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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity vs. Universal Acceleration

« on: December 16, 2013, 08:51:08 PM »

These alleged gravity space missions were not controlled, either.

Please elaborate.  What do you mean by "not controlled"?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Should Mods Be Held to Higher Standard

« on: December 16, 2013, 08:36:45 PM »

Who moderates the admins? Well I haven't a solution to that. That's kind of the point of the Zetetic council. To stop any individual becoming unaccountable.

Does that mean that mods and/or admins should be excluded from the Zetetic Council so as to prevent a conflict of interest in this regard?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon shrimp data

« on: December 14, 2013, 09:55:52 PM »

A cheating chess champion is a fraud for life. It simply does not matter if he now claims to have won a chess championship match behind closed doors.

His reputation was ruined when he decided to cheat. A fraud is a fraud, and there is no erasing that fact.

Tom, rather than derailing this thread with completely irrelevant chess analogies, why don't you try discussing the topic at hand; namely, what sort of tasty recipes do you suppose that the Chinese will come up with for all of those moon shrimp that they are surely looking to harvest?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Moon shrimp data

« on: December 14, 2013, 04:02:04 PM »

Did you expect the paparazzi to be there to photograph the landing or something?
Also: http://english.cntv.cn/special/lunarmission/index.shtml

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Thread for talking about council nominations.

« on: December 13, 2013, 09:28:07 PM »

How about the first election be for a provisional council with a 6 month term and then when the duties and responsibilities become better defined, you can have long term council elections.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 13, 2013, 02:34:37 PM »

I think that you are using a creative definition for the word "technology".  As I have clearly shown, liquid fuel rocket engine technology is available to the public.  Of course the specific components vary depending on the fuel/oxidizer combination and the overall size of the engine, but the fundamental technology itself is essentially the same from a small reaction control thruster to to the mighty F-1B.  Generally, the biggest obstacle to building liquid fuel rockets is the actual manufacturing of the engine components, which requires some pretty high precision tools.

Gasoline and car engines are available to the public. However, this does not imply that you can take a consumer car engine, 'scale up', and achieve 400mph or 800mph. Your theory that all engines are the same and it was only a matter of NASA 'scaling up' is absurd. As requirements grow to achieve escape velocity, and as fuel and chassis weight increases, it becomes a substantially different situation requiring a substantially different technology.

There are plenty of internal combustion powered cars that can achieve over 400mph.  The theory behind engines is the same.  The Technology differs. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel-driven_land_speed_record

I am glad you agree. It is not the same technology.

Technology differs = Different Technology

if you look at the second on the list (the goldenrod) you'll note it IS exactly the same technology.

4 Chrysler hemi V8 engines, naturally aspirated, 409mph.

But what of the fastest on the list powered with the turbine? If this highly intelligent argument of "it's all the same, just scale up" works so well then what is stopping the Goldenrod from simply adding more engines until it broke the the land and air records for fastest vehicle on earth?

Tom, this is getting way off topic.  Let's try getting back to why you think that SpaceX wouldn't be able to (or allowed to) design and build their Merlin rocket engines from scratch.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is Islam a radical religion or is everyone else wrong?

« on: December 13, 2013, 02:48:57 AM »

Laws are arbitrary.

All laws are codified revenge.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 12, 2013, 08:10:02 PM »

I think that you are using a creative definition for the word "technology".  As I have clearly shown, liquid fuel rocket engine technology is available to the public.  Of course the specific components vary depending on the fuel/oxidizer combination and the overall size of the engine, but the fundamental technology itself is essentially the same from a small reaction control thruster to to the mighty F-1B.  Generally, the biggest obstacle to building liquid fuel rockets is the actual manufacturing of the engine components, which requires some pretty high precision tools.

Gasoline and car engines are available to the public. However, this does not imply that you can take a consumer car engine, 'scale up', and achieve 400mph or 800mph. Your theory that all engines are the same and it was only a matter of NASA 'scaling up' is absurd. As requirements grow to achieve escape velocity, and as fuel and chassis weight increases, it becomes a substantially different situation requiring a substantially different technology.

I'm sorry Tom, but I'm having a hard time figuring out just how your objections are relevant to this discussion.  Are you saying that NASA is the only organization that knows how to develop large rocket engines?  There are at least a dozen companies that make rocket engines for the aerospace industry, including SpaceX. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 12, 2013, 02:55:28 PM »

Military airspace starts at 65,000 feet.

Citation please.

The plans for NASA's specific rockets are kept confidential yes, but then are the plans for pretty much all commercial craft, that doesn't mean other people can't build planes, helicopters or rockets. You just can't build the governments specific rockets (unless you can somehow reverse engineer one).

See Markjo's post above. Rockets past a certain thrust power are regulated.

Also note that regulated does not necessarily mean secret.

I did not say that liquid fuel technology was secret.

A gasoline powered drilling machine which could drill through the earth and send a nuke to china would be a government secret. Inferior gasoline engines are not. The fact that the public has access to both gasoline and lesser drilling machines which could drill sewers and subway terminals is inconsequential. It is not the same technology.

I think that you are using a creative definition for the word "technology".  As I have clearly shown, liquid fuel rocket engine technology is available to the public.  Of course the specific components vary depending on the fuel/oxidizer combination and the overall size of the engine, but the fundamental technology itself is essentially the same from a small reaction control thruster to to the mighty F-1B.  Generally, the biggest obstacle to building liquid fuel rockets is the actual manufacturing of the engine components, which requires some pretty high precision tools.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: BREAKING: Cooling system fails on the space station.

« on: December 12, 2013, 01:31:37 PM »

Is it a coincidence NASA's budget is currently under assault by Congress?

Not really.  NASA's budget has been under assault by Congress since the end of Apollo. 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: lynx space camp

« on: December 12, 2013, 01:30:26 PM »

Alas, I doubt they'll go high enough to make any zetetic observations.

Isn't any personal observation zetetic?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch

« on: December 11, 2013, 01:28:44 AM »

The blueprints for the custom development of the Saturn V rocket engine are not available to the public, locked away as a state secret.

This is incorrect.  The blueprints for the Saturn V are not available because they were destroyed during a routine NASA housecleaning (though I imagine that explanation will seem like part of the conspiracy to some).  With all of the advances in technology since the late '60's, you wouldn't really want to duplicate one anyways.

Actually, since the retirement of the shuttle, NASA has taken another look at the Saturn V in general and the F-1 and J-2 rocket engines in particular.  Currently they're working on further developing and upgrading them to the F-1B and J-2X designs for future launch systems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocketdyne_F-1#F-1B_booster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-2X

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Perfectly flat bridge vs round earth

« on: December 10, 2013, 04:27:58 PM »

ITT: An REer just admitted to bendy light.

Sorry, but RET's atmospheric refraction is not the same as FET's bendy light.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Hosting earth not a globe

« on: December 09, 2013, 08:47:51 PM »

http://library.tfes.org/library/samuel_rowbotham_-_earth_not_a_globe.pdf

Can you post the link on the home page? Just for ease of finding ENaG link. Also this other link is not a PDF, shorter download time, and easier to use.
            http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm

Honestly I'd rather have something liek that, but the guys are so busy, its not a priority.

If you're going to do something like that, then perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea (as a long term project) to host as much FE literature as you can find in a FE Library section.  I'm sure Daniel wouldn't mind if someone rips off grabs a copy of some of his collection.

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Announcements / Re: Our new homepage is now live

« on: December 09, 2013, 02:31:01 PM »

Just a suggestion, but you might want to change the link behind the FES logo to go to the home page as well.  The home button should be sufficient to get back to the forum home.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The British Empire brought civilisation.

« on: December 09, 2013, 12:09:53 AM »

Funny how we get flack for both dividing India/Pakistan down religious lines and NOT dividing Africa among tribal ones.

Make your minds up people.

Well, if you could learn how do draw borders that make sense, then maybe you wouldn't get so much flack.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox users are bricking their consoles

« on: December 08, 2013, 11:59:10 PM »

I don't know why posting something like that isn't illegal. It causes people millions of dollars of damage each year.

I don't know about that.  It sounds like a good way to stimulate the console repair industry.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Zetetic Council

« on: December 08, 2013, 11:36:48 PM »

I never said that this site is terrible.  I'm just want to make sure that you figure out how serious you want this new society to be and where you want it to fit in the grand scheme of flat earth-kind.  Is there going to be any serious FET research and discussion or is it just going to be another site to troll angry noobs?  If the former, then great.  If the latter, then what's the point?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Zetetic Council

« on: December 08, 2013, 10:59:13 PM »

He is the self-proclaimed king of a forum that no one ever visits, Markjo.

Irrelevant.  For some strange reason, you keep thinking that the FES forum is the sum total of the Flat Earth Society.  I have no idea where you got that silly notion.

well there is a wiki ... which we host, FE library ... which we are building, Twitter ... we have that, G+ ... yup. We don't have a podcast once a year or a book that isn't finished but I think we've all the other bases covered.

Tell me, what else is it that Daniel does that is so valuable and unique that only he can do it (or not do it as is his preference)?

I never said that Daniel does anything unique.  I'm just saying that he is the one that brought the FES back to life.  As I recall, Wilmore and John Davis have their own FESes as well.  If you want this to be another FES, then that's fine.  Just don't claim that this is the one and only FES and don't dismiss Daniel's place in FES history.  After all, if it wasn't for Daniel, then there wouldn't be any FES for you to splinter from.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Zetetic Council

« on: December 08, 2013, 10:39:20 PM »

He is the self-proclaimed king of a forum that no one ever visits, Markjo.

Irrelevant.  For some strange reason, you keep thinking that the FES forum is the sum total of the Flat Earth Society.  I have no idea where you got that silly notion.