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Its no surprise that you think that when someone is right they are wrong and vice versa. I mean you think the earth is flat.
And you think e-mails can't be spoofed. Now that we've dealt with random irrelevant crap, would you like to substantiate your point, or are you done?

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You're a fool.
rofl

ITT: rottingroom is wrong again, doesn't know how to handle it again.

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Hangouts is on iPhone and Android and you can use it from any computer. It also has hangout video chats which allows up to 10 people to all be videochatting at the same time. The videochat functionality uses Web RTC too which means that nobody has to install any software for it to work.
So, in what way is it a more appropriate text messaging platform than XMPP?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Scottish Independence
« on: July 30, 2014, 12:04:12 AM »
Scotland are the 14th richest country in the economic bloc, seems like a sound basis for economic independence.
Everything I've read sounds like they have a stable economy.
Yes, because they're not independent, and because they're using the Pound Sterling. That would be all fantastic if we were not discussing Scottish independence; but we are.

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21606869-independent-scotland-would-be-rich-country-terrible-prospects-costly-solitude
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21590592-new-report-finances-north-border-headache-nationalists-scotch-rocks
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21596935-battle-scotland-has-come-turn-dispute-over-currencywhich-unionists-are

This is the exact same argument that Texas is making now and then. Just because Texas/Scotland is doing well in the union which helps it out doesn't mean it can suddenly break off and expect anything other than an economic crisis (or, in Texas's case, probably a war).

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Scottish Independence
« on: July 29, 2014, 01:15:02 PM »
It's a start. God forbid, they make their own currency at some point in the future.
You don't get it, do you? It's not a start because they have no practical way of robbing England of enough notes to maintain a healthy circulation. That's precisely why they need their own currency from the get-go, and for that they need a sustainable economy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Nuclear power
« on: July 29, 2014, 04:52:39 AM »
20% seems like a pretty good chunk of the grid to me.
But France is at something crazy like 75%. You can't be worse than France, c'mon.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Nuclear power
« on: July 29, 2014, 12:31:53 AM »
I think you're confusing the layman's fear of nuclear power with nuclear R&D. I don't know if you've noticed, but nearly every engineering and science college/university on Earth has a nuclear department.
Doesn't matter, it's still being hindered. Businesses who donate towards, fund, or are in any way involved with nuclear research are often listed as "unethical" by groups like Corporate Critic, thus scaring customers away from these businesses, thus discouraging the businesses from investing.

I had a bit argument about that with my union - they enlisted Ethical Consumer to help decide which products they should and shouldn't stock in their shop/food outlets. The big problem with that is that people rarely look into the details - each business is allocated a score which determines how "ethical" or "unethical" it is. Having anything to do with things like nuclear power or GMO, even for medical use makes your business unethical and avoided by some.

Now, sure, I don't know the exact impact of this issue. I've witnessed it in action, so perhaps I'm blowing it out of proportion. Nonetheless, there definitely is an amount of pointless hindrance caused to R&D simply because laymen are scared of what they don't understand.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: July 28, 2014, 09:28:09 PM »
Well, that's not really our remit.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: July 28, 2014, 07:18:48 PM »
I've no idea why you are so keen to give up a site that YOU run, and put your efforts into a site that SOMEONE ELSE runs.
What, exactly, makes you think that someone else would be running the reunified site? We haven't even settled that yet.

I've also no idea why I have to be civil to someone who isn't a member here. Obama doesn't post here. Do I have to be polite about him too?
You have to be civil, full stop. Especially in this thread, because it's important.

Its not our side that needs a reunification
We already went through the reasons for a reunification. You're welcome to re-read them. You will also recall that a potential reunification was relatively high on our priority list since day 1. Besides, the idea was met with overwhelming support from the community here. Even if we don't need it, it's clear that people want it.

Ban me, don't ban me. The threat of a ban has never stopped me posting what I like before.
It's not what you say, it's how you say it. This is why you've been asked to be civil, rather than to stop opposing reunification. Act your age, that's all.

I don't think Daniel should run the society. He doesn't put anything into it. The society doesn't need him. It just needs him out of the way. Why should everyone run around making FES as good as possible so that Daniel can do nothing and say what a great society he runs?
Your opinion has been noted. Granted, it contradicts facts, but it has been noted. The facts are that Daniel is active less often than not, and that's a problem we hope to address with a more robust power structure (Daniel+ZC, probably). When active, Daniel contributes a lot, in ways none of us ever have (just look at the library for a quick example - this isn't stuff that was easily available before he made it so). Yes, there are problems with how FES is run, and reunification on good terms is exactly the way to tackle that.

We left because of Daniel. No other reason. We came here because it is Danieless. I don't want more Daniel in my life.
Please speak for yourself, not for others. Judging by the general responses in this thread, most people don't have much of an issue with Daniel, but simply with the way things were organised.

And my loathing of John Davis is no secret. He won't lose any sleep over it.
There you go, you're making progress. You expressed the same sentiment as before while remaining reasonably civil.

I still haven't been given a reason why merging the sites would be good for users.
You have, you simply don't like those reasons. And that's fine, we'll take it into account during the democratic vote.

If I wanted to post there, I'd have an account there. Its not a disaster to have to post on two sites. I don't because I have no interest in the old guard.
That's why we're not considering restoring the old guard. Have you even read Daniel's PM that I quoted here?

I also prefer the rules here. Are we going back to fearing the 'n-word' etc? Of course we would be. Daniel isn't going to be moved on that.
No, our proposal is to use our rules as the foundation, with the potential for a few minor tweaks. Banning the word "nigger" would be a dealbreaker for me, and as far as I know, for Parsifal too.

This is a thread for posting opinions on reunification. You might not like them, you might not find them constructive
I don't find them constructive, because you do exactly the same thing that Round Earthers do when they come to our site(s). They make up their own version of FET and then attack it. The things you're saying suggest that, in your mind, the reunification would be their site annexing us back on the old terms. That will not happen.

The concerns you're raising have already been put on the "to do" list before you raised them. You've been informed of that, but you're still shouting. This simply doesn't help anyone, including yourself.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 28, 2014, 05:17:01 PM »
Yes it will be slower by some number of ms but with a fast enough connection, it isn't too noticeable.  I mean, its not like keyboard/mouse input data requires a lot of bandwidth.  And that data only goes one way.
Bandwidth is not what you need here, it's latency.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: July 28, 2014, 05:07:29 PM »
Holy shit, Parsifal snapped.

Anyway, I see your point, Thork, and I share some of your concerns. This is why we're taking our time to talk things through and make sure that these sort of problems won't come up. I told Daniel that I'm a bit concerned about preserving the mentality and atmosphere we've built here, and so far he's been very receptive and open to change.

We haven't actually discussed how mods/admins for the merged site would be chosen yet, but in Daniel's original PM he said that he wouldn't mind just carrying on with our current team. Trust me, no one (Daniel included) wants to see the return of the status quo where people constantly complained and no one quite knew how to address these complaints. We're trying to work out a solution that lets us bring the positives together while weeding out the negatives.

While Parsifal's tone may be a bit OTT, I have to agree with him. You're not being civil. You're attacking whoever you can, whenever you can, just to get yet another stab at the concept of reunification. Please keep in mind that if by the end of our talks the general userbase is not happy to proceed with reunification, we won't proceed. We'll either restart talks or just scrap the idea altogether.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: July 27, 2014, 10:39:54 PM »
So in the interest of transparency, are we going to get to see the PM? It effects everyone, right? Its not like you'd secretly negotiate without informing everyone what you are saying, would you?
As explained previously, this conversation is mostly about personalities and our goals. Since Daniel and the two of us have a history of clashes, we need to sort those out before we do anything. That doesn't directly affect you as it's not an organisational or political matter, but rather a personal one. Then there are technical details.

To remind you: Wilmore suggested that we should have this chat before we do anything, I objected and said that we first need to have consultation with tfes.org's community first to figure out what everyone needs. He agreed, and we've done that. Now it's time for addressing any potential personality issues. After that's done, and we've hammered out the general terms of reunification based on the consultation we've had before, we will open it for comments, amend as necessary, and put it to a vote. Please see my previous response to you here:

If large factions of this site end up not happy with the terms and conditions, we simply won't go back.
That is our position as well. We will not implement a solution that is not popular with a vast majority of the userbase. The way I see it, this general idea has gathered a lot of support and not that much dissent, so it could potentially work out. Once we have a more concrete policy sketched, we'll open it for comments, and if we reach a point where it doesn't seem like much more needs changing, we'll put it to a vote. That should hopefully address most concerns and stop any such large factions from forming.

and Parsifal's explanation here:

It's been quite some time, and the overwhelming consensus seems to be a "yes" vote to reunification. I'll post a proper announcement in Announcements when I'm not on my phone, but just so you're aware, we'll be discussing the details with Daniel directly. As has always been the policy on this forum, the community will be consulted on any matters amounting to more than technical details.

Now, while it hurts a bit that you'd seriously accuse us of doing negotiation behind people's backs, I'll humour you. Here's what Daniel said:

Ok, I'm back home now.

I'm not sure how the technical side of integrating the two forums will work but I'm assuming it's possible.  I'm fine with moving the admin/moderation team over as is.  I'd like to remain as an admin on the forums but primarily as a just-in-case measure.  As you might have noticed by now, my approach to forums administration is pretty hands-off.  You'll do a much better job of managing the community, so I'm fine with keeping out of the way there.

The Joomla front page is working well and should remain as is.  As you know, the Library expanded greatly a couple months ago and there's much more to come in the near future.  I'm happy to add content that tfes.org people (or anyone with an interest in Flat Earth Theory, really) wants to contribute.  That could be blog posts, news articles or projects like the annotated Zetetic Astronomy.  The more content we have, the better it is for the Society.

Not sure what to do about the Wiki.  I updated the theflatearthsociety Wiki to the latest version of TikiWiki and moved all of the old articles over.  I don't know how the content there differs from the version you have on here now.

I think Wilmore is planning on emailing everyone so we can discuss the details more privately.  Probably better to hammer out the details there.

Please don't do this again, Thork. We're working pretty hard to make good things happen, and your attempts at spreading dissent are just tactless. You've had your say during consultation, and you'll have your say before and during the final vote. If at any point a subject that's not a personal or petty technical issue, people will also be consulted.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: July 27, 2014, 07:14:00 PM »
Daniel PM'd us on the 23rd of July. Relax, guys. There's no point in rushing this - we want to do this right.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / MH17 (aka MH370) is a false flag
« on: July 27, 2014, 04:39:50 PM »
http://worldtruth.tv/mh-17-was-in-fact-the-lost-flight-mh-370/

The two planes are one and the same, and the Conspiracy is trying to turn us against our Russian brothers. Don't be fooled!

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 27, 2014, 04:19:10 PM »
Most of this is solved with input prediction subroutines anyway.
Which can only be used if you have a computer capable of doing that. In Andrew's hypothetical scenario, you wouldn't have that luxury.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Nuclear power
« on: July 27, 2014, 03:07:54 AM »
Thorium breeder reactors result in U-233 that can't be used in bombs and has a half-life of 68 years. Compare that to conventional reactors in the US that produces waste U-236 that has a half-life of 15 to 20 million years. The difference isn't something to be saying "eh, they're all the same thing anyway."
True, but the fact that we're panically afraid of nuclear power hinders research which could get us to Thorium reactors or something better that we don't know of yet.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 27, 2014, 02:55:22 AM »
I don't get it. If you're aiming for shit tier performance, why not just get a console? Gaming PCs are for surpassing console performance, not matching it.
One reason could be that it lets you do more than gaming.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: July 27, 2014, 01:47:03 AM »
Is this conversation going to progress soon?
Well, this conversation has basically reached its conclusion: there is a vast support for re-uniting. We're now working out the details and seeing if a sensible solution can be reached. If it can, it'll probably take a while to implement because we want to do things right.

If we're reuniting, we intend for no posts to be lost anyway, so there's no need for urgency. This site (and presumably the old site) will continue to operate as normal until we're either ready to merge the fora or we conclude that it can't be done.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification
« on: July 27, 2014, 12:07:47 AM »
We don't need Daniel Palpatine.[...]
I was hoping this wouldn't be necessary, but...

Guys, can we please not set up new accounts to weigh in in this thread? Well, unless you're a regular from the old site that never migrated here, in which case please identify yourself. If you want to make an anonymous remark, feel free to pass it on to me and I'll post it here without revealing your identities.

A half-assed investigation suggests you have an account with 23 posts on the old site registered about 3 months ago, and you've registered here just now. Generously assuming that you're not just an alt enthusiast, I'm not sure how genuine your sentiments in this post can be.

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Secret words: matches, tunnel
Those aren't very secret if you just slam them down like this. At least use the [spoiler] tag :(

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