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Re: Trump
« Reply #10440 on: May 17, 2023, 02:27:57 PM »
I think the biggest takeaway from the lawsuit are Trump's poll numbers. I don't think this lawsuit actually changed anyone's mind. Either you liked Trump before it or you didn't. Anyone fence sitting at this point probably doesn't like either candidate regardless.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

Yeah, but anything like this manufactured sexual abuse scandal keeps Trump relevant and the circus going. And makes people who like him like him more and people who hate him hate him more (in other words - even more emotional investment in Trump by the public), etc.

All about hypnosis if you ask me.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #10441 on: May 17, 2023, 09:03:13 PM »
No, I didn't say that it "ought to have been higher", just that it seems unreasonably low TO ME.
Often times in cases like this, the monetary judgement is almost completely irrelevant.  That a jury found Trump liable for wrongdoing is the significant part.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10442 on: May 17, 2023, 09:12:20 PM »
No, I didn't say that it "ought to have been higher", just that it seems unreasonably low TO ME.
Often times in cases like this, the monetary judgement is almost completely irrelevant.  That a jury found Trump liable for wrongdoing is the significant part.

Yes, because look at the headlines now...

The social engineers are really preparing America for civil war with Trump vs. Biden 2024 it seems. At the very least it's going to be a shitshow.

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« Reply #10443 on: May 18, 2023, 06:22:08 PM »
If Trump wins the nomination then I wonder who he will choose as his running mate. His supporters tried to hang Pence, so I think we can be reasonably certain he won't be the choice for 2024.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #10444 on: May 18, 2023, 09:21:48 PM »
If Trump wins the nomination then I wonder who he will choose as his running mate. His supporters tried to hang Pence, so I think we can be reasonably certain he won't be the choice for 2024.
He'll choose one of his kids.  Easy to control. And they've already been in the white house.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10445 on: May 18, 2023, 09:46:29 PM »
If Trump wins the nomination then I wonder who he will choose as his running mate. His supporters tried to hang Pence, so I think we can be reasonably certain he won't be the choice for 2024.
He'll choose one of his kids.  Easy to control. And they've already been in the white house.

Don't count out MTG. That chick is sharp, she's going places.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10446 on: May 18, 2023, 10:28:35 PM »
If Trump wins the nomination then I wonder who he will choose as his running mate. His supporters tried to hang Pence, so I think we can be reasonably certain he won't be the choice for 2024.
He'll choose one of his kids.  Easy to control. And they've already been in the white house.

Don't count out MTG. That chick is sharp, she's going places.
Nah.  She's too useful on the senate floor.  Plus, Trump would hate having someone whose just as media noted as him.  He'd have to fight for the insanity spotlight daily with MTG.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10447 on: May 19, 2023, 12:58:40 PM »

Yes, because look at the headlines now...

The social engineers are really preparing America for civil war with Trump vs. Biden 2024 it seems. At the very least it's going to be a shitshow.

The social engineers are in your head.

We have Trump, Bill Barr, Steven Bannon, Roger Stone and a bunch of the other human sewage on tape discussing the fact that they could lose the election. They came up with this plan (lie) to tell everyone that the voting machines were tampered with. They would have Trump call the election officials in Georgia and lean on them to falsify paperwork then have Pence refuse to acknowledge the election results. Roger Stone and the Proud Boys would call the radical freak army to attack the capitol and seize power. Fox Broadcasting would provide TV support for the lie and Russia would provide support through the social media. The Republican party is collaborating with a national adversary to subvert our democracy.
It's all documented but since no one in the U.S. reads, they have no clue what's happening.

And just to save time having to listen to the usual conservative bullshit...
I don't watch CNN so shut up about that.
I've supported Republicans all my life.
I've seen Russian cyber-handiwork up close.

The Republican party is divided between corrupt shitheads who know the story but they're ok with it and the ignorant shitheads who don't know the story. They are supporting Russia's expansion in Europe because Russia will support them in the next election.
The Republicans want to be Russia. They want to be able to incarcerate homosexuals, they want to ban books, they want to establish a government church and state media. Trump's first year in office he tried to federalize our election data like elections in Russia.

Every person of any quality has been run out of the Republican party. I will never vote for another Republican traitor for the rest of my life.



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Re: Trump
« Reply #10448 on: May 19, 2023, 07:10:17 PM »

Yes, because look at the headlines now...

The social engineers are really preparing America for civil war with Trump vs. Biden 2024 it seems. At the very least it's going to be a shitshow.

The social engineers are in your head.

Yes. All in my head. ;D



Didn't bother to read the rest of your rant, sorry!

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Re: Trump
« Reply #10449 on: May 19, 2023, 11:26:28 PM »
Yes. All in my head. ;D



Didn't bother to read the rest of your rant, sorry!

That was an excellent compilation of the voices in your head.
We know that you get all your info from the one true media, YouTube.

Idiots with no exposure to the real world will always be susceptible to the bullshit from people like Fox Broadcasting, small network owners like Sinclair, freaks like Alex Jones and an entire menagerie of YouTube quacks. It all targets people who don't read.

Didn't bother to read the rest of your rant, sorry!

tl:dr
Trump and his movement are a traitorous bunch of shit working to turn our country into part of the new Soviet Union that Russia wants to create. They do this in exchange for part of the power. It's all happening in front of our faces but people who don't bother to read are too busy surfing YouTube.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10450 on: May 20, 2023, 12:51:29 AM »
It's remarkable how often I see conservatives and MAGA types share that clip as a jab at the supposed liberal media establishment, apparently not realizing that it was a conservative media organization that was pushing a conservative agenda. Elon Musk himself tried to frame it that way about a month ago.

On the notion of Trump's VP, it won't be MTG (who is in the House btw, not the Senate) or his kids. Beyond the fact that, like Dave pointed out, Trump wouldn't want anyone getting the attention that he views as rightfully his, what would be the point of it strategically? Nobody who wasn't already going to vote for Trump beforehand will be persuaded by a mini-Trump joining the ticket. As for needing someone he can control, well, I think the fact that Mike Pence's presidential aspirations were utterly destroyed and his political career was reduced to a footnote in the space of a single afternoon after he failed to play along with Trump's efforts to overturn the election are all the control Trump needs. It'll almost certainly be another be traditional Republican in an effort to make Trump more palatable to non-MAGA conservatives, and no matter how outwardly respectable they might be, we can be sure that they won't repeat Pence's mistake. No matter what outrageous, illegal, or dangerous stunt Trump tries to pull, they'll back him all the way, and so will the rest of the party.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10451 on: May 20, 2023, 02:24:54 AM »
On the notion of Trump's VP,

It's surprising how many Republican politicians Trump publicly sodomized that still suck up to him. He has plenty of options from penisless weasels like Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnell. Big ol Chris Christie might come rushing back if they started tossing his name about. The rats fleeing the sinking ship will come rushing back for a good job.

He's got a fresh crop of extremist freak options other than MTG floating around the House. Boebert, Hawley. etc... Maybe an old classic like Sarah Palin...
Trumpian voters gonna be Trumpian voters.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10452 on: May 20, 2023, 07:56:39 AM »
It's remarkable how often I see conservatives and MAGA types share that clip as a jab at the supposed liberal media establishment, apparently not realizing that it was a conservative media organization that was pushing a conservative agenda. Elon Musk himself tried to frame it that way about a month ago.

Me? I know it's hard for you to believe, but I'm not a "conservative or MAGA type". Nice strawman attempt, though.

Yes. All in my head. ;D



Didn't bother to read the rest of your rant, sorry!

That was an excellent compilation of the voices in your head.
We know that you get all your info from the one true media, YouTube.

Idiots with no exposure to the real world will always be susceptible to the bullshit from people like Fox Broadcasting, small network owners like Sinclair, freaks like Alex Jones and an entire menagerie of YouTube quacks. It all targets people who don't read.

That's a nice argument (not really). If only it was true. Another poor strawman attempt from a reality denying troll.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10453 on: May 20, 2023, 09:25:33 AM »
It's remarkable how often I see conservatives and MAGA types share that clip as a jab at the supposed liberal media establishment, apparently not realizing that it was a conservative media organization that was pushing a conservative agenda. Elon Musk himself tried to frame it that way about a month ago.

On the notion of Trump's VP, it won't be MTG (who is in the House btw, not the Senate) or his kids. Beyond the fact that, like Dave pointed out, Trump wouldn't want anyone getting the attention that he views as rightfully his, what would be the point of it strategically? Nobody who wasn't already going to vote for Trump beforehand will be persuaded by a mini-Trump joining the ticket. As for needing someone he can control, well, I think the fact Mike Pence's presidential aspirations were utterly destroyed and his political career was reduced to a footnote in the space of a single afternoon after he failed to play along with Trump's efforts to overturn the election are all the control Trump needs. It'll almost certainly be another be traditional Republican in an effort to make Trump more palatable to non-MAGA conservatives, and no matter how outwardly respectable they might be, we can be sure that they won't repeat Pence's mistake. No matter what outrageous, illegal, or dangerous stunt Trump tries to pull, they'll back him all the way, and so will the rest of the party.

I'm actually curious who'd agree to do it.  Like, after Pence, anyone who take that kind of risk?  Trump has thrown EVERYONE under the bus.  His AGs, his press secrataries, his VP, etc...
Plus he has little chance of winning.

Who would be dumb enough to destroy their political career just to fail at being VP?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10454 on: May 20, 2023, 12:13:07 PM »
Who would be dumb enough to destroy their political career just to fail at being VP?

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We are proud to announce,
Donald Trump's running mate and the next GOP Vice President of the United States!

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Re: Trump
« Reply #10455 on: May 20, 2023, 03:48:04 PM »
Plus he has little chance of winning.
That's what we thought in 2016.  If there is one thing that we've learned from history is that we never learn from history.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10456 on: May 20, 2023, 04:44:52 PM »
Plus he has little chance of winning.
That's what we thought in 2016.  If there is one thing that we've learned from history is that we never learn from history.
One would think that after his actions after the election he lost he’d basically be unelectable. But people are famously idiots and I’m starting to worry he could get in again, especially if the alternative is Biden again :(
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10457 on: May 20, 2023, 05:07:36 PM »
While it's still too early to take polls seriously, the fact that Biden is currently neck and neck with Trump in general election polls shows that he does in fact stand a chance of winning. The absolute biggest mistake Democrats can make in 2024 is the one they made in 2016: that the Democrat winning the election is a foregone conclusion. The absolute certainty of Trump being unelectable is what made him electable.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #10458 on: May 20, 2023, 05:18:37 PM »
While it's still too early to take polls seriously, the fact that Biden is currently neck and neck with Trump in general election polls shows that he does in fact stand a chance of winning. The absolute biggest mistake Democrats can make in 2024 is the one they made in 2016: that the Democrat winning the election is a foregone conclusion. The absolute certainty of Trump being unelectable is what made him electable.

I'm sorry.... What?  Neck and neck?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #10459 on: May 20, 2023, 05:51:10 PM »
While it's still too early to take polls seriously, the fact that Biden is currently neck and neck with Trump in general election polls shows that he does in fact stand a chance of winning. The absolute biggest mistake Democrats can make in 2024 is the one they made in 2016: that the Democrat winning the election is a foregone conclusion. The absolute certainty of Trump being unelectable is what made him electable.

I'm sorry.... What?  Neck and neck?

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html
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