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« Reply #9740 on: July 27, 2022, 11:28:51 AM »
"Navigate around walls...", "Not a straight path"???  A child can't walk 10 feet down a hall, take a right, walk 20 feet,  take a left and walk 10 feet?

The child would know that he did not walk a straight path.

So what? Children can’t navigate anything but a straight path? I don’t even know what you are talking about. Your basically saying humans can’t get anywhere unless it’s a straight path. God forbid a human has to attempt to navigate down a hall and make a turn down another hall. Obviously just too overwhelming for humans.

There are clearly walls in the way that would have to be navigated around, with potentially locked doors.

Yes, the building clearly has walls. I guess it’s impossible for lawmakers to actually get to the chambers from their offices because there are so many walls in the way. ???

You have failed to make your case that there were no walls between the protestors and Pence, or that the Capitol building is a building entirely without doors.

Yes, there are walls in the building. There are also hallways and corridors that seemingly allow humans to move about the building without bumping into walls.

Yes, the building has doors too! And magically the mobs broke through barricaded doors and smashed through windows to get in. Doors be damned.
And they did so to interior doors as well. That Bobbit woman who got shot was climbing through a smashed window in a barricaded locked door leading to the hall to the house chamber. Locked doors didn’t seem to be an issue for the rioters, now did they?

More fun facts about doors. So they smashed through barricaded, locked doors and windows to get inside. Then smashed through barricaded locked doors and windows to get deeper inside the capital. And they smashed through barricaded and locked doors to get into the house & senate chambers as well as many offices. 

If there was a locked door somewhere between the rioters and 40’ away VPOTUS, would that door magically possess the ability to thwart the rioters unlike all of the other smashed doors penetrated to get inside and continued to do so to make it all the way into the chambers?

Oh yeah, so maybe the only doors in the capitol were between pence and the rioters. And obviously impenetrable unlike all the other breached doors in the building.

What a ridiculous argument of yours.

To recap:

- Insurrectionist rioters got within 40’ of pence, you know, the VP of the US at the time
- Chants of “Pence is a traitor” could be heard by lawmakers
- The rioters were just a hallway, take a right, down a hallway, take a left away from your VP
- Doors and windows didn’t seem to be a problem for the rioters to get through anywhere else in the capitol. If there even was a door between Pence and the rioters, why was that door so special, unlike all the other breached ones?
- You are wrong: McConnell was the Senate Sgt of Arms boss at the time and asked for his resignation - Schumer said he would fire the guy as soon as he became his boss after innauguration:
On the same day, Mitch McConnell, the outgoing Senate Majority Leader, asked for and received Stenger's resignation, effective immediately

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Re: Trump
« Reply #9741 on: July 27, 2022, 11:31:48 AM »
Why are you arguing with Tom?  He knows damn well there were locked doors and one person got shot climbing through one after the window was broken.  So he also knows they were useless.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

Re: Trump
« Reply #9742 on: July 27, 2022, 11:37:49 AM »
Why are you arguing with Tom?
This is always an excellent question.
Tom's argument is now reduced to "if you draw a straight line between the rioters and Pence then that line intersects walls".
I mean, that's true but humans tend to travel down the straight paths in between the walls, I believe they are called corridors.
And when a corridor ends they turn the corners.
It's clear trolling and not worth engaging with further.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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Re: Trump
« Reply #9743 on: July 27, 2022, 12:05:47 PM »
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So what? Children can’t navigate anything but a straight path? I don’t even know what you are talking about. Your basically saying humans can’t get anywhere unless it’s a straight path. God forbid a human has to attempt to navigate down a hall and make a turn down another hall. Obviously just too overwhelming for humans.

I clearly was pointing out that there were always walls and doors between the protestors and Pence. Pence was not out in the open to the protestors. Your fiction that the protestors just needed to do this and that and get to Pence is fallacious, as Pence was always behind walls and doors, and kept purposely so.

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That Bobbit woman who got shot was climbing through a smashed window in a barricaded locked door leading to the hall to the house chamber. Locked doors didn’t seem to be an issue for the rioters, now did they?

Do you even bother reading what you write? You wrote a sentence and immediately contradicted yourself in the next. The door obviously did create an issue for them. An unarmed woman was shot trying to circumvent the barrier. No one climbed through the barrier after that. It provided a squeeze point which contained the protestors.

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Yes, there are walls in the building. There are also hallways and corridors that seemingly allow humans to move about the building without bumping into walls.

Yes, the building has doors too! And magically the mobs broke through barricaded doors and smashed through windows to get in. Doors be damned.

Wrong. You just pointed out to us how they did not get through any door.

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More fun facts about doors. So they smashed through barricaded, locked doors and windows to get inside. Then smashed through barricaded locked doors and windows to get deeper inside the capital. And they smashed through barricaded and locked doors to get into the house & senate chambers as well as many offices.

Again, wrong. They were not able to get anywhere. They couldn't get through the barricade that Ashley Babbit tried going through. They had a problem finding or getting to the legislators.

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- Doors and windows didn’t seem to be a problem for the rioters to get through anywhere else in the capitol. If there even was a door between Pence and the rioters, why was that door so special, unlike all the other breached ones?

Again, wrong. The protestors were not able to breach the Ashley Babbit door.

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- Insurrectionist rioters got within 40’ of pence, you know, the VP of the US at the time
- Chants of “Pence is a traitor” could be heard by lawmakers
- The rioters were just a hallway, take a right, down a hallway, take a left away from your VP

All irrelevant if they cannot get through any door and the security inside the building was able to avoid or repel protestors.

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- You are wrong: McConnell was the Senate Sgt of Arms boss at the time and asked for his resignation - Schumer said he would fire the guy as soon as he became his boss after innauguration:

McConnell asking for his resignation does not mean that McConnell alone was in charge of security tactics and security decisions. That is a terrible deduction, and obviously incorrect. There was clearly a wider group deciding these things than just McConnell.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9744 on: July 27, 2022, 12:12:24 PM »
Nary a wall nor a door along a simple straight path.
Here, you claimed the path you marked out was a "straight," path.



It is not a straight path.

Thank you for clearly demonstrating your complete lack of credibility.
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #9745 on: July 27, 2022, 01:06:51 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
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« Reply #9746 on: July 27, 2022, 02:07:14 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
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« Reply #9747 on: July 27, 2022, 03:56:38 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
 
Why?  That's the legislature's job.  Look it up, meat puppet.
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« Reply #9748 on: July 27, 2022, 03:58:54 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
 
Why?  That's the legislature's job.  Look it up, meat puppet.
The legislature does define fake electors.

Post appearance.

You cannot cook up fake electors prior to appearance.

Thanks for the fake news, sock puppet.
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« Reply #9749 on: July 27, 2022, 04:03:21 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
 
Why?  That's the legislature's job.  Look it up, meat puppet.
The legislature does define fake electors.

Post appearance.

You cannot cook up fake electors prior to appearance.

Thanks for the fake news, sock puppet.

Are you claiming the DOJ is not investigating Trump for attempting to appoint fake electors?
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« Reply #9750 on: July 27, 2022, 04:13:42 PM »
The emails between folks in the Trump campaign clearly use the term when describing their scheme.

from https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/26/us/politics/trump-fake-electors-emails.html
“We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,” Jack Wilenchik, a Phoenix-based lawyer who helped organize the pro-Trump electors in Arizona, wrote in a Dec. 8, 2020, email to Boris Epshteyn, a strategic adviser for the Trump campaign.
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« Reply #9751 on: July 27, 2022, 05:40:52 PM »
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So what? Children can’t navigate anything but a straight path? I don’t even know what you are talking about. Your basically saying humans can’t get anywhere unless it’s a straight path. God forbid a human has to attempt to navigate down a hall and make a turn down another hall. Obviously just too overwhelming for humans.

I clearly was pointing out that there were always walls and doors between the protestors and Pence. Pence was not out in the open to the protestors. Your fiction that the protestors just needed to do this and that and get to Pence is fallacious, as Pence was always behind walls and doors, and kept purposely so.

Your insane fiction is that humans don't know how to "navigate walls" and walk down corridors and can only move in straight lines. Miraculously, rioters were able to navigate some walls and smashed their way through locked & barricaded doors to get all the way into the House and Senate chambers and offices. The rioters must have been super human to have navigated all those walls.

Your insane fiction is that the insurrectionists were somehow easily thwarted by locked & barricaded doors. When they smashed their way through locked & barricaded doors to get in and smashed their way through locked & barricaded doors to get all the way into the House & Senate chambers and offices.

Clearly walls & locked & barricaded doors weren't that much of an issue.

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That Bobbit woman who got shot was climbing through a smashed window in a barricaded locked door leading to the hall to the house chamber. Locked doors didn’t seem to be an issue for the rioters, now did they?

Do you even bother reading what you write? You wrote a sentence and immediately contradicted yourself in the next. The door obviously did create an issue for them. An unarmed woman was shot trying to circumvent the barrier. No one climbed through the barrier after that. It provided a squeeze point which contained the protestors.

The door did not create an issue for them, as they breached many other doors. The issue that thwarted the effort to breach that one door was that a guard shot and killed someone trying. Pretty obvious.

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Yes, there are walls in the building. There are also hallways and corridors that seemingly allow humans to move about the building without bumping into walls.

Yes, the building has doors too! And magically the mobs broke through barricaded doors and smashed through windows to get in. Doors be damned.

Wrong. You just pointed out to us how they did not get through any door.

No, I specifically pointed out that they breached many a barricaded and locked door. How do you get me saying that they didn't breach any door when I clearly wrote this:

"Yes, the building has doors too! And magically the mobs broke through barricaded doors and smashed through windows to get in. Doors be damned.
And they did so to interior doors as well. That Bobbit woman who got shot was climbing through a smashed window in a barricaded locked door leading to the hall to the house chamber. Locked doors didn’t seem to be an issue for the rioters, now did they?
"

AND

"So they smashed through barricaded, locked doors and windows to get inside. Then smashed through barricaded locked doors and windows to get deeper inside the capital. And they smashed through barricaded and locked doors to get into the house & senate chambers as well as many offices."

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More fun facts about doors. So they smashed through barricaded, locked doors and windows to get inside. Then smashed through barricaded locked doors and windows to get deeper inside the capital. And they smashed through barricaded and locked doors to get into the house & senate chambers as well as many offices.

Again, wrong. They were not able to get anywhere. They couldn't get through the barricade that Ashley Babbit tried going through. They had a problem finding or getting to the legislators.

That was over on the House side, not the Senate side where Pence was. And they eventually did smash through barricaded and locked doors and got into the House chamber and offices, even Pelosi's.

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- Doors and windows didn’t seem to be a problem for the rioters to get through anywhere else in the capitol. If there even was a door between Pence and the rioters, why was that door so special, unlike all the other breached ones?

Again, wrong. The protestors were not able to breach the Ashley Babbit door.

Yeah, because a rioter was gunned down trying to. But they got through a bunch of barricaded and locked doors, all the way into the House chamber. One door they couldn't get through because of a good guy with a gun. They got through plenty of others, obviously.

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- Insurrectionist rioters got within 40’ of pence, you know, the VP of the US at the time
- Chants of “Pence is a traitor” could be heard by lawmakers
- The rioters were just a hallway, take a right, down a hallway, take a left away from your VP

All irrelevant if they cannot get through any door and the security inside the building was able to avoid or repel protestors.

Are you high? They smashed their way all the way through barricaded and locked doors to get all the way into both chambers and a bunch of offices. How do you suppose the rioters got here - By navigating walls and smashing through barricaded and locked doors...




Rioters in Pelosi's office:




Senate chamber dais where Pence sat:




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- You are wrong: McConnell was the Senate Sgt of Arms boss at the time and asked for his resignation - Schumer said he would fire the guy as soon as he became his boss after innauguration:

McConnell asking for his resignation does not mean that McConnell alone was in charge of security tactics and security decisions. That is a terrible deduction, and obviously incorrect. There was clearly a wider group deciding these things than just McConnell.

I never said that McConnell was in charge of security tactics and security decisions. "You wrote:

His request went up the chain and was denied by the Senate Sergeant of Arms and the House Senate at Arms, who report to Pelosi and Schumer:

AND

the House and Senate Sergeant at Arms – both of whom report to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democrat Leader Chuck Schumer, respectively.

When in reality, the Senate Senate Sergeant at Arms reported to McConnell & the House Sergeant at Arms reported to Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader & Speaker of the House, respectively. You are wrong.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) forced out Senate sergeant-at-arms Michael Stenger one day after rioters breached the Capitol, the GOP leader announced Thursday night.

“Today I requested and received the resignation of Michael Stenger, the Senate Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper, effective immediately,” McConnell said in a statement.

Even if McConnell hadn’t asked for Stenger’s resignation, his days in his position were numbered after Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) vowed to fire him if hadn’t resigned by the time Democrats take control of the majority on Jan. 20.


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Re: Trump
« Reply #9752 on: July 27, 2022, 06:16:01 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
 
Why?  That's the legislature's job.  Look it up, meat puppet.
The legislature does define fake electors.

Post appearance.

You cannot cook up fake electors prior to appearance.

Thanks for the fake news, sock puppet.

Are you claiming the DOJ is not investigating Trump for attempting to appoint fake electors?
Why do you think I am claiming that?

I can go to the Capitol and claim I am an elector.

Anyone can appoint electors.

It doesn't mean they will be recognized.

Just because they are not recognized, doesn't mean they are fake.

So, it is another nothing burger story designed to fill idle space.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9753 on: July 27, 2022, 06:33:31 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
 
Why?  That's the legislature's job.  Look it up, meat puppet.
The legislature does define fake electors.

Post appearance.

You cannot cook up fake electors prior to appearance.

Thanks for the fake news, sock puppet.

Are you claiming the DOJ is not investigating Trump for attempting to appoint fake electors?
Why do you think I am claiming that?

I can go to the Capitol and claim I am an elector.

Anyone can appoint electors.

It doesn't mean they will be recognized.

Just because they are not recognized, doesn't mean they are fake.

So, it is another nothing burger story designed to fill idle space.

Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #9754 on: July 27, 2022, 06:39:26 PM »
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
 
Why?  That's the legislature's job.  Look it up, meat puppet.
The legislature does define fake electors.

Post appearance.

You cannot cook up fake electors prior to appearance.

Thanks for the fake news, sock puppet.

Are you claiming the DOJ is not investigating Trump for attempting to appoint fake electors?
Why do you think I am claiming that?

Because you said I was spreading fake news when I was talking about the DOJ investigation. If that wasn’t fake news then you are tilting at windmills.

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I can go to the Capitol and claim I am an elector.

Anyone can appoint electors.

It doesn't mean they will be recognized.

Just because they are not recognized, doesn't mean they are fake.

It’s incredible that you have to pretend to be an idiot to try and own the libs.

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So, it is another nothing burger story designed to fill idle space.

The incumbent trying to defraud the election process is nothing to you. Glad to hear it.
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« Reply #9755 on: July 27, 2022, 06:51:55 PM »
Just curious.. how would YOU define a fake elector if you claiming to be an elector when you aren't doesn't make you a fake elector.
There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

There is such a thing as an elector that is not recognized.
Trump is officially under criminal investigation by the DOJ for trying to create fake electors and steal the 2020 election.  Its a very neat self-fulfilling prophecy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-justice-department-probing-trumps-efforts-overturn-election-wash-post-2022-07-27/
Define "fake electors."
 
Why?  That's the legislature's job.  Look it up, meat puppet.
The legislature does define fake electors.

Post appearance.

You cannot cook up fake electors prior to appearance.

Thanks for the fake news, sock puppet.

Are you claiming the DOJ is not investigating Trump for attempting to appoint fake electors?
Why do you think I am claiming that?

Because you said I was spreading fake news when I was talking about the DOJ investigation. If that wasn’t fake news then you are tilting at windmills.
It is fake news.

There is no such thing as a fake elector.

It’s incredible that you have to pretend to be an idiot to try and own the libs.
Someone in the thread needs to pretend to be an idiot.

That would be me.

As opposed to the natural state of others.
The incumbent trying to defraud the election process is nothing to you. Glad to hear it.
Wait, now you're claiming fraud?

LOL!!!
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« Reply #9756 on: July 27, 2022, 07:00:31 PM »
The building wasn’t empty, evacuated yet...

There was just ‘40 feet between the vice president and the mob’ on Jan. 6, Aguilar says

“Approximately 40 feet. That’s all there was, 40 feet between the vice president and the mob,” said Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-Redlands). “Make no mistake about the fact that the vice president’s life was in danger.

Video footage from the Jan. 6 insurrection displayed during the hearing showed the mob chanting “Hang Mike Pence,” as they stormed the Capitol. Another rioter yelled into a camera, “You f—ing politicians are gonna get dragged through the streets.




Anyone can see that there are several walls there between Pence and the protestors. The fact is that nothing happened to Pence and his security detail succeeded.

Exactly.

I mean... attempted murder.  Really?  Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?

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« Reply #9757 on: July 27, 2022, 07:04:32 PM »
Someone in the thread needs to pretend to be an idiot.

That would be me.

As opposed to the natural state of others.

You should refrain from personal attacks. We’d hate for you to get banned again.

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The incumbent trying to defraud the election process is nothing to you. Glad to hear it.
Wait, now you're claiming fraud?

LOL!!!

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« Reply #9758 on: July 27, 2022, 07:05:31 PM »
There is no such thing as a "fake," elector.

In emails reviewed by The New York Times and authenticated by people who had worked with the Trump campaign at the time, one lawyer involved in the detailed discussions repeatedly used the word “fake” to refer to the so-called electors, who were intended to provide Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Trump’s allies in Congress a rationale for derailing the congressional process of certifying the outcome. And lawyers working on the proposal made clear they knew that the pro-Trump electors they were putting forward might not hold up to legal scrutiny.

“We would just be sending in ‘fake’ electoral votes to Pence so that ‘someone’ in Congress can make an objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that the ‘fake’ votes should be counted,” Jack Wilenchik, a Phoenix-based lawyer who helped organize the pro-Trump electors in Arizona, wrote in a Dec. 8, 2020, email to Boris Epshteyn, a strategic adviser for the Trump campaign.

In a follow-up email, Mr. Wilenchik wrote that “‘alternative’ votes is probably a better term than ‘fake’ votes,” adding a smiley face emoji.

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« Reply #9759 on: July 27, 2022, 07:06:12 PM »
Someone in the thread needs to pretend to be an idiot.

That would be me.

As opposed to the natural state of others.

You should refrain from personal attacks. We’d hate for you to get banned again.
Yeah, we know you won't be banned for calling me a "pretend idiot," right?

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The incumbent trying to defraud the election process is nothing to you. Glad to hear it.
Wait, now you're claiming fraud?

LOL!!!

Ohmegerd!
Is english your second language?
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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