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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #80 on: May 06, 2015, 02:47:53 AM »
Like I said. Feel free. I am particularly interested to hear what comes up @ Edinburgh. Now I'm still waiting for proof that G-d doesn't exist. Since I've been asked to prove a negative, I expect every atheist here to do likewise.

What you were really asked to prove is that you have done the research you claimed to have done.


Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #81 on: May 06, 2015, 03:33:22 AM »
Like I said. Feel free. I am particularly interested to hear what comes up @ Edinburgh. Now I'm still waiting for proof that G-d doesn't exist. Since I've been asked to prove a negative, I expect every atheist here to do likewise.

If you want to debate whether or not one can prove a negative, I started a thread on that.  Proving a negative is simple and noncontroversial.

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=979.0
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #82 on: May 06, 2015, 05:06:07 AM »
It will just prove that he called himself a doctor

Have you got any references whatsoever that he called himself a doctor or was listed as an MD????

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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #83 on: May 06, 2015, 06:17:05 AM »
It will just prove that he called himself a doctor

Have you got any references whatsoever that he called himself a doctor or was listed as an MD????

I've been over that. He was listed as one in the patent office. During his lifetime. Which makes him a liar.

Like I said. Feel free. I am particularly interested to hear what comes up @ Edinburgh. Now I'm still waiting for proof that G-d doesn't exist. Since I've been asked to prove a negative, I expect every atheist here to do likewise.

If you want to debate whether or not one can prove a negative, I started a thread on that.  Proving a negative is simple and noncontroversial.

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=979.0

Then I assume that you are prepared to to prove to me that G-d does not exist?

Like I said. Feel free. I am particularly interested to hear what comes up @ Edinburgh. Now I'm still waiting for proof that G-d doesn't exist. Since I've been asked to prove a negative, I expect every atheist here to do likewise.

What you were really asked to prove is that you have done the research you claimed to have done.

Why am I expected to keep files from a year or more ago. Does anybody else?

Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #84 on: May 06, 2015, 07:54:15 AM »
It will just prove that he called himself a doctor

Have you got any references whatsoever that he called himself a doctor or was listed as an MD????

I've been over that. He was listed as one in the patent office. During his lifetime. Which makes him a liar.

Do you have any references at all for this additional claim and the other claims I asked you about earlier???
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #85 on: May 06, 2015, 09:36:31 AM »
Like I said. Feel free. I am particularly interested to hear what comes up @ Edinburgh. Now I'm still waiting for proof that G-d doesn't exist.
Please refrain from off-topic posting. If you'd like to discuss the subject of (dis)proving unfalsifiable hypotheses, the place to do that would be PR&S.
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #86 on: May 06, 2015, 09:40:18 AM »
It will just prove that he called himself a doctor

Have you got any references whatsoever that he called himself a doctor or was listed as an MD????

I've been over that. He was listed as one in the patent office. During his lifetime. Which makes him a liar.

Do you have any references at all for this additional claim and the other claims I asked you about earlier???

"Following a scandal at the commune, where Parallax [Samuel Birley Rowbotham] and others had been unfairly accused of sponsoring 'the traffic in human flesh' and participating in free love, he reinvented himself as an itinerant socialist lecturer and then as 'Dr. Birley Ph.D.", practising in Manchester, Sheffield and other northern towns. When it came to medical research, Parallax's major interest was in investigating ways to make mankind immortal,..." Garwood, Christine. Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea

"In 1861 Rowbotham was married for a second time to the 16-year old daughter of his laundress and settled in London, producing 14 children, of whom 4 survived. He was also alleged to be using the name "Dr. Samuel Birley", living in a beautiful 12-roomed house selling the secrets for prolonging human life and curing every disease imaginable.[4] De Morgan refers to him as S. Goulden.[1] He patented a number of inventions including a 'life-preserving cylindrical railway carriage'. Wikipedia Entry for Samuel Rowbotham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham

Trying to cure every disease imaginable? Allowing "MD" to be put on your tombstone? Sounds like a huckster to me.

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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #87 on: May 06, 2015, 09:42:45 AM »
So you're saying that him putting "MD" on his tombstone is evidence of him not being an MD?

That's some solid logic there, Yaakov. I'm on board.
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #88 on: May 06, 2015, 10:09:15 AM »
It will just prove that he called himself a doctor

Have you got any references whatsoever that he called himself a doctor or was listed as an MD????

I've been over that. He was listed as one in the patent office. During his lifetime. Which makes him a liar.

Do you have any references at all for this additional claim and the other claims I asked you about earlier???

"Following a scandal at the commune, where Parallax [Samuel Birley Rowbotham] and others had been unfairly accused of sponsoring 'the traffic in human flesh' and participating in free love, he reinvented himself as an itinerant socialist lecturer and then as 'Dr. Birley Ph.D.", practising in Manchester, Sheffield and other northern towns. When it came to medical research, Parallax's major interest was in investigating ways to make mankind immortal,..." Garwood, Christine. Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea

"In 1861 Rowbotham was married for a second time to the 16-year old daughter of his laundress and settled in London, producing 14 children, of whom 4 survived. He was also alleged to be using the name "Dr. Samuel Birley", living in a beautiful 12-roomed house selling the secrets for prolonging human life and curing every disease imaginable.[4] De Morgan refers to him as S. Goulden.[1] He patented a number of inventions including a 'life-preserving cylindrical railway carriage'. Wikipedia Entry for Samuel Rowbotham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham

Trying to cure every disease imaginable? Allowing "MD" to be put on your tombstone? Sounds like a huckster to me.

I was hoping you might be able to produce something of substance rather than what amounts to hearsay.

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« Reply #89 on: May 06, 2015, 10:34:59 AM »
It will just prove that he called himself a doctor

Have you got any references whatsoever that he called himself a doctor or was listed as an MD????

I've been over that. He was listed as one in the patent office. During his lifetime. Which makes him a liar.

Do you have any references at all for this additional claim and the other claims I asked you about earlier???

"Following a scandal at the commune, where Parallax [Samuel Birley Rowbotham] and others had been unfairly accused of sponsoring 'the traffic in human flesh' and participating in free love, he reinvented himself as an itinerant socialist lecturer and then as 'Dr. Birley Ph.D.", practising in Manchester, Sheffield and other northern towns. When it came to medical research, Parallax's major interest was in investigating ways to make mankind immortal,..." Garwood, Christine. Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea

"In 1861 Rowbotham was married for a second time to the 16-year old daughter of his laundress and settled in London, producing 14 children, of whom 4 survived. He was also alleged to be using the name "Dr. Samuel Birley", living in a beautiful 12-roomed house selling the secrets for prolonging human life and curing every disease imaginable.[4] De Morgan refers to him as S. Goulden.[1] He patented a number of inventions including a 'life-preserving cylindrical railway carriage'. Wikipedia Entry for Samuel Rowbotham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham

Trying to cure every disease imaginable? Allowing "MD" to be put on your tombstone? Sounds like a huckster to me.

I was hoping you might be able to produce something of substance rather than what amounts to hearsay.

Most people of reason would qualify the above to be something of substance. The fact that you do not is indicative of the fact that you seem to have a personal problem.

So you're saying that him putting "MD" on his tombstone is evidence of him not being an MD?

That's some solid logic there, Yaakov. I'm on board.

No. What I said is that, when you combine that with the fact that there is no record of him actually having a medical degree, it indicates that he is a liar. And given that he was reported to be "selling the secrets for prolonging human life and curing every disease imaginable", that further indicates that he was a fraud, liar, and huckster of the first order. AKA, as we would say in my favourite bar, an all around sack of shit.
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2015, 12:27:16 PM »
No. What I said is that, when you combine that with the fact that there is no record of him actually having a medical degree, it indicates that he is a liar.
But you said evidence of him having a medical qualification would "change nothing". Make up your mind, please.

And given that he was reported to be "selling the secrets for prolonging human life and curing every disease imaginable", that further indicates that he was a fraud, liar, and huckster of the first order.
Sorry, allow me to respond to that with a quote of your own regarding things which "have been reported". I'll have to twist it a bit, but I trust you'll see my point:

A newspaper article does not qualify. If it does, I'll have one written, & then I expect you all to support me by being my new clients.

A book does not qualify, because everyone can write one. If it does, I'll have one written, etc. etc.
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2015, 12:56:30 PM »
Most people of reason would qualify the above to be something of substance. The fact that you do not is indicative of the fact that you seem to have a personal problem.

I was not the person who seems to have invented the fact Rowbotham was 'listed as a MD'

Was there ever a list in your mind when you said that?
 

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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #92 on: May 07, 2015, 02:10:00 AM »
No. What I said is that, when you combine that with the fact that there is no record of him actually having a medical degree, it indicates that he is a liar.
But you said evidence of him having a medical qualification would "change nothing". Make up your mind, please.

And given that he was reported to be "selling the secrets for prolonging human life and curing every disease imaginable", that further indicates that he was a fraud, liar, and huckster of the first order.
Sorry, allow me to respond to that with a quote of your own regarding things which "have been reported". I'll have to twist it a bit, but I trust you'll see my point:

A newspaper article does not qualify. If it does, I'll have one written, & then I expect you all to support me by being my new clients.

A book does not qualify, because everyone can write one. If it does, I'll have one written, etc. etc.

Except that books are generally well researched. Newspaper articles can be written by ANYONE. I am amazed by how actually slow you are being. If you were being any slower, you'd be moving backward, Dude!


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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #93 on: May 07, 2015, 02:18:42 AM »
Except that books are generally well researched.
I'm certain the Harry Potter books were very well researched, as was the Koran.

Newspaper articles can be written by ANYONE.
That is also true about books. But hey, I'll take you up on that one.

Hey, Yaakov, according to Joshua Planetstein's recent book, Rowbotham was an MD. It even says so in the title.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/joshua-planetstein/the-earth-is-flat-and-rowbotham-was-an-md/hardcover/product-22161717.html

I mean, it's in the book, so that means it was well-researched, and is therefore true.

I am amazed by how actually slow you are being. If you were being any slower, you'd be moving backward, Dude!
No, no, no, Yaakov. You're doing the thing where you're resorting to personal insults in the upper fora. Don't do the thing.
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2015, 11:37:30 AM »
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No, no, no, Yaakov. You're doing the thing where you're resorting to personal insults in the upper fora. Don't do the thing.

It wasn't intended to be an insult. More a personal observation, but point well taken.

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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2015, 12:24:28 PM »
I am amazed by how actually slow you are being. If you were being any slower, you'd be moving backward, Dude!
He isn't being slow, he's being difficult.
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #96 on: May 07, 2015, 01:48:54 PM »
I am amazed by how actually slow you are being. If you were being any slower, you'd be moving backward, Dude!
He isn't being slow, he's being difficult.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #97 on: May 07, 2015, 03:23:26 PM »
I am amazed by how actually slow you are being. If you were being any slower, you'd be moving backward, Dude!
He isn't being slow, he's being difficult.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
Most firefighters find that water tends to be far more effective.
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #98 on: May 08, 2015, 06:34:13 PM »
Most firefighters find that water tends to be far more effective.
I think you'll find that's very situational. Also, could you do me a favour and take a glance at your avatar?
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Re: The qualifications of Rowbotham as a problem for REers accepting FET
« Reply #99 on: May 08, 2015, 08:18:01 PM »
Also, could you do me a favour and take a glance at your avatar?
I know, I know.  The animated version is so much better.  :(
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