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America's healthcare isn't broken....
« on: December 12, 2021, 05:23:16 PM »
... American society is.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-10/column-healthcare-billing-markups

Long story short:
Hospitals need to mark up prices by insane amounts to ensure insurance comapnies actually pay the cost of the item/service and to cover the cost of people with no insurance who can't pay.

This is what America wants.  This is what they chose.  That is why I don't think the system is broken.  The system is working exactly as Americans want it to.  The strong and financially stable get help but the weak and financially unstable are financially destroyed or killed.

And that, my friends, is the way America wants it.
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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2021, 05:35:21 PM »
I mean, Donald Trump, Creationism, COVID vaccine denial... Yeah, by and large Americans are ignorant morons.  :(
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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2021, 07:39:28 PM »
... American society is.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-10/column-healthcare-billing-markups

Long story short:
Hospitals need to mark up prices by insane amounts to ensure insurance comapnies actually pay the cost of the item/service and to cover the cost of people with no insurance who can't pay.

This is what America wants.  This is what they chose.  That is why I don't think the system is broken.  The system is working exactly as Americans want it to.  The strong and financially stable get help but the weak and financially unstable are financially destroyed or killed.

And that, my friends, is the way America wants it.
No, that is the way the criminal syndicate of Bush and Clinton wanted it.

Prior to that family seizing power in the US, I paid not one red cent for any of my Healthcare. My insurance was full coverage. Every person who had any sort of factory job was in the same position - little to no premium for the coverage and at least 80/20 coverage for medical expenses, including prescriptions.

Get your story straight and stop posting lies.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2021, 08:03:31 PM by Action80 »
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2021, 09:29:43 PM »
Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2021, 09:55:52 PM »
Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2021, 10:05:27 PM by Action80 »
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2021, 10:45:08 PM »
Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.

You're so cute that you thought corporations ever cared about you.
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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2021, 10:51:03 PM »
Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.

What measures were put in place (passed) by the Clinton and/or Bush administrations that changed US healthcare for the worse? All I remember is Hilary trying to get some healthcare reform passed but it failed.

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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2021, 11:01:00 PM »
Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.

You're so cute that you thought corporations ever cared about you.
As if government does  uh?
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2021, 11:01:43 PM »
Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.

You're so cute that you thought corporations ever cared about you.
As if government does  uh?

I never said that.
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It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

"I hate the police so I'm gonna burn a Walgreen's!"


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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2021, 09:48:40 AM »
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2021, 10:37:44 AM »
America is shit on many levels. Nothing new there. Who cares who broke it at the end of the day. It is what it is.

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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2021, 03:35:06 PM »
America is shit on many levels. Nothing new there. Who cares who broke it at the end of the day. It is what it is.

Shit
^Written by a citizen of a shithole country that will place its own members of its legislature in quarantine, even if said member tests NEGATIVE!

FUCK AUSTRALIA and every single person that lives there.
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2021, 03:48:41 PM »
^Written by a citizen of a shithole country that will place its own members of its legislature in quarantine, even if said member tests NEGATIVE!

FUCK AUSTRALIA and every single person that lives there.

Is there any country,  person or anything that isn't approved by Fox news that you don't curse with vile anger?

What about the island nation of Palau? How about gummy bears? Chocolate milk? Is there absolutely anything in your world that doesn't suck and piss you off?
I imagine it is a short list.
My hate for you and everything you stand for is so much deeper than the depths of Shambala that you could probably take the entire Lungmen population down there and back up around twenty million times before you would have sunk to the end of my hate.



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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2021, 03:54:21 PM »
^Written by a citizen of a shithole country that will place its own members of its legislature in quarantine, even if said member tests NEGATIVE!

FUCK AUSTRALIA and every single person that lives there.

Is there any country,  person or anything that isn't approved by Fox news that you don't curse with vile anger?

What about the island nation of Palau? How about gummy bears? Chocolate milk? Is there absolutely anything in your world that doesn't suck and piss you off?
I imagine it is a short list.

I think he is just upset that a supposedly first world country is incapable of managing this pandemic.
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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2021, 06:21:27 PM »
... American society is.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-10/column-healthcare-billing-markups

Long story short:
Hospitals need to mark up prices by insane amounts to ensure insurance comapnies actually pay the cost of the item/service and to cover the cost of people with no insurance who can't pay.

This is what America wants.  This is what they chose.  That is why I don't think the system is broken.  The system is working exactly as Americans want it to.  The strong and financially stable get help but the weak and financially unstable are financially destroyed or killed.

And that, my friends, is the way America wants it.
No, that is the way the criminal syndicate of Bush and Clinton wanted it.

Prior to that family seizing power in the US, I paid not one red cent for any of my Healthcare. My insurance was full coverage. Every person who had any sort of factory job was in the same position - little to no premium for the coverage and at least 80/20 coverage for medical expenses, including prescriptions.

Get your story straight and stop posting lies.
Well, I suppose when you're a kid you wouldn't pay anything.


I find it funny how you praise paying nothing for healthcare.  Healthcare isn't free.  Someone paid for it.  And guess who that was?  Employers.
You were enjoying someone else's profit like a communist.  Fortunately companies wised up and began buying cheaper insurance that included co-pays and deductables while also taking health care out of your salary.


I mean, you still had a lifetime limit, of course.  God forbid you cost the insurance company money. Lol.
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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2021, 06:30:21 PM »
If anyone feels that an insurance company is raking in the bucks, big time, then why not just buy their stock and take your share of the profits?  The same could go to any corporation that is involved in the health care industry.  Most are large corporations with stock on sale in public markets that anyone can buy. 
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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2021, 07:16:01 PM »
If anyone feels that an insurance company is raking in the bucks, big time, then why not just buy their stock and take your share of the profits?  The same could go to any corporation that is involved in the health care industry.  Most are large corporations with stock on sale in public markets that anyone can buy.

Because you are not legally allowed to just 'buy stocks'.  You need to have a certification to trade(or use a broker) and even then its a pain in the ass.  Plus taxes.
Plus some of these shares are in the hundreds.  It'll take decades to get your money's worth.

Example: anthem.  Current worth: $430/ share.  Had you purchased it a year ago, you'd be about $100 less poor per share. But still $300 in debt from buying the share.
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Re: America's healthcare isn't broken....
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2021, 07:23:33 PM »
Somehow, I figured out how to buy & sell stocks when I was just 21 years old and didn’t have much money.  These days it’s a whole lot easier.  There are many online stockbrokers and once you have an account you can buy & sell using your computer.  I’ve been doing it for many decades.  You need to restrict your stock purchases to those ‘greedy’ companies who, in your opinion, are really screwing their customers and are racking in the money.  What could go wrong with that strategy?   
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