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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2014, 07:01:36 PM »
Please get out.

the 1st edition of ENaG was the 16 page version. It was peer reviewed.

First of all, simply being read to the RAS does not constitute peer review by the RAS.

Secondly, I found this at the Open Library, but they don't seem to have an on line version.
https://openlibrary.org/books/OL2456422M/Zetetic_astronomy?v=3
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2014, 07:21:23 PM »
Thanks for the link Markjo.  :-*

I couldn't find a direct reference anywhere.

If anyone knows where the newspaper report is, I think I'm in a great place to get back to him.

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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2014, 07:56:06 PM »
Thork, I tried going through the order process and it seems that it isn't currently available.  The Library of Congress seems to have a similar reading room setup, but on microfilm only.  I wonder if one of the local college libraries might be able to help me get a reprint.
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2014, 07:58:28 PM »
I will try to apply for an inter-library loan. Getting stuff from the British Library should be doable.

EDIT: I've placed a request. Fingers crossed.

EDIT2: Ah, that's in their General Reference Collection. Almost guaranteed that my request will be denied.
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« Last Edit: August 15, 2014, 08:15:31 PM by Gulliver »
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2014, 08:18:41 PM »
No, Gulliver, that's the 329-page edition. You skimmed over the quote from Sacred Texts, saw "16-page" and got excited.
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2014, 08:28:39 PM »
No, Gulliver, that's the 329-page edition. You skimmed over the quote from Sacred Texts, saw "16-page" and got excited.
Sorry. I trusted Open Library. Here's the link to OL's page about the 16-page version. https://openlibrary.org/books/OL2456422M/Zetetic_astronomy?v=3
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2014, 08:48:46 PM »
Thank you for the OL link again. It wasn't good enough when it was just markjo posting it. I requested a quote from the Library of Congress to see how much a digitised PDF would cost. Their pricing page suggests about $40, so if they confirm that I'll get it and add it to our library.
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2014, 08:54:38 PM »
Thank you for the OL link. I requested a quote from the Library of Congress to see how much a digitised PDF would cost. Their pricing page suggests about $40, so if they confirm that I'll get it and add it to our library.
You should also turn to Garwood pp. 62-64 where she explains what the 16-page brochure was, probably. (If your copy hasn't arrived, I'd be willing to message you the most relevant paragraph.
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2014, 09:10:26 PM »
These pages don't seem to indicate anything about the pamphlet (a difference between editions, maybe?), but I've read/digitised some of Rowbotham's pamphlets before. I think I more or less know what to expect. The reason I'm interested in pursuing getting a copy is mostly for future reference. After all, we're supposed to collect and share Flat Earth-related resources.
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2014, 10:12:35 PM »
These pages don't seem to indicate anything about the pamphlet (a difference between editions, maybe?), but I've read/digitised some of Rowbotham's pamphlets before. I think I more or less know what to expect. The reason I'm interested in pursuing getting a copy is mostly for future reference. After all, we're supposed to collect and share Flat Earth-related resources.
I highlighted the most relevant passage:

That title of the brochure/pamphlet makes the RAS presentation.

Yeah.  I still think my position is likely.
Just to clarify, the presentation was of only 16 pages.

Quote from: http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/SciRefGuides/flatearth.html
[Rowbotham, Samuel B.] Zetetic astronomy. A description of several experiments which prove that the surface of the sea is a perfect plane, and that the earth is not a globe. Being the substance of a paper read before the Royal Astronomical Society on the evening of Dec. 8, 1848. By ‘Parallax' [pseud.] Birmingham, W. Cornish, 1849. 16 p. illus.
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2014, 10:57:01 PM »
Oh, I did see that line. I assumed you were talking about something more significant.
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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2014, 11:43:24 AM »
Ok PP, Gulliver is at least trying to help now. He just doesn't know as much about it as we do.

Gulliver's referenced pamplets (Garwood) are part of a regular newspaper that was produced by Rowbotham (and later the flat earth society - John Hampden carried on after Rowbotham's death and Lady Blount after that).

What we are looking for is the 1st Edition of his book Earth Not a Globe. The first edition was 16 pages, the next 230 odd and then 430 if memory serves me. Editions 2 and 3 are widely available online. I've never seen a first edition. I have seen extracts of it as people quote from it, but never in entirety. Because it is a forerunner for edition 2 which I had read, I just assumed all the info would be the same. Of course thinking about it, edition 2 had a chunk about the suez canal and I don't think that's in edition 3, so edition 1 probably also has unique features. Anyway, because his first edition was in pamphlet form, its easy to understand the confusion.

Thank you for the OL link again. It wasn't good enough when it was just markjo posting it. I requested a quote from the Library of Congress to see how much a digitised PDF would cost. Their pricing page suggests about $40, so if they confirm that I'll get it and add it to our library.
That would be incredibly generous and a real asset. But if its available no where on the net, who better to have it than the flat earth society?


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Re: What arguments have to say that the earth is flat?
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2014, 04:59:02 PM »
I requested a quote from the Library of Congress to see how much a digitised PDF would cost. Their pricing page suggests about $40, so if they confirm that I'll get it and add it to our library.
For the record, this still ongoing - apparently the LoC have a huge backlog of processing requests so it took some time before they could take mine. Apparently, this has now been completed, so once my payment clears, I should have the PDF!

EDIT: I now have the scans and am putting together an accessible PDF. Meanwhile, enjoy the title page:

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