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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 07:34:33 PM »
I guess you are right, but he should admit that there are some valid reasons for abortion even in his mind.
No, he won't. He is literally a troll.

To listen to some in this thread safe abortion enables slutty behavior.  That has to be the most ridiculously misogynistic concept I have ever heard.

Next thing is they will want to eliminate all forms of contraceptives.
Yes. He is a misogynistic troll.

Meeting him halfway to get him to admit to something he never will is just losing the argument that abortion shouldn't be banned for any specific reasons other than time limits. You don't need to engage with him on his level, it just gives him the attention to keep going.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 06:53:14 PM »
We could go on and on but perhaps you could respond to those 3.
Why? Why proceed with an argument based on the idea that all women should only have sex within a marriage and only require an abortion for some medical emergency or rape? Stop giving Troll Bishop any wiggle room with a stupid premise.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 06:40:04 PM »
Yes, because no woman has ever, in the history of humanity, told her suiters that she was waiting until marriage.
Hmm, well are you arguing that all women should act like brain-washed, controlled, prudes or that we should have higher standards? You can only pick one because having higher standards does not equal being the virgin Mary. Or admit that you're a sexist troll and move on.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 03:58:52 PM »
It does not matter if it occurred or not. The point is clearly that women can just get higher standards or opt for marriage.
One is not a connoisseur at birth. Only with a solid knowledge base and experience can one develop impeccable taste.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: August 05, 2022, 07:20:29 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians
« on: August 05, 2022, 12:48:42 AM »
haha I've never seen one of those shirts before. It doesn't surprise me, but it's not as prevalent as you guys are making it seem.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians
« on: August 04, 2022, 08:59:50 PM »
Yeaah, I don't think we single handedly won the war either and I went to school in the south. I mostly learned that we were assholes until it directly affected us.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: August 04, 2022, 06:09:02 PM »
I always forget about this thread.

Elvis was the first movie I've seen in theaters since the pandemic. It was good and fun and sad. Austin Butler clearly put in a lot of effort to sound like Elvis. His speaking voice consistently impressed me. On the flip side of that, Richard Roxburgh was a weird choice for Vernon, he could have worked on his American accent a bit more.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: August 01, 2022, 03:17:57 PM »

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: July 28, 2022, 02:53:50 PM »
The first thing I thought of when I saw that video yesterday was how he's come so far. This one is from 2013.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 27, 2022, 03:52:38 PM »
How do you think bananas are checked out at grocers? There is a serial number or scan scode attached to the item.
There is a general code for bananas. The cashier manually enters that code and weighs the bananas or enters how many bananas there are depending on the system.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 19, 2022, 01:39:26 AM »
That is so terrifying.

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It's such a stupid suggestion anyway, so it really does not bother me.

It is interesting to note, though, that the two people that condone suggesting a stranger on the internet commit a mass murder/suicide are religious.

And they think atheists lack a moral compass.   ::) Fuck me.
Are you counting me one of those people?
Tom’s suggestion was ridiculous.

It was along the lines of “if you don’t believe jumping off high buildings could harm you or other people then push someone off the Empire State Building and then jump off yourself”.

No one is going to take that seriously or do an experiment like that.
OK but, seems a tad risky to assume the people on the illustrious tfesdotorg are 100% stable and would never commit violence. Probably they won't, but why say something so gross for a nonsense debate tactic?

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His suggestion can’t be taken seriously. It’s a stupid thought experiment. Do you condemn Schrodinger for animal cruelty?
Schrodinger didn't tell people to go kill cats. Also, maybe you can stretch your imagination a bit here, but school shootings are a horrible reality of living in the United States so we're a bit sensitive to jokes or bad faith arguments referencing them.

For the record, I'm with Gary. It's a gross thing to say but not worthy of discipline. Just Tom making a bad argument because he's bad at debate.

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Demanding that you can see "hard evidence" for something spiritual or the work of something spiritual might involve a suggestion which involves death, so it shouldn't be surprising that it came up.
In that case, it's very weird how telling someone to kill themselves never once came up in my study of world religions course at uni.

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it's obviously not a good-faith argument

Actually, it is. If someone is jumping up and down saying that there is no way to get evidence for religion, the argument I provided, while extreme, successfully shows that statement to be incorrect.
And then they could come back and relay their findings to you on this forum, yeah? Not sure good debates typically involve suggesting suicide for obvious reasons.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 14, 2022, 04:44:41 PM »
I clearly was not talking about ten year old girls there. What is clear, however, is that the use of an extreme example of underage rape to justify the personal irresponsibility of adult women shows that you guys have lost the argument.
I don't really get why some people only allow abortions in cases of rape/incest and not in other situations. If you do see it as murdering a child then it makes sense why it would be illegal in all hard cases, but if you allow the hard cases to be aborted and nothing else, then at that point you have to admit you just want the "irresponsible" women to be punished.

I imagine people who are raped then are forced to make a police statement as well in order to get the abortion when the victim might not be comfortable actually reporting the rape.

It's kind of annoying whenever this discussion comes up and pro-choice people fall back on using rape cases as a default argument. Everyone should have the choice regardless of what happened and without having to explain why they want one before the third trimester.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 13, 2022, 06:37:54 PM »
And look what we have here.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/arrest-made-in-rape-of-ohio-10-year-old-who-had-to-travel-out-of-state-for-abortion/ar-AAZxBx7?li=BBnb7Kz
Wow, how shocking they didn't have a press conference manhunt in order to catch him and they didn't identify the 10 year old victim. /s

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 13, 2022, 04:50:54 PM »
As if working with the community to bring a child rapist to justice would not count as a positive.

Jesus, get a clue.
lol are you high again? The point was you said this has to be a fake report because there was no press release. I said there doesn't have to be a press release.

Holy crap, you are writing like you are clueless. Underage victims are identified ALL THE TIME, when it comes to investigating child abuse and further prosecutorial efforts.

Underage perps are the ones that are not.
Sure, Jan.

Heartbeat cutoff...LOL!!!

First, you can claim what you want, but your main concern is obviously NOT the issue of what kind of sick perv did this to a 10 -year-old...it is whether or not people can get abortions. So, my statement wasn't horrible.
We're not here as an internet sleuthing team to uncover rapists. We're talking about the child's right to abort her rapist's fetus. If you want to find her rapist then travel to Ohio and link up with the police or at least make your own true crime thread.

2nd, the story states SIX WEEKS AND 3 DAYS!!!

Yeah, that kind of accuracy isn't possible.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I assume they detected a heartbeat through an ultrasound, thus she was unable to have an abortion in Ohio.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 12, 2022, 08:23:05 PM »
This is not factual in the slightest. The police are not obligated to give press conferences ever, they only do so when there is a major public event like a shooting or search.
Did you just make this up on the fly, like the reporting on the 10-year-old girl?
No, I did not. They are encouraged to do so in certain circumstances for positive public relations or cooperation but are not legally obligated.

It is possible they are keeping everything confidential for various reasons. The rapist could have been her own father for example.
Why would they keep the identity of the reported rapist confidential?

Do you read the words you write before you type them?

Purely rhetorical, as the answer is quite evident.
It's possible that releasing the identity of the rapist might identify the child. Underage victims are not disclosed for very obvious reasons.

If it is a false story, I'm not sure how that changes things? A young victim of rape would still need to travel for an abortion if they lived in Ohio.
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An Ohio state law went into effect July 2019 which makes abortion illegal after the fetus heartbeat can be detected, which usually develops between five or six weeks after conception. No exceptions are made for "hard cases" such as rape, incest, or a fetus determined to possibly have down syndrome.
Glad to see the thumbs up given to protecting child rapists.
Hi, please don't make up really horrible statements out of nowhere. Even when trolling you should stay on topic rather than spinning a harmful fantasy. Saying that Ohio laws would forbid a 10 year old rape victim from getting an abortion if she missed the heartbeat cutoff does not in any way allude to me wanting to protect a child rapist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: July 12, 2022, 04:33:57 PM »
Had the report been made, no doubt a press conference would have been held, notifying local residents to be on the lookout for a baby raper on the loose.
This is not factual in the slightest. The police are not obligated to give press conferences ever, they only do so when there is a major public event like a shooting or search. Child rapists are typically friends of the family so they may have already arrested the person and no, again, there is no obligation to make that public either. Not until they're convicted and added to a registry and then you wouldn't know which specific case they're linked to anyway.

It is possible they are keeping everything confidential for various reasons. The rapist could have been her own father for example. If it is a false story, I'm not sure how that changes things? A young victim of rape would still need to travel for an abortion if they lived in Ohio.
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An Ohio state law went into effect July 2019 which makes abortion illegal after the fetus heartbeat can be detected, which usually develops between five or six weeks after conception. No exceptions are made for "hard cases" such as rape, incest, or a fetus determined to possibly have down syndrome.

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