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And with automation already taking away non-artistic jobs, then what will be left in the future?
Maybe automation taking away all our jobs is the sign we need to stop having a job being the basis of our entire civilisation.
You'd need a civilization that cares about people first.

As for where this is going, I have no more idea than anyone else.  However its interesting to note that self driving cars was thought to be pretty doable, we'll have this working in just a few years.  But it turns out its a lot harder than originally thought.  It would not surprise me if we find that creating art (as something that inspires that touches people etc) is in a similar class.
This is an interesting point, and of course part of the issue here is that "art" is a very broad spectrum of things, ranging from works meant to inspire to more mundane things like, I dunno, the cover image for an opinion piece on a news site.

That latter half of the spectrum is important, because it's a somewhat reliable source of income. It's a safety net for someone who wants to get into (visual) arts - maybe they'll make it big, or maybe they'll live a comfortable enough life creating something that might not make them the next Michaelangelo, but which provides clear value to society. In my opinion, it's that safety net that's currently at risk.

To try and illustrate that point, here are a couple of AI-generated oil paintings of Trump, currently on fire*:

Now, is this revolutionary art that's going to inspire generations? Of course not. But could it be used as the cover of the next WaPo article about how Trump is a criminal? Yeah, probably. So, if an idiot like me can spit that out of a generator without having to pay for a stock photo or a comissioned art piece, what's stopping large companies from never commissioning artwork again?

* - I should note that while DALL-E 2 is supposed to be restricted from generating images relating to real people, those restrictions are terrible.
Yes, this.

I also write for funsies, but that's not the issue. AI generated art doesn't take anything away from me wanting to create something for my own enjoyment. But it does cause potential issue with artists who rely on creating as either a full time or part time job. Artists already struggle to get compensated fairly for their time and effort.

And with automation already taking away non-artistic jobs, then what will be left in the future?

I follow a few artists on twitter and I recently saw one who retweeted a comment like "the last one looks like an AI painting" and the artist essentially said it was the most insulting comment he's gotten and he wouldn't be surprised if that kind of comment becomes more prevalent. And it wasn't even a harsh criticism because this particular artist is very very good.

Anyway, I think it sucks. People already undervalue artists' work and this makes it worse obviously. We stray further from God's light everyday.


Or its because I read mostly American news and such.
The Atlantic is American news. Or maybe you're suggesting Rushy and I get our info from overseas?

Being American and all.
I know you're American.

It’s probably the latter.
When I’ve been in the US and seen the news it is like the rest of the world doesn’t exist.
He does not live in America.

Huh.  All I hear is America.  Didn't know any other country had an outbreak.
That's because you're quick to hate on Americans any chance you get.

An ongoing outbreak of monkeypox, a viral disease, was confirmed in May 2022. The initial cluster of cases was found in the United Kingdom, where the first case was detected on 6 May 2022 in an individual with travel links to Nigeria (where the disease is endemic). The outbreak marked the first time monkeypox has spread widely outside Central and West Africa

This is the article the wiki references:

Men really need to learn to wear condoms.

Unfortunately straight women just aren't as dtf because they're women and not obsessed with sex.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: August 12, 2022, 07:11:21 PM »
I really, really, really want a music video for this one.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: August 12, 2022, 02:51:55 PM »
i just watched Prey. i can't believe i'm saying this about a predator sequel, but it was really good.

the pacing was nearly perfect. the audio mixing was literally perfect (i didn't have to adjust the volume at all). the action scenes were tight with very few quick cuts, and they didn't drag on and on.

my only real beefs are that the ending was kind of dumb, and that the main character looks so much like aubrey plaza that i couldn't stop seeing april ludgate.
Weird. I agree with literally everything you said.

It made me wish they'd do Predator movies kind of like Assassin's Creed games. Just standalones around the world at different times. Not that they need to but I've never had any interest in seeing the other Predator movies (outside of the original I LOVE the original) until this one.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 11, 2022, 08:45:36 PM »
We are talking about the responsibility to the child after pregnancy has already occurred.
Nope. You were talking about how women need to have higher standards and wait until marriage. Why would women need to do that if they get child support from the man regardless? You were absolutely blaming women for being sexually active and were placing no blame on sexually active men even though it's their sperm that causes all the problems.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 09, 2022, 05:00:12 PM »
Parental approval used to be expected for a woman to take a suitor, taking care of the 'inexperienced' issue.

If someone did get pregnant outside of marriage family pressure would be applied by both the man's family and the woman's family, if they had respectable morals, to get married and have the baby.
Sir, we are in the year of our lord 2022. Mayhaps you could join us.

Abortion was not an option and was something generally relegated to prostitutes and riff raff.
lol very untrue

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 07:34:33 PM »
I guess you are right, but he should admit that there are some valid reasons for abortion even in his mind.
No, he won't. He is literally a troll.

To listen to some in this thread safe abortion enables slutty behavior.  That has to be the most ridiculously misogynistic concept I have ever heard.

Next thing is they will want to eliminate all forms of contraceptives.
Yes. He is a misogynistic troll.

Meeting him halfway to get him to admit to something he never will is just losing the argument that abortion shouldn't be banned for any specific reasons other than time limits. You don't need to engage with him on his level, it just gives him the attention to keep going.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 06:53:14 PM »
We could go on and on but perhaps you could respond to those 3.
Why? Why proceed with an argument based on the idea that all women should only have sex within a marriage and only require an abortion for some medical emergency or rape? Stop giving Troll Bishop any wiggle room with a stupid premise.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 06:40:04 PM »
Yes, because no woman has ever, in the history of humanity, told her suiters that she was waiting until marriage.
Hmm, well are you arguing that all women should act like brain-washed, controlled, prudes or that we should have higher standards? You can only pick one because having higher standards does not equal being the virgin Mary. Or admit that you're a sexist troll and move on.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« on: August 08, 2022, 03:58:52 PM »
It does not matter if it occurred or not. The point is clearly that women can just get higher standards or opt for marriage.
One is not a connoisseur at birth. Only with a solid knowledge base and experience can one develop impeccable taste.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: August 05, 2022, 07:20:29 PM »

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians
« on: August 05, 2022, 12:48:42 AM »
haha I've never seen one of those shirts before. It doesn't surprise me, but it's not as prevalent as you guys are making it seem.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians
« on: August 04, 2022, 08:59:50 PM »
Yeaah, I don't think we single handedly won the war either and I went to school in the south. I mostly learned that we were assholes until it directly affected us.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: August 04, 2022, 06:09:02 PM »
I always forget about this thread.

Elvis was the first movie I've seen in theaters since the pandemic. It was good and fun and sad. Austin Butler clearly put in a lot of effort to sound like Elvis. His speaking voice consistently impressed me. On the flip side of that, Richard Roxburgh was a weird choice for Vernon, he could have worked on his American accent a bit more.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: August 01, 2022, 03:17:57 PM »

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: July 28, 2022, 02:53:50 PM »
The first thing I thought of when I saw that video yesterday was how he's come so far. This one is from 2013.


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