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Flat Earth Investigations / What are astronomers observing?
« on: April 13, 2022, 05:25:47 PM »
Why would I be an astronomer if it was apparent that (as some FE-ers will propose) the sky was a projection, rendering astronomy useless?

You can observe binary star systems, planets, gravitational lensing, nebulae, etc. These observations lend themselves to a now-obvious inference about our place in the universe.

I can predict the transit of celestial bodies using the well-established model that includes the earth being a planet among countless other planets.

You would simply need a mountain of evidence to “disprove” such observable, predictable things as binary star systems. Are astronomers just completely wrong? Can I apply the band-aid fix of “they could be wrong” and call it a day?


This may be one of the weakest parts of the wiki. The relatively short articles that make up The Cosmos section don’t constitute any argument against the gigantic volume of data and studies that countless people and organizations have created. The wiki relies too much on the basis that RE is a philosophical model rather than an observable one. Some cherrypicked and contextless quotes from random figures don’t change that.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: April 05, 2022, 03:10:22 AM »
If pictures, videos, launch documentation, press releases, names of project contributors, project timelines, budgets, etc etc are not high enough quality evidence to be accepted, what is?

Exactly.
All the evidence that could exist, DOES. It cannot physically get any better. (Except, perhaps, for cheaper space tourism. This is likely happening soon, but that’s besides the point)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: April 01, 2022, 11:51:21 PM »
This thread is about photographs?

The video is a timelapse of individual frames, yes. So it could be regarded as such.

The original broadcast was a live stream, as far as I can gather.

Correct. Action80 would rather argue semantics than actually read what I said. It was a broadcast but they may as well be called “photographs” because it was every 5 minutes. Or call it footage. I don’t care.

Again:
All the POSSIBLE evidence that could exist for space travel and a globe… DOES exist. It doesn’t get much better than what we have: literal photographs, videos, jobs, engineering etc.

You have already decided that no evidence will make you happy, because all the possible evidence does in fact exist.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: April 01, 2022, 05:22:53 PM »

Even if we had one, we wouldn't share with RE-adherents.


If you had the knowledge, you wouldn’t share it? Is that not completely antithetical to the point of science and knowledge?

Let’s be absolutely clear:
All the POSSIBLE evidence that could exist for space travel and a globe… DOES exist. It doesn’t get much better than what we have: literal photographs, videos, jobs, engineering etc.

There’s photographs in the OP. Your beliefs won’t stop the rest of humanity from living in reality.

In fact, your disbelief is exactly my point. You can’t lean on any inaccuracies in the footage, because there aren’t any. All you can do is disbelieve.

There is nothing they can do to make literal photographs more real. Nothing will make you happy here.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: April 01, 2022, 04:37:42 AM »
In the end, we have an admission the video could have been a recreation that could have been just as well done in an sudio here on earth.

The OP said "There’s no substantive argument against the timelapse that holds water.", and you seem to be lacking a substantive argument.

Claiming that it "could have" been done in a studio is not a substantive argument. So ...

Do you have a substantive argument to make?
Yes, the timelapse, as admitted by the OP, could have just as well been recreated in a studio here on earth.
Like I said, this something you can easily recreate on earth.
I guess we are done here.

I said that… clearly in reference to the specks specifically. I know you’re doing this on purpose though. Even Pete or Tom would be amazed at this level of deflection.

If I’m understanding correctly, what you’re NOW claiming is that footage, as presented, looks completely legitimate and has no flaws EXCEPT that it “could be faked”.

Which is not what I was originally talking about.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 31, 2022, 11:53:33 PM »
I can't see how they would work as they do if the earth was flat.
Maybe you need to go learn some things then.
Please provide some links.
Ask the op for help.

Or don't.

Please make it a LITTLE less obvious when you’re willfully making ridiculous leaps.
Saying that you can see the effect of radiation on camera lenses is NOT saying “RE admits that this could be faked in a studio!”

If those specks are your best argument against the legitimacy of the video provided, then there’s not much to lean on for you.
I would be honestly more surprised if I WASN’T seeing radiation artifacts. It is known that there is more radiation bombardment in space.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 31, 2022, 03:02:31 PM »
I wish you "two," would make up your mind.

What? You just asked him what he saw, and that’s what it looked like, and he gave you his answer.

Yes, it is radiation bombarding the lens. Like I said, this something you can easily recreate on earth. This isn’t us “making up our mind”. You’re running out of straws to grasp at here.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 31, 2022, 02:26:17 PM »
Is that a Yes or No?
That is a "I am no longer going to engage you in this thread."

Have a good day.

I’m not sure what your point is. The specks are from radiation. You can literally see the same “specks” effect on a phone camera.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 30, 2022, 11:59:15 PM »
What's your concern about the footage?

They keep avoiding this and bringing up external factors about how the government is involved etc.
I want to know if the footage itself has flaws that would help FET?

I would like to add that I find it noteworthy that lots of people start “investigating” FET based on some misinterpretation, such as “well why don’t they burn up in the thermosphere! Huh, must be fake!”

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 30, 2022, 09:58:50 PM »
Posting UN nonsense and claiming it that somehow disconnects US Government involvement is just absurd.

We don't need to take our concerns anywhere else, most certainly anywhere you suggest.

How about a more direct question: are there any problems with the EchoStar video provided in the original post? Any errors that would suggest it’s not real? This is what I wanted to know.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 30, 2022, 08:12:02 PM »
UAll I'm suggesting is that you take your concerns to ITSO & the UN and let the 149 member states know that you think satellites and space-travel are faked by NASA.

Exactly. This would be the greatest discovery of the century, why not publish a paper about why it’s all faked and inform the UN?

I’m still calling into question the FE reasoning for why the footage “looks fake”, when all the concerns are based off a misinterpretation, and therefore not a good case against space travel.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 24, 2022, 10:51:42 PM »
So anything "connected with government in some manner" can't be peer reviewed? Does this apply to all governments? How do you define "connected with government", specifically?

Airbags have government involvement, immediately remove them from your car!

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 24, 2022, 03:36:15 PM »
It really does feel like that sort of logic, making it your literal belief, is jumping the gun and being too eager to believe something.

I could write a very convincing book on how space travel is fake and how the earth is flat. Do I LITERALLY believe that space travel is fake and the earth is flat? No. I can talk about HOW things can be faked without just saying “well it’s fake because it’s the truth!”

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 24, 2022, 03:26:45 PM »
There is no such thing as "space travel," except the space defined as within the limits of the atmoplane, and some guy named Jules Verne back in the 1800's, with his huge fan base carrying on the tradition.

What, exactly, is the “problem” with the idea of space travel? Nothing about it defies any observable, understandable physics. It strikes a nerve with some people as this impossible “sci-fi” thing but it’s become a fairly mundane part of life.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 24, 2022, 12:44:45 PM »
His mistake is believing that nonsense to begin with.

Why not actually debate? I could just say “your mistake is believing in FE nonsense” but I’m not going to because we were having a discussion.

Are you supposing that the entire science of orbital mechanics and transfers is fabricated?

All the evidence (here on earth) for space travel that could POSSIBLY exist DOES exist. Photos, jobs, entire sciences, launches, tracking. But because you can’t go to Mars and look at the rover itself, the whole thing must not be real?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 23, 2022, 06:32:10 PM »
There is no such place as 22,000 miles above the surface of the earth.
How is it then that you get the strongest signal when your directional antenna is pointed at that spot?

It’s always something something “triangulation” with them.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 23, 2022, 03:24:40 PM »
What's your hot take, that they employ someone to fake pictures from it. Why would they do that?

Exactly. I don’t see how putting a camera on a satellite to add a satellite channel, as a television provider, is less plausible than having a constant feed be faked (while making sure it’s consistent with the world at all times!)
One is a one-time relatively cheap addition to a launch, one is a constant human labor cost.

(Also sort of bummed out by the lack of FE engagement lately except for Tom and Pete. Maybe everyone found out it’s not flat.)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 23, 2022, 12:56:33 AM »

NASA faking the data is sort of the underlying premise of this concept and website.

NASA? Tom, this is about EchoStar and Dish Network. Why would I, as a private company, waste money on a fake satellite launch as well as perfectly craft a fake daily nonstop feed from the satellite’s fake perspective for no reason? I would much rather just put a camera on a useful piece of equipment launched into orbit.

It is the neutral, unbiased, independent research of this stuff that only solidified my knowledge (not belief) that the earth is a globe.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 22, 2022, 11:55:00 PM »
Considering that you have provided zero verifiable information showing that the data is legitimate, your assertions are as easily dismissed as they are stated.
What do you mean by "legitimate" here?  Do you contend that the space telescopes I provided a link to (via the wikipedia) do not exist?  or that the scientists publishing papers on them over the last 50 years or so made up their data?  or what?

I don’t believe there’s much in this world that would cause the editors of the literal FE wiki to edit it to say “we have been disproven” (as hilarious as that would be)

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?
« on: March 22, 2022, 11:40:10 PM »
Considering that you have provided zero verifiable information showing that the data is legitimate, your assertions are as easily dismissed as they are stated.

Tom, my original post was a little bit more than saying “here’s some footage, accept it”. It was a bit of a meta argument.

I’m completely admitting that you can just say it’s fake and I can’t do much about it. I’m asserting that the REASONING used by FE’ers in the comments are based on false interpretations/misunderstandings.

If these are the things that made them FE’ers, they got to their position for the wrong reasons. All that FET really has is desperate skepticism that you “technically” can’t disprove as long as you push the bar for evidence back enough.

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