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Title: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: J-Man on April 21, 2018, 04:42:04 PM
This one really gets your attention. It gets 3 to 1 up votes and has 3/4's of a million views. It's hard hitting proving Flat with a beautiful assumption at the end. Enjoy fence sitters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7_9eIAlT4
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on April 21, 2018, 04:47:49 PM
Within the first minute he says that the horizon remains flat and rises to eye level no matter how high you go up.
Both of those things have been repeatedly proven to be untrue so I think watching the rest would be a waste of my time.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: J-Man on April 21, 2018, 05:22:06 PM
Within the first minute he says that the horizon remains flat and rises to eye level no matter how high you go up.
Both of those things have been repeatedly proven to be untrue so I think watching the rest would be a waste of my time.

Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false. No one has ever seen a curvature of the Earth because it's flat. Trust your eyes and watch the video, who is he? btw. This is a well produced documentary with numerous contributors, squashing the fake news of a globe no one has ever seen. Turn the hubble around, oh in decades you can't. You can't get any pictures of Earth either, nothing but CGI. Thanks for playing, fakery.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: inquisitive on April 21, 2018, 05:28:08 PM
Within the first minute he says that the horizon remains flat and rises to eye level no matter how high you go up.
Both of those things have been repeatedly proven to be untrue so I think watching the rest would be a waste of my time.

Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false. No one has ever seen a curvature of the Earth because it's flat. Trust your eyes and watch the video, who is he? btw. This is a well produced documentary with numerous contributors, squashing the fake news of a globe no one has ever seen. Turn the hubble around, oh in decades you can't. You can't get any pictures of Earth either, nothing but CGI. Thanks for playing, fakery.
What does 'rise' to eye level mean?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: J-Man on April 21, 2018, 05:37:26 PM
Within the first minute he says that the horizon remains flat and rises to eye level no matter how high you go up.
Both of those things have been repeatedly proven to be untrue so I think watching the rest would be a waste of my time.

Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false. No one has ever seen a curvature of the Earth because it's flat. Trust your eyes and watch the video, who is he? btw. This is a well produced documentary with numerous contributors, squashing the fake news of a globe no one has ever seen. Turn the hubble around, oh in decades you can't. You can't get any pictures of Earth either, nothing but CGI. Thanks for playing, fakery.
What does 'rise' to eye level mean?

It means NASA has never been able to get a real picture of the globe from space in the decades long fakery.

The Flat Earth awakening is happening and while a stigma still follows those who believe, the numbers of views on this tube view proves peeps no longer believe the BS. The demons have been exposed for what they are.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on April 21, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false.
You can't detect curvature at that height (and I have flown plenty, my work involves travel).
But you can measure the horizon dip at much lower altitudes, several experiments have been outlined and shown on here recently which do that.
Even if NASA are faking all their images (which they aren't), there are plenty of space agencies which have taken film and pictures from space and even amateurs have sent balloons up high enough to see the curve.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: inquisitive on April 21, 2018, 06:21:52 PM
Within the first minute he says that the horizon remains flat and rises to eye level no matter how high you go up.
Both of those things have been repeatedly proven to be untrue so I think watching the rest would be a waste of my time.

Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false. No one has ever seen a curvature of the Earth because it's flat. Trust your eyes and watch the video, who is he? btw. This is a well produced documentary with numerous contributors, squashing the fake news of a globe no one has ever seen. Turn the hubble around, oh in decades you can't. You can't get any pictures of Earth either, nothing but CGI. Thanks for playing, fakery.
What does 'rise' to eye level mean?

It means NASA has never been able to get a real picture of the globe from space in the decades long fakery.

The Flat Earth awakening is happening and while a stigma still follows those who believe, the numbers of views on this tube view proves peeps no longer believe the BS. The demons have been exposed for what they are.
Please point us to the correct map and confirm the distance from eg. Santiago to Sydney.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: J-Man on April 21, 2018, 06:47:04 PM
Within the first minute he says that the horizon remains flat and rises to eye level no matter how high you go up.
Both of those things have been repeatedly proven to be untrue so I think watching the rest would be a waste of my time.

Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false. No one has ever seen a curvature of the Earth because it's flat. Trust your eyes and watch the video, who is he? btw. This is a well produced documentary with numerous contributors, squashing the fake news of a globe no one has ever seen. Turn the hubble around, oh in decades you can't. You can't get any pictures of Earth either, nothing but CGI. Thanks for playing, fakery.
What does 'rise' to eye level mean?

It means NASA has never been able to get a real picture of the globe from space in the decades long fakery.

The Flat Earth awakening is happening and while a stigma still follows those who believe, the numbers of views on this tube view proves peeps no longer believe the BS. The demons have been exposed for what they are.
Please point us to the correct map and confirm the distance from eg. Santiago to Sydney.

Planes disappear off radar as soon as they leave the coastline. Getting exact measurements become impossible thanks to the US GPS data. How convenient they hide the flat earth eh?

Check it out, track them. But watch the video, it explains all these anomalies and how the powers that be and evil forces fool you. It's well worth the hours if you seek truth.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 22, 2018, 07:51:08 AM
Planes disappear off radar as soon as they leave the coastline.

What kind of 'radar' are you using to track them?

Check it out, track them.

Again, what would you recommend tracking them with?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: inquisitive on April 22, 2018, 08:28:01 AM
Within the first minute he says that the horizon remains flat and rises to eye level no matter how high you go up.
Both of those things have been repeatedly proven to be untrue so I think watching the rest would be a waste of my time.

Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false. No one has ever seen a curvature of the Earth because it's flat. Trust your eyes and watch the video, who is he? btw. This is a well produced documentary with numerous contributors, squashing the fake news of a globe no one has ever seen. Turn the hubble around, oh in decades you can't. You can't get any pictures of Earth either, nothing but CGI. Thanks for playing, fakery.
What does 'rise' to eye level mean?

It means NASA has never been able to get a real picture of the globe from space in the decades long fakery.

The Flat Earth awakening is happening and while a stigma still follows those who believe, the numbers of views on this tube view proves peeps no longer believe the BS. The demons have been exposed for what they are.
Please point us to the correct map and confirm the distance from eg. Santiago to Sydney.

Planes disappear off radar as soon as they leave the coastline. Getting exact measurements become impossible thanks to the US GPS data. How convenient they hide the flat earth eh?

Check it out, track them. But watch the video, it explains all these anomalies and how the powers that be and evil forces fool you. It's well worth the hours if you seek truth.
Radar works out to sea. There are other GPS systems, all give exact measurements.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: nickrulercreator on April 23, 2018, 02:13:06 AM
Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false.

No, wrong. The horizon does not rise to my eye level. A sextant can prove this (and has).

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No one has ever seen a curvature of the Earth because it's flat.

What a claim.

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Trust your eyes and watch the video

So which one do you want us to do then? Trust our eyes that can be easily deceived and incorrect, or blindly accept someone's poorly-produced, unscientific, and non-peer-reviewed video?

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Turn the hubble around, oh in decades you can't.

We have done that: http://www.stsci.edu/hst/wfpc2/documents/isr/wfpc2_isr0202.pdf and http://www.stsci.edu/hst/wfc3/documents/meeting_posters/aas_217/Pavlovsky_AASflats_final.pdf

The only problem is that Hubble moves too quickly. It's minimum exposure time is .1 seconds. In that time it travels 700 meters (nearly half a mile) over the surface of the earth. It would only see streaks, as shown above.

Another good explanation: http://www.badastronomy.com/mad/2000/hubbleearth.html

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You can't get any pictures of Earth either

Why not?

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, nothing but CGI.

Nice claim. Where's your evidence.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Spycrab on April 23, 2018, 05:18:21 PM

Within the first minute he says that the horizon remains flat and rises to eye level no matter how high you go up.
Both of those things have been repeatedly proven to be untrue so I think watching the rest would be a waste of my time.

Most of us have flown in a plane @ 30,000 ft. or so and know your statement to be false. No one has ever seen a curvature of the Earth because it's flat. Trust your eyes and watch the video, who is he? btw. This is a well produced documentary with numerous contributors, squashing the fake news of a globe no one has ever seen. Turn the hubble around, oh in decades you can't. You can't get any pictures of Earth either, nothing but CGI. Thanks for playing, fakery.
What does 'rise' to eye level mean?

It means NASA has never been able to get a real picture of the globe from space in the decades long fakery.

The Flat Earth awakening is happening and while a stigma still follows those who believe, the numbers of views on this tube view proves peeps no longer believe the BS. The demons have been exposed for what they are.
As I have stated before, some brief online shopping can get you a high altitude balloon and wireless camcorder for as low as $120.
If you want to disprove us so badly, do so. If you can get some footage of the dome, that'd be world-shattering news. (or should i say world flattening hehe) Unless of course people dismiss it as fake like you do to every piece of RE proof that is presented.  ;)
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: J-Man on April 29, 2018, 12:58:43 AM
Why no car in space. I know I giggled at it too but this is one great video proving many flats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_ZrA5lxELw
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 08:46:25 AM
Proof that there was, and still is, a car in space, by comparison with weather satellite imagery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC8Yh3UT-Do
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
That's a good introductory video. Thanks J-Man.

Proof that there was, and still is, a car in space, by comparison with weather satellite imagery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC8Yh3UT-Do (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC8Yh3UT-Do)

Why would they use totally phony clouds when the NOAA and other sources provides weather data and a cloud layer with weather monitoring services?

Even the local weather man can overlay a cloud layer over an image. Why can't SpaceX/NASA?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 02:55:58 PM
Why would they use totally phony clouds when the NOAA and other sources provides weather data and a cloud layer with weather monitoring services? Even the local weather man can overlay a cloud layer over an image. Why can't SpaceX/NASA?

Prove to us that they are "phony clouds".
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 04:02:55 PM
Why would they use totally phony clouds when the NOAA and other sources provides weather data and a cloud layer with weather monitoring services? Even the local weather man can overlay a cloud layer over an image. Why can't SpaceX/NASA?

Prove to us that they are "phony clouds".

That was not my assertion. The video tries to provide legitimacy to the SpaceX video by showing that the cloud patterns appear in other sources. But why would they just make up cloud patterns for such a hoax when meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which you have seen when the local weather man overlays the clouds on an image of his choosing?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 04:07:17 PM
... why would they just make up cloud patterns for such a hoax when meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which you have seen when the local weather man overlays the clouds on an image of his choosing?

You're proceeding on the basis that SpaceX have either "used phony clouds" or have "(made) up cloud patterns for such a hoax", without proof of either. Where's your proof of either "phoney" or "making up" ?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 04:14:17 PM
... why would they just make up cloud patterns for such a hoax when meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which you have seen when the local weather man overlays the clouds on an image of his choosing?

You're proceeding on the basis that SpaceX have either "used phony clouds" or have "(made) up cloud patterns for such a hoax", without proof of either. Where's your proof of either "phoney" or "making up" ?

I am not saying that anyone used phony clouds.

Did you even watch the video that YOU posted? The author is trying to show that the SpaceX video is legitimate because the cloud patterns from that video are the same as cloud patterns in other sources. The author is assuming that if it was illegitimate the cloud patterns would be phony. There is no reason for the cloud patterns to be phony in such a hoax because meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which we see when the weather man overlays the clouds on different images.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: jcks on April 29, 2018, 04:26:25 PM
... why would they just make up cloud patterns for such a hoax when meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which you have seen when the local weather man overlays the clouds on an image of his choosing?

You're proceeding on the basis that SpaceX have either "used phony clouds" or have "(made) up cloud patterns for such a hoax", without proof of either. Where's your proof of either "phoney" or "making up" ?

I am not saying that anyone used phony clouds.

Did you even watch the video that YOU posted? The author is trying to show that the SpaceX video is legitimate because the cloud patterns from that video are the same as cloud patterns in other sources. The author is assuming that if it was illegitimate the cloud patterns would be phony. There is no reason for the cloud patterns to be phony in such a hoax because meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which we see when the weather man overlays the clouds on different images.

Yes but how does that happen in real time? As stated else where CGI doesn't happen overnight.

At any point in the live stream you can perform the same cloud check and it will be correct. How is that possible?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on April 29, 2018, 04:47:20 PM
There is no reason for the cloud patterns to be phony in such a hoax because meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which we see when the weather man overlays the clouds on different images.
You know those cloud layers from the meteorological services come from satellites, right?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 04:53:38 PM
... why would they just make up cloud patterns for such a hoax when meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which you have seen when the local weather man overlays the clouds on an image of his choosing?

You're proceeding on the basis that SpaceX have either "used phony clouds" or have "(made) up cloud patterns for such a hoax", without proof of either. Where's your proof of either "phoney" or "making up" ?

I am not saying that anyone used phony clouds.

Did you even watch the video that YOU posted? The author is trying to show that the SpaceX video is legitimate because the cloud patterns from that video are the same as cloud patterns in other sources. The author is assuming that if it was illegitimate the cloud patterns would be phony. There is no reason for the cloud patterns to be phony in such a hoax because meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which we see when the weather man overlays the clouds on different images.

Yes but how does that happen in real time? As stated else where CGI doesn't happen overnight.

At any point in the live stream you can perform the same cloud check and it will be correct. How is that possible?

The NOAA does have real time cloud products. Real time data sources are easily searched online.

We can see what the clouds look like right now over the US here: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/us_comp/small

Overlaying such data over an image in "real time" is trivial. It is overlaid over an image in the above link. The weather man does it. He even often says "this is the cloud coverage right now."

There is no reason for the cloud patterns to be phony in such a hoax because meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which we see when the weather man overlays the clouds on different images.
You know those cloud layers from the meteorological services come from satellites, right?

Allegedly. But the information could come from weather balloons, weather radar stations, weather monitoring buoys, etc, all of which exist in abundance.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on April 29, 2018, 05:00:06 PM
Denial ain't just a river...

And this is why "The Conspiracy" isn't just about faking space travel. Or even if it started that way there are now a load of things like this, satellite TV, satellite phones, GPS all of which have to be made to work without satellites to maintain the pretence that satellites really exist.

It's a ludicrous claim, frankly.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 05:25:42 PM
I am not saying that anyone used phony clouds.

You've got an exceedingly peculiar way of phrasing your posts, then.


Did you even watch the video that YOU posted?

I authored that video I posted.

"The author is trying to show that the SpaceX video is legitimate because the cloud patterns from that video are the same as cloud patterns in other sources."

Yes

"The author is assuming that if it was illegitimate the cloud patterns would be phony."

No, I don't think I'm 'assuming' that at all. My premise is that the SpaceX and Himawari imagery is absolutely legitimate.

I'm not concerned with how, why, or whatever would apply IF it was illegitimate. 

There is no reason for the cloud patterns to be phony in such a hoax because meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which we see when the weather man overlays the clouds on different images.

Again, you've got a weird, backwards, convoluted way of phrasing this. It's not a hoax. The cloud patterns are not phony.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 05:31:15 PM
the information could come from weather balloons, weather radar stations, weather monitoring buoys, etc, all of which exist in abundance.

It couldn't. These don't get high enough to get the full-face pictures that Himawari gives us.

The SpaceX craft was in an elliptical orbit, and therefore the perspective on the clouds varies according to orbital height and position. The craft moved in relation to the Earth, Himawari didn't. This can all be seen and accounted for by comparison between the two.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 05:36:19 PM
Again, you've got a weird, backwards, convoluted way of phrasing this. It's not a hoax. The cloud patterns are not phony.
He's saying the clouds would not be phony because they have access to real imagery that could be composited into the video. Thus, the video you provided wouldn't restore credibility.

Pretty good compositing, if so. Got the altered perspective and vantage point just right from what weather imagery could provide.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 05:41:14 PM
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Allegedly. But the information could come from weather balloons, weather radar stations, weather monitoring buoys, etc, all of which exist in abundance.

" 'Possibly,' 'probably,' 'maybe,' 'might' and 'could' are all good markers of ad hoc claims."

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ad_hoc (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ad_hoc)
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 06:00:06 PM
the information could come from weather balloons, weather radar stations, weather monitoring buoys, etc, all of which exist in abundance.

It couldn't. These don't get high enough to get the full-face pictures that Himawari gives us.

The SpaceX craft was in an elliptical orbit, and therefore the perspective on the clouds varies according to orbital height and position. The craft moved in relation to the Earth, Himawari didn't. This can all be seen and accounted for by comparison between the two.

Over the Horizon Radars can also do vast weather monitoring.

Six OTH radars can cover 90 million square kilometers:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/OTHR_AN_TPS_71_ROTHR.html

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The combined coverage of the six OTH-B radars is about 90 million square kilometers of open ocean where few weather instruments exist.

China has 9.60 million square km (https://www.bing.com/search?q=square%20kilometers%20in%20china), for comparison.

The "Himawari" may just be the point where they finally got their act together, improved their processes, and tied in all the radar data together over an image of the globe for easier visualization and public access.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: jcks on April 29, 2018, 06:06:02 PM
... why would they just make up cloud patterns for such a hoax when meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which you have seen when the local weather man overlays the clouds on an image of his choosing?

You're proceeding on the basis that SpaceX have either "used phony clouds" or have "(made) up cloud patterns for such a hoax", without proof of either. Where's your proof of either "phoney" or "making up" ?

I am not saying that anyone used phony clouds.

Did you even watch the video that YOU posted? The author is trying to show that the SpaceX video is legitimate because the cloud patterns from that video are the same as cloud patterns in other sources. The author is assuming that if it was illegitimate the cloud patterns would be phony. There is no reason for the cloud patterns to be phony in such a hoax because meteorological services provide a cloud layer, which we see when the weather man overlays the clouds on different images.

Yes but how does that happen in real time? As stated else where CGI doesn't happen overnight.

At any point in the live stream you can perform the same cloud check and it will be correct. How is that possible?

The NOAA does have real time cloud products. Real time data sources are easily searched online.

We can see what the clouds look like right now over the US here: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/us_comp/small

Overlaying such data over an image in "real time" is trivial. It is overlaid over an image in the above link. The weather man does it. He even often says "this is the cloud coverage right now."

Trivial how?

This wasn't overlaid on an image (which making that fit into a preexisting image of earth would be no trivial task at all). It was live footage. The timestamps are there you can go back and watch the video to see if the screens he used are legit or not.

But my original question wasn't about the video posted here. I was asking about the Starman stream itself, how were those clouds faked into a "CGI" stream in real time and yet accurate to what the cloud formations looked like based on data at the time?

Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 06:25:46 PM
Over the Horizon Radars can also do vast weather monitoring.
OTH radar doesn't produce photographic imagery.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 06:39:55 PM
Over the Horizon Radars can also do vast weather monitoring.
OTH radar doesn't produce photographic imagery.

Radar passes through the clouds face on. The top down cloud imagery is generated with algorithms. The same way it is done with regular weather radar.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 06:47:02 PM
Radar passes through the clouds face on. The top down cloud imagery is generated with algorithms. The same way it is done with regular weather radar.

And you have cast-iron proof of this being done, have you?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 06:58:35 PM
Radar passes through the clouds face on. The top down cloud imagery is generated with algorithms. The same way it is done with regular weather radar.

And you have cast-iron proof of this being done, have you?
He's in my world now. It doesn't work that way. No algorithm turns OTH radar data into photographic imagery.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 07:35:36 PM
Look into how Doppler Radar creates top down images from ground based radar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItuNNhY5WBw
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 08:09:32 PM
Look into how Doppler Radar creates top down images from ground based radar.

Can you prove beyond all reasonable doubt that this was used either for the SpaceX Tesla mission, or for the Himawari imagery?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 08:13:23 PM
Look into how Doppler Radar creates top down images from ground based radar.
I don't need to learn about radar from YouTube or Wikipedia.

Pulse Doppler radars for detecting and mapping rain are terrestrial and operate in the X-Band. They don't produce photographs either. Their product is turned into graphical presentations, overlaid on a map or photo image from another source (satellite).

Here's what the video you linked to me showed was a Doppler weather product. Does it look photo-realistic to you?
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/35jmpn9.jpg)
Sometimes, weather reports will lay that kind of product over a composited satellite image. Don't confuse that imagery with what the doppler radar is providing.


OTH radar is something entirely different. They are much lower in frequency (longer wavelength) and utilize groundwave or skywave principles to see over the horizon. They don't detect precipitation the way doppler radar does. They see through rain. X-Band doppler radar doesn't, which is why it's used for meteorology. (X-Band doppler also has no over-the-horizon capability).

However OTH radars are used to help data input to meteorology (I don't know how, exactly; I'm only familiar with military uses), but it's an entirely different type of radar from microwave doppler radar.

Besides, neither produces photographic-quality images. No algorithm is used to take radar images (OTH or doppler) and assemble a pseudo-photographic-like product. There are ways for synthetic aperture or ISAR radar to create a visual image with greater detail of an object, but you'd never mistake it for a photograph and it's not used for weather or creating atmospheric images of earth.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 08:24:49 PM
The colors from the radar are vibrant red and blues for visual and scientific purposes. It represents the precipitation in the clouds.

It takes only a little more processing to smooth precipitation out into whites and greys.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 08:27:58 PM
It takes only a little more processing to smooth precipitation out into whites and greys.

Again, do you have any proof of this being done in the context of the video we're talking about?

Or are you just speculating that it COULD be done?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 08:43:35 PM
The colors from the radar are vibrant red and blues for visual and scientific purposes. It represents the precipitation in the clouds.

It takes only a little more processing to smooth precipitation out into whites and greys.
Is that all?

Do it. You'll make a mint. Because it's not being done now, and the doppler product isn't a presentation that can be interpretated as visible cloud cover.

You're taking a layman's misunderstanding of weather radar and trying to use it to salvage a possible scenario that can justify a preconceived belief that it could be a valid alternative to satellites for high altitude perspective atmospheric imagery.

It's not even a stretch possibility.

 
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 09:18:32 PM
Are you saying that it is impossible to turn a blue cloud into a white cloud?

Were you at any of the locations on the earth in the SpaceX video to verify that the cloud looked exactly like the one in the video?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 09:28:48 PM
Are you saying that it is impossible to turn a blue cloud into a white cloud?
No. No radar is producing images of blue clouds that can be turned into white clouds.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 10:06:32 PM
Were you at any of the locations on the earth in the SpaceX video to verify that the cloud looked exactly like the one in the video?

Were you at any of the locations of Rowbotham's experiments, to verify that he saw what he said he saw?

The verification of the clouds in the SpaceX video is the fact that they match the output from an independent source. One is/was a set of cameras on an orbital craft at a max 6900km altitude, the other a geostationary craft at six times this distance. One operated by a private American company, one by the Japanese space agency or meteorological office. 
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 10:07:41 PM
Are you saying that it is impossible to turn a blue cloud into a white cloud?
No. No radar is producing images of blue clouds that can be turned into white clouds.

Its precipitation. Precipitation is concentrated in the clouds. Of course it can be turned into a white approximation of a cloud.

Again, you were not there. You don't know what the clouds truly and exactly looked like. We are just seeing the 'clouds' compared in one government sponsored project (SpaceX) compared to the 'clouds' from another government source.

 
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 10:11:52 PM
The verification of the clouds in the SpaceX video is the fact that they match the output from an independent source. One is/was a set of cameras on an orbital craft at a max 6900km altitude, the other a geostationary craft at six times this distance. One operated by a private American company, one by the Japanese space agency or meteorological office.

JAXA works with NASA on its satellites and SpaceX is NASA funded. This is basically asking NASA if NASA is legitimate.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 10:20:30 PM
JAXA works with NASA on its satellites and SpaceX is NASA funded. This is basically asking NASA if NASA is legitimate.

Were you there to see the supposed collusion, co-operation or exchange of data between the parties, or is your case going to rest on loose suggestion and implication again?

SpaceX is a private company. Do you assert they are wholly funded by NASA? If so, what do you offer to support this assertion? Have you audited their books? Seen the bank transfers?
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 10:34:24 PM

Its precipitation. Precipitation is concentrated in the clouds. Of course it can be turned into a white approximation of a cloud.
There is no color associated with radar returns. Any color is an enhancement for visual. Doppler weather radars are not imaging clouds. They are getting returns from precipitation. The graphics produced from doppler radar are after effects, coded for visual displays by severity (light, heavy, etc.) There are certainly clouds where there is snow or rain, even if it's not reaching the earth's surface, but no video or photographic images are being produced from radar returns. It's just not happening. It's a fiction. You're either making it up or you've let yourself be mistaken.

You started by talking about OTH radar. Which is totally not true. Completely different radar technique and system. Then you introduced doppler, which is STILL not a technique that can produce the kind of earth atmosphere environmental images that SpaceX or anyone can computer-graphically project into the background of a fake space scene.  Just simply, flat out, is not possible today. That's not what radar does. 


Again, you were not there. You don't know what the clouds truly and exactly looked like. We are just seeing the 'clouds' compared in one government sponsored project (SpaceX) compared to the 'clouds' from another government source.
I don't care. Whatever alternative you want to conjure up to satellite imagery, it's not from radar.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 10:50:11 PM

Its precipitation. Precipitation is concentrated in the clouds. Of course it can be turned into a white approximation of a cloud.
There is no color associated with radar returns. Any color is an enhancement for visual. Doppler weather radars are not imaging clouds. They are getting returns from precipitation. The graphics produced from doppler radar are after effects, coded for visual displays by severity (light, heavy, etc.) There are certainly clouds where there is snow or rain, even if it's not reaching the earth's surface, but no video or photographic images are being produced from radar returns. It's just not happening. It's a fiction. You're either making it up or you've let yourself be mistaken.

You started by talking about OTH radar. Which is totally not true. Completely different radar technique and system. Then you introduced doppler, which is STILL not a technique that can produce the kind of earth atmosphere environmental images that SpaceX or anyone can computer-graphically project into the background of a fake space scene.  Just simply, flat out, is not possible today. That's not what radar does. 


Again, you were not there. You don't know what the clouds truly and exactly looked like. We are just seeing the 'clouds' compared in one government sponsored project (SpaceX) compared to the 'clouds' from another government source.
I don't care. Whatever alternative you want to conjure up to satellite imagery, it's not from radar.

Maybe you should go to meterologynews.com and tell them that you know better than them.

http://meteorologynews.com/weather-technology/doppler-radar-can-detect-more-than-just-weather/

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doppler weather radar is traditionally used to detect water and ice droplets in the sky – otherwise known as clouds and precipitation

or tell the authors of this paper that they were mistaken:

https://soumyabratadev.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/tencon16-radar.pdf

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In this paper, we have presented a feasibility study of weather RADAR in detecting the cloud occurrence level. Weather RADAR is generally used for locating precipitation. However in our study, we have successfully used RADAR data to study the clouds and its related properties
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 10:57:12 PM
doppler weather radar is traditionally used to detect water and ice droplets in the sky – otherwise known as clouds and precipitation

Detect.

Not produce photographic imagery of. I don't see anything on that page that is even slightly similar to the output from either SpaceX or JAXA.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 11:02:45 PM
Maybe you should go to meterologynews.com and tell them that you know better than them.

or tell the author of this paper he was mistaken:
Or maybe I should tell them there are people like you who read these, don't understand, and believe what they're saying is they can image clouds in such a way that they can be turned into photographs.

Believe what you want.  But if you really want to put me in my place, contact either of those references and ask them. Post their response here.

(Of course, if they don't, or they laugh at you, or they give you some spiel contrary to what you think, then you can just chalk it up as more deception.)
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 11:13:04 PM
https://soumyabratadev.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/tencon16-radar.pdf

ABSTRACT  In this paper, we have presented a feasibility study of weather RADAR in detecting (not imaging) the cloud occurrence level. Weather RADAR is generally used for locating precipitation. However in our study, we have successfully used RADAR data to study the clouds and its related properties (but not image them). Our study shows that cloud height can be accurately detected (not imaged) using RADAR data with indication of the type of cloud (low, mid or high level). We validate our study with images captured from ground-based sky cameras. Our technique shows better  performance in terms of spatial and temporal resolutions, as compared to other cloud detecting models that uses radiosonde
data .

All italic parenthesis is mine.

Feasibility study. Not routine operation, but a try out to see if it worked.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Bobby Shafto on April 29, 2018, 11:16:03 PM
https://soumyabratadev.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/tencon16-radar.pdf

ABSTRACT  In this paper, we have presented a feasibility study of weather RADAR in detecting (not imaging) the cloud occurrence level. Weather RADAR is generally used for locating precipitation. However in our study, we have successfully used RADAR data to study the clouds and its related properties (but not image them). Our study shows that cloud height can be accurately detected (not imaged) using RADAR data with indication of the type of cloud (low, mid or high level). We validate our study with images captured from ground-based sky cameras. Our technique shows better  performance in terms of spatial and temporal resolutions, as compared to other cloud detecting models that uses radiosonde
data .

All italic parenthesis is mine.

Feasibility study. Not routine operation, but a try out to see if it worked.
I'm convinced he will never relent. And I can't worry about his misconception. I'm out.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 29, 2018, 11:26:08 PM
https://soumyabratadev.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/tencon16-radar.pdf

ABSTRACT  In this paper, we have presented a feasibility study of weather RADAR in detecting (not imaging) the cloud occurrence level. Weather RADAR is generally used for locating precipitation. However in our study, we have successfully used RADAR data to study the clouds and its related properties (but not image them). Our study shows that cloud height can be accurately detected (not imaged) using RADAR data with indication of the type of cloud (low, mid or high level). We validate our study with images captured from ground-based sky cameras. Our technique shows better  performance in terms of spatial and temporal resolutions, as compared to other cloud detecting models that uses radiosonde
data .

All italic parenthesis is mine.

Feasibility study. Not routine operation, but a try out to see if it worked.

Yes. Those were just a few foreign researchers in Singapore. Imagine what millions in government funding can do.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: Tumeni on April 29, 2018, 11:33:04 PM
Those were just a few foreign researchers in Singapore. Imagine what millions in government funding can do.

Imagine what would happen if you had the evidence to back up your imagination.
Title: Re: Best Flat Earth Video's
Post by: TomInAustin on July 23, 2018, 09:40:03 PM
https://soumyabratadev.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/tencon16-radar.pdf

ABSTRACT  In this paper, we have presented a feasibility study of weather RADAR in detecting (not imaging) the cloud occurrence level. Weather RADAR is generally used for locating precipitation. However in our study, we have successfully used RADAR data to study the clouds and its related properties (but not image them). Our study shows that cloud height can be accurately detected (not imaged) using RADAR data with indication of the type of cloud (low, mid or high level). We validate our study with images captured from ground-based sky cameras. Our technique shows better  performance in terms of spatial and temporal resolutions, as compared to other cloud detecting models that uses radiosonde
data .

All italic parenthesis is mine.

Feasibility study. Not routine operation, but a try out to see if it worked.
I'm convinced he will never relent. And I can't worry about his misconception. I'm out.

Now you're getting it.  He can't ever budge on any point of reality or the whole house of cards comes down.