The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: xasop on September 26, 2014, 05:18:51 PM
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Main article: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australias-new-security-laws-explained-20140926-10mh6d.html
This has been all over the news here lately. In short, our government is about to pass laws granting special immunity to agents working on loosely-defined "special intelligence operations", stricter penalties for anyone reporting information about said missions, and virtually unlimited power to access computer systems. In the name of fighting terrorism, of course.
This change has come about rather suddenly, after alleged terrorist plots in Sydney. I can't say I'm too happy with the reaction of Parliament, but this has been supported by both of our major parties, which in practice means an almost unanimous vote. I suppose the one good thing that might come of this is that people might stop voting the same idiots in every few years, but I don't hold out too much hope of that.
This whole thing is sickening to me. According to that article, there is more legislation on the way, which would enable the government to require me to prove that I'm not a terrorist if I decide to take a trip to Syria. There is a fairly substantial Arab population in Australia, many of whom no doubt have family in Syria. Now they may have to conjure up proof (if anyone wants to tell me how the fuck they're supposed to do that, please go right ahead) that they aren't engaging in terrorism every time they visit their families.
As far as I'm concerned, any party which supports these bills is never getting another vote from me.
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This sounds just like the Patriot Act.
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Yeah, that sounds very familiar.
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This sounds just like the Patriot Act.
Yeah, that sounds very familiar.
I had the same thought. The PATRIOT Act is one of the reasons I avoid the USA. If this doesn't get nipped in the bud, I may end up leaving Australia as well.
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Yeah, most Australians I know on the internet are pretty upset about this, but it's not surprising coming from the LNP. It passed the senate friday night with only the Greens and I think a liberal democrat voting against it. It will almost certainly pass the house of reps on tuesday.
From what I understand, if you're serious about privacy you need to use a VPN now. I'd write to my member but she's proven herself a total airhead in the past so I don't see a point.
The only place I've seen concern for this is the internet. Don't count on the public giving a single shit, everyone I've seen in public (including friends and people my age) think it's a good thing that will help fight terrorism, which remains to be seen.
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Did some specific event prompt this legislature?
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If I had to point at a catalyst it would be the one Parsifal mentioned, there was a recent event in Sydney which resulted in the AFP arresting a bunch of fundamentalists who were talking about beheading a random Australian. So it seems the AFP are already listening to phone lines if they want.
The LNP are luddites through and through, in the past they have demonstrated their disdain and lack of knowledge in regards to the internet (dismantling the NBN for political points, metadata retention, anti-piracy legislation talks, etc). With the rising presence of ISIS in the Australian media, especially home grown terrorism (which, in part, is due to their own rhetoric), they have decided to expand the powers of ASIO and the AFP in the name of catching terrorists.
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Why are you trying to escape anti-terrorism laws? Anti-terrorism laws are only for terrorists. You must be one.
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Listening in on everyone and everything because it's for your own good.
Random checkpoints "papers please"-currently known as 'sobriety checkpoints' here in the US (not sure about AU) for now... because it's for your own good,
Disarming of the population (made easier through indoctrination of the public, "guns are bad")... because it's for your own good.
etc etc
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Why are you trying to escape anti-terrorism laws? Anti-terrorism laws are only for terrorists. You must be one.
Is.. is that you, George Brandis?
Disarming of the population (made easier through indoctrination of the public, "guns are bad")... because it's for your own good.
Disarmament happened 10 years ago for us ;)
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"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
-Joseph Goebbels
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If you're worried about someone watching you, you're doing something you're not supposed to be doing.
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From what I understand, if you're serious about privacy you need to use a VPN now.
I may set up a VPS in Japan to do that. If I do end up doing that, anyone on FES who'd like a free VPN is welcome to use it.
I'd write to my member but she's proven herself a total airhead in the past so I don't see a point.
I might do that. My electorate has been a safe Liberal seat since it was established in 1949 (http://www.aec.gov.au/profiles/nsw/mackellar.htm), though, so I can't imagine her caring very much.
The only place I've seen concern for this is the internet. Don't count on the public giving a single shit, everyone I've seen in public (including friends and people my age) think it's a good thing that will help fight terrorism, which remains to be seen.
Most people I've talked to feel the same way I do, but that's pretty much entirely people at work, who are also Linux geeks.
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Of course, lulz such as this happened when someone quoted Joseph Goebbels to an anti-gunner on twitter, to which she said those were wise words to live by.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByTi2aTCMAACHC1.jpg)
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10584029_10152756477279470_8653446756729020728_n.jpg?oh=32f59065cafdc7ae15f9848da88e04f4&oe=54B7C733&__gda__=1417957669_a29837e3c186fd45b2855777ca7ecdb8)
Basically the gist of it. The first point is a bit off base with the actual legislation, probably written in such a way for the average person to relate the changes.
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Upon reflection, this might just have gotten me angry enough to finally join the Sex Party. I agree with every one of their 10 primary policies listed on their Policies page (http://www.sexparty.org.au/policies.html) (though I'm not sure I'm in agreement with all of their policies listed on sub-pages, but all those I might disagree with are worded vaguely enough that I don't know), and they oppose this new legislation.
I want to consider this some more first. I don't actually know what's involved in membership in a political party, so I will research that before making a decision.
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I like the way model 29 is apparently trying to make this thread about guns.
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I like the way model 29 is apparently trying to make this thread about guns.
It's the American way.
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Nice to see my political equivalents in Aus are fighting this.
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Just throwing the examples out there.
Who here loves the concepts of RFID implants and GPS monitoring of vehicles too?
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Just throwing the examples out there.
Who here loves the concepts of RFID implants and GPS monitoring of vehicles too?
Me. I like knowing where my car is. Hence why I'll get OnStar if I can.
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Nice to see my political equivalents in Aus are fighting this.
Labor have been hit and miss lately. With much of the crazy shit the LNP introduced in the budget, Greens and Labor have been voting against them, but sometimes (as with the carbon pricing scheme) it's not enough as the LNP hold quite a few seats and only need a few independents/bogan party members to vote with them.
Unfortunately Labor voted for these terror laws, which effectively means they're passed. The Greens are the only ones with some power still fighting things like that. They're the only party with seats in the senate whose members can spell 'internet'.
Here's a few choice quotes that I feel reflect the position of each party fairly well:
DAVID LEYONHJELM, LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY SENATOR: The case for the bill has not been made.
GLENN LAZARUS (Bogan Party): The internet poses one of the greatest threats to our existence.
SCOTT LUDLAM, GREENS SENATOR: Obstinate silence. Misinformation. Bluster and procedural abuse. This is how our freedoms are being deleted, line by line, by those whose recklessness is only exceeded by their mediocrity.
NICK XENOPHON, INDEPENDENT SENATOR: Some parts of the legislation have gone too far without adequate safeguards.
TONY ABBOTT: Regrettably, for some time to come, the delicate balance between freedom and security may have to shift.
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Stephen joins sex parties when he's angry
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-02/parliament-burka-rules-introduced/5786132
For fuck's sake.
For fuck's fucking sake.
Seriously.
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Why would you cover up your entire body? There is no reason to do so unless you are hiding shotguns and bombs.
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It's true. This is clearly a reasonable precaution and not poorly excused blatant racism.
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sword-removed-in-counterterrorism-raids-a-common-plastic-decoration-owner-reveals-20141007-10r7nj.html
I'm absolutely terrified of these plastic-wielding gamers. Save us, ASIO! Protect us from religious decorations!
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sword-removed-in-counterterrorism-raids-a-common-plastic-decoration-owner-reveals-20141007-10r7nj.html (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sword-removed-in-counterterrorism-raids-a-common-plastic-decoration-owner-reveals-20141007-10r7nj.html)
I'm absolutely terrified of these plastic-wielding gamers. Save us, ASIO! Protect us from religious decorations!
Have you not heard of plastic guns being printed on 3D printers? Just imagine if a Call of Duty tween got a hold of a 3D printer? He's be spraying bullets with extreme accuracy while teabagging his victims and screaming obscenities he doesn't understand. Is that what you want?!
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I had no idea you could make guns with a 3D printer.
I'm adding 3D printer to my wishlist.
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The whole event turned out to be stupid when it was found that they raided a Shi'ite muslim house for suspicion of working with ISIS, who are a Sunni extremist sect. The organisation who ok'd that raid now have more powers ::)
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I had no idea you could make guns with a 3D printer.
I'm adding 3D printer to my wishlist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printed_firearms
Plans for a 3d printed BFG are still in the works.
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You can't 3D print an entire gun out of plastic. A lot of people are 3D printing lowers and various accessories, but the upper parts, such as the chamber, barrel, and slide must be machined out of metal.
Furthermore, the machinery required for creating a gun has been readily available to everyone (for a price) for longer than anyone on this forum has been alive. Making a gun is not rocket science and requires only an intermediate level of knowledge to create a working semi-auto. Whether the gun is actually good or not is another question.
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You can't 3D print an entire gun out of plastic. A lot of people are 3D printing lowers and various accessories, but the upper parts, such as the chamber, barrel, and slide must be machined out of metal.
Incorrect.
https://www.solidconcepts.com/news-releases/worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun-manufactured-solid-concepts/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7ZYKMBDm4M
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You can't 3D print an entire gun out of plastic. A lot of people are 3D printing lowers and various accessories, but the upper parts, such as the chamber, barrel, and slide must be machined out of metal.
Furthermore, the machinery required for creating a gun has been readily available to everyone (for a price) for longer than anyone on this forum has been alive. Making a gun is not rocket science and requires only an intermediate level of knowledge to create a working semi-auto. Whether the gun is actually good or not is another question.
Not according to this.
www.wired.com/2014/05/3d-printed-guns/
Imura assembles the handgun from plastic 3-D printed pieces, a few metal pins, screws and rubber bands, then test fires it with blanks.
Pins and screws, not barrel and chamber. But your point is made, for now.
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Incorrect.
https://www.solidconcepts.com/news-releases/worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun-manufactured-solid-concepts/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7ZYKMBDm4M
You can't 3D print an entire gun out of plastic.
Better up the prescription on those glasses, Markjo.
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>plastic
beaten to the punch
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You can't 3D print an entire gun out of plastic.
Better up the prescription on those glasses, Markjo.
Perhaps your memory is failing worse than my eyesight.
...but the upper parts, such as the chamber, barrel, and slide must be machined out of metal.
Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IylGx-48TUI
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>one of the guns exploded while firing.
Okay, markjo. I guess I didn't think I'd need to specify the metal is needed for the gun to actually kill other people.
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>one of the guns exploded while firing.
Okay, markjo. I guess I didn't think I'd need to specify the metal is needed for the gun to actually kill other people.
You're new here, aren't you? Besides, I've already shown that the metal parts of a gun can be printed, so the "all plastic" argument is irrelevant.
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>one of the guns exploded while firing.
Okay, markjo. I guess I didn't think I'd need to specify the metal is needed for the gun to actually kill other people.
And?
Just means stronger plastics are required.
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I'm sure there's plastics out there capable of being used, however I'm not sure if they can be printed.