The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Lord Dave on December 12, 2021, 05:23:16 PM
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... American society is.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-10/column-healthcare-billing-markups
Long story short:
Hospitals need to mark up prices by insane amounts to ensure insurance comapnies actually pay the cost of the item/service and to cover the cost of people with no insurance who can't pay.
This is what America wants. This is what they chose. That is why I don't think the system is broken. The system is working exactly as Americans want it to. The strong and financially stable get help but the weak and financially unstable are financially destroyed or killed.
And that, my friends, is the way America wants it.
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I mean, Donald Trump, Creationism, COVID vaccine denial... Yeah, by and large Americans are ignorant morons. :(
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... American society is.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-10/column-healthcare-billing-markups
Long story short:
Hospitals need to mark up prices by insane amounts to ensure insurance comapnies actually pay the cost of the item/service and to cover the cost of people with no insurance who can't pay.
This is what America wants. This is what they chose. That is why I don't think the system is broken. The system is working exactly as Americans want it to. The strong and financially stable get help but the weak and financially unstable are financially destroyed or killed.
And that, my friends, is the way America wants it.
No, that is the way the criminal syndicate of Bush and Clinton wanted it.
Prior to that family seizing power in the US, I paid not one red cent for any of my Healthcare. My insurance was full coverage. Every person who had any sort of factory job was in the same position - little to no premium for the coverage and at least 80/20 coverage for medical expenses, including prescriptions.
Get your story straight and stop posting lies.
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Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
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Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.
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Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.
You're so cute that you thought corporations ever cared about you.
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Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.
What measures were put in place (passed) by the Clinton and/or Bush administrations that changed US healthcare for the worse? All I remember is Hilary trying to get some healthcare reform passed but it failed.
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Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.
You're so cute that you thought corporations ever cared about you.
As if government does uh?
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Yeah Dave. You think the healthcare industry is capable of acting ethically on their own? Nuh-uh. It’s obvious that hospitals and insurance companies are victims of bad parenting.
It is obvious once Healthcare and the insurance companies were granted permission by their parents (Bush and Clinton) to treat the Healthcare process in the US in much the same way as auto maintenance, things were not going to back to the old way, when humanity actually meant something more than money.
You're so cute that you thought corporations ever cared about you.
As if government does uh?
I never said that.
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https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-07.html
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https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-07.html
What in all that made healthcare worse?
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https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-07.html
What in all that made healthcare worse?
Premiums costs rose, coverages went down.
Privatization of Medicare supplements.
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America is shit on many levels. Nothing new there. Who cares who broke it at the end of the day. It is what it is.
Shit
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America is shit on many levels. Nothing new there. Who cares who broke it at the end of the day. It is what it is.
Shit
^Written by a citizen of a shithole country that will place its own members of its legislature in quarantine, even if said member tests NEGATIVE!
FUCK AUSTRALIA and every single person that lives there.
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^Written by a citizen of a shithole country that will place its own members of its legislature in quarantine, even if said member tests NEGATIVE!
FUCK AUSTRALIA and every single person that lives there.
Is there any country, person or anything that isn't approved by Fox news that you don't curse with vile anger?
What about the island nation of Palau? How about gummy bears? Chocolate milk? Is there absolutely anything in your world that doesn't suck and piss you off?
I imagine it is a short list.
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^Written by a citizen of a shithole country that will place its own members of its legislature in quarantine, even if said member tests NEGATIVE!
FUCK AUSTRALIA and every single person that lives there.
Is there any country, person or anything that isn't approved by Fox news that you don't curse with vile anger?
What about the island nation of Palau? How about gummy bears? Chocolate milk? Is there absolutely anything in your world that doesn't suck and piss you off?
I imagine it is a short list.
I think he is just upset that a supposedly first world country is incapable of managing this pandemic.
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... American society is.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-10/column-healthcare-billing-markups
Long story short:
Hospitals need to mark up prices by insane amounts to ensure insurance comapnies actually pay the cost of the item/service and to cover the cost of people with no insurance who can't pay.
This is what America wants. This is what they chose. That is why I don't think the system is broken. The system is working exactly as Americans want it to. The strong and financially stable get help but the weak and financially unstable are financially destroyed or killed.
And that, my friends, is the way America wants it.
No, that is the way the criminal syndicate of Bush and Clinton wanted it.
Prior to that family seizing power in the US, I paid not one red cent for any of my Healthcare. My insurance was full coverage. Every person who had any sort of factory job was in the same position - little to no premium for the coverage and at least 80/20 coverage for medical expenses, including prescriptions.
Get your story straight and stop posting lies.
Well, I suppose when you're a kid you wouldn't pay anything.
I find it funny how you praise paying nothing for healthcare. Healthcare isn't free. Someone paid for it. And guess who that was? Employers.
You were enjoying someone else's profit like a communist. Fortunately companies wised up and began buying cheaper insurance that included co-pays and deductables while also taking health care out of your salary.
I mean, you still had a lifetime limit, of course. God forbid you cost the insurance company money. Lol.
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If anyone feels that an insurance company is raking in the bucks, big time, then why not just buy their stock and take your share of the profits? The same could go to any corporation that is involved in the health care industry. Most are large corporations with stock on sale in public markets that anyone can buy.
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If anyone feels that an insurance company is raking in the bucks, big time, then why not just buy their stock and take your share of the profits? The same could go to any corporation that is involved in the health care industry. Most are large corporations with stock on sale in public markets that anyone can buy.
Because you are not legally allowed to just 'buy stocks'. You need to have a certification to trade(or use a broker) and even then its a pain in the ass. Plus taxes.
Plus some of these shares are in the hundreds. It'll take decades to get your money's worth.
Example: anthem. Current worth: $430/ share. Had you purchased it a year ago, you'd be about $100 less poor per share. But still $300 in debt from buying the share.
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Somehow, I figured out how to buy & sell stocks when I was just 21 years old and didn’t have much money. These days it’s a whole lot easier. There are many online stockbrokers and once you have an account you can buy & sell using your computer. I’ve been doing it for many decades. You need to restrict your stock purchases to those ‘greedy’ companies who, in your opinion, are really screwing their customers and are racking in the money. What could go wrong with that strategy?
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Somehow, I figured out how to buy & sell stocks when I was just 21 years old and didn’t have much money. These days it’s a whole lot easier. There are many online stockbrokers and once you have an account you can buy & sell using your computer. I’ve been doing it for many decades. You need to restrict your stock purchases to those ‘greedy’ companies who, in your opinion, are really screwing their customers and are racking in the money. What could go wrong with that strategy?
Oh people can do it. But again, ya need money. And is it worth it? Like I could maybe buy 2 shares if Anthem. How long would it take before I had a profit? Or got dividends I could use to supplement my income?
For me, stocks would be an unstable savings account: maybe it goes up and maybe I lose a few hundred thousand dollars.
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Well, I suppose when you're a kid you wouldn't pay anything.
I clearly wrote "Everyone." I included no age restrictions.
I find it funny how you praise paying nothing for healthcare. Healthcare isn't free. Someone paid for it. And guess who that was? Employers.
Correct. It was part of competing for good employees, who accepted a good benefits package as part of being appropriately recompensed for their work.
You, being clueless about the value of of work, try to label it as some form of communism..
You were enjoying someone else's profit like a communist. Fortunately companies wised up and began buying cheaper insurance that included co-pays and deductables while also taking health care out of your salary.
I mean, you still had a lifetime limit, of course. God forbid you cost the insurance company money. Lol.
All incorrect, as pointed out.
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Yeah, I would say the US has a distinct problem in this realm:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Life_expectancy_vs_healthcare_spending.jpg)
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Yeah, I would say the US has a distinct problem in this realm:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Life_expectancy_vs_healthcare_spending.jpg)
Behold, the American DreamTM!
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Yeah, I would say the US has a distinct problem in this realm:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Life_expectancy_vs_healthcare_spending.jpg)
Behold, the American DreamTM!
The weak shall perish.
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Yeah, I would say the US has a distinct problem in this realm:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Life_expectancy_vs_healthcare_spending.jpg)
Behold, the American DreamTM!
The weak shall perish.
Survival of the richest
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Part of the problem is fat people being fat. You can increase your life expectancy by 10 years if you stop double fisting Big Macs.
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Part of the problem is fat people being fat. You can increase your life expectancy by 10 years if you stop double fisting Big Macs.
I support universal and free access to bariatric surgery for all Americans. The cost savings on healthcare for people who would otherwise suffer a heart attack, diabetes, ruined bones and joints, and mental health just to name a few, would run in the billions.
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Part of the problem is fat people being fat. You can increase your life expectancy by 10 years if you stop double fisting Big Macs.
This country's entire culture is consumption. Between the creation of absolute garbage food to pack as many calories into cheap ingredients as possible and the never ending advertisements for said garbage foods; we were encouraged to be fat. Not to mention, denied the healthcare and education to make better choices.
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Part of the problem is fat people being fat. You can increase your life expectancy by 10 years if you stop double fisting Big Macs.
Yep, people say that coronavirus has some big Pharma type conspiracy agenda behind it. But 70% of our health care expenditures are dealing with issues of lifestyle that we brought upon ourselves. They don't need coronavirus to attack us, they have TV and junk food.
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Part of the problem is fat people being fat. You can increase your life expectancy by 10 years if you stop double fisting Big Macs.
Yep, people say that coronavirus has some big Pharma type conspiracy agenda behind it. But 70% of our health care expenditures are dealing with issues of lifestyle that we brought upon ourselves. They don't need coronavirus to attack us, they have TV and junk food.
Nah.
70% is intentional inflation to ensure that insurance companies pay what the hospitals need them to pay.