The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: rooster on August 19, 2014, 01:31:47 AM
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I'm sure most of you have seen the trend where you either donate or dump a bucket of ice water on yourself and then challenge two others to do the same for the sake of raising money and awareness for Lou Gehrig's Disease. I haven't payed too much attention to it really. But then someone on my Facebook went on a big rant about how stupid and wasteful it is and how embarrassed she is of her country and generation. She urged these stupid people to donate water or money to people who need clean water.
Should we be embarrased? ALS Association has raised about 12 million dollars which is a huge increase from normal donations.
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I think it's great. Even if you opt out of the donation and dump water on your head, you have to nominate others, effectively raising awareness. The more people know about it, the more likely they are to donate. It's effective because it gives the population an opportunity to be the center of attention.
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But kids in Africa need that water! How dare we waste something so precious.
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The world is like a bajillion % water, dude. We just need to get our shit together and improve our ability to make clean drinking water out of sea water.
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The world is like a bajillion % water, dude. We just need to get our shit together and improve our ability to make clean drinking water out of sea water.
That's not how percentages work, you silly lemon.
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The if bucket trend is pretty well spread. I've seen bill gates do it.
If anything it makes amusing Facebook videos.
Also if I'm not mistaken, if the people you challenge do the ice bucket, you donate $10 per ice bucket. So $20 if both challengers do it.
As for wasting water: pfft. Its not like its a lot nor is it something we were gonna ship over to Africa anyway. And its water, the most abundant resource on the planet.
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Last I heard clean water is recyclable.
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I feel your pain roosroos. A guy on my wall just made a similar post filled with pretension and condescension.
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It's called slactivism.
#IceBucketChallenge: Why You're Not Really Helping
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Ugh, I hate all those posts and opinion pieces condemning little bits of online political involvement as 'slactivism'
Sure, sharing a video about something awful happeining, or signing an e-petition, or doing something like this ice bucket challenge might not change the world and there's almsot certainly more which can be done but at least it's something.
There are too many things which need action in the world for us to be dedicating ourselves to all of them, but when we see a problem, most people's natural reaction is to want to do something.
And raising a little bit of money or awareness is better than sitting on a proverbial high horse lecturing people that they're not doing enough.
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It's raised about 15 million dollars compared to what like 1 million last year? So it seems to be more than slactivism.
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But how long will it last before it burns itself out?
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But how long will it last before it burns itself out?
Even when it does burn itself out that money will still have been donated. Or are you saying it's only not slacktivism when you donate your time and money forever?
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It's directly tied to doing something concrete - namely, donating to this association, which saves it from being purely slacktivism. If it were just "lol I'm pouring water on my head to raise awareness/end ALS" like that stupid cartoon characters thing on Facebook, then it would be dumb and pointless.
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This is slacktivism: Slacktivist activities include signing Internet petitions,[2] joining a community organization without contributing to the organization's efforts, copying and pasting of social network statuses or messages or altering one's personal data or avatar on social network services.
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This is slacktivism: Slacktivist activities include signing Internet petitions,[2] joining a community organization without contributing to the organization's efforts, copying and pasting of social network statuses or messages or altering one's personal data or avatar on social network services.
And what? Sometimes just showing support can help a cause.It might be only marginally better than doing nothing at all but it is better.
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Em... it's just activism.
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The Africans need to sort themselves out. We have clean water because we have lots of water and we clean it.
We don't have lots of oil. Rather than sitting around begging the Arabs to do fundraisers and pour buckets of oil on themselves to donate us some oil, we either pay for it or attack the people who have it so we can have some. All this sitting around, looking dirty, complaining about disease, crying, saying how unfair life is ... if you want water, get off your little black behinds and go get some. >:(
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The Africans need to sort themselves out. We have clean water because we have lots of water and we clean it.
We don't have lots of oil. Rather than sitting around begging the Arabs to do fundraisers and pour buckets of oil on themselves to donate us some oil, we either pay for it or attack the people who have it so we can have some. All this sitting around, looking dirty, complaining about disease, crying, saying how unfair life is ... if you want water, get off your little black behinds and go get some. >:(
The Wisdom.
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A lot of the people I know that have done it haven't even mentioned it is for ALS.
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The Africans need to sort themselves out. We have clean water because we have lots of water and we clean it.
We don't have lots of oil. Rather than sitting around begging the Arabs to do fundraisers and pour buckets of oil on themselves to donate us some oil, we either pay for it or attack the people who have it so we can have some. All this sitting around, looking dirty, complaining about disease, crying, saying how unfair life is ... if you want water, get off your little black behinds and go get some. >:(
I honestly agree and the sentiment is more or less echoed in Ishmael. Some African populations (the ones that can't sustain themselves) need to balance out. If their resources can't provide for them then maybe they're too overpopulated. Instead, first world nations give them just enough to hang on in miserable conditions and rely on outside help for survival. It doesn't seem to really be helping.
A lot of the people I know that have done it haven't even mentioned it is for ALS.
This woman had no idea what it was for either which I thought was weird. Most people on twitter at least are tagging it ALS.
I'm just going to copy and paste her posts instead of taking the trouble to fuzz out her name:
How stupid do we look to countries who struggle to have clean drinking water when we're pouring it over our heads frivolously for "charities"... Couldn't we be... Sending water to countries in need instead or giving money to projects that provide the tools needed to filter water? Or any other number of things? Oh wait- but that's not instantaneous with your iPhone is it? Here's some links to look at first before wasting water [insert links].
And then this:
I have just been informed that if you tape yourself pouring a bucket of ice over your head then you don't "have" to donate to charity? Is that a tax write off? You don't ever have to donate to charity. You also don't have to exploit how much of a moron you are.
Look people- find something you love, find organizations who do it well, and give them a friggin dollar. I am so embarrassed by my generation/country/whatever right now.
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But how long will it last before it burns itself out?
Even when it does burn itself out that money will still have been donated. Or are you saying it's only not slacktivism when you donate your time and money forever?
It's slactivism when you would rather look like an idiot on YouTube to "raise awareness" than donate money. My guess is the most of the donations were given by the people who were smart enough to stay dry.
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But how long will it last before it burns itself out?
Even when it does burn itself out that money will still have been donated. Or are you saying it's only not slacktivism when you donate your time and money forever?
It's slactivism when you would rather look like an idiot on YouTube to "raise awareness" than donate money. My guess is the most of the donations were given by the people who were smart enough to stay dry.
But it is raising awareness. Just compare the numbers. Even if they didn't donate they did help to make it viral.
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My guess is the most of the donations were given by the people who were smart enough to stay dry.
Okay, but if I influence you to donate money to charity, money ends up being donated to charity. Yes, I could have donated myself - that doesn't change anything here, because I still played a part in something actually happening. For a big YouTuber, a single act of entertainment like this could easily influence hundreds of people to contribute. Sure, it doesn't feel as noble as doing something directly (and honestly probably isn't), but it's not slacktivism.
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African people without clean water are greater than fighting a disease in that woman's eyes apparently. Funny that people are doing exactly what she told them to, find a charity and donate, and yet she still bitches about them.
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African people without clean water are greater than fighting a disease in that woman's eyes apparently. Funny that people are doing exactly what she told them to, find a charity and donate, and yet she still bitches about them.
Yeah, I did point out that she doesn't seem to be letting people choose their charity - she said "they can choose, that's what the links are for." The two links to the charities she likes.
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If people in Africa are starving, then why do they have kids?
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If people in Africa are starving, then why do they have kids?
Is this a riddle?
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My guess is the most of the donations were given by the people who were smart enough to stay dry.
Okay, but if I influence you to donate money to charity, money ends up being donated to charity.
Why should you dumping a bucket of ice water on you head influence me to give money to charity?
Yes, I could have donated myself - that doesn't change anything here, because I still played a part in something actually happening.
Did you really play a part or did you just pass the buck (so to speak) to get others to donate for you?
For a big YouTuber, a single act of entertainment like this could easily influence hundreds of people to contribute. Sure, it doesn't feel as noble as doing something directly (and honestly probably isn't), but it's not slacktivism.
I think that this is a case where celebrity status can make a big difference. If Lebron James or Oprah do a publicity stunt like this for awareness, that's one thing. Somehow or other, I doubt that some random idiot pouring a bucket of ice water on their head is going to influence much of anybody to shell out any money. In fact, it'll probably just encourage people to dump ice water on their heads just to show how trendy they are.
If anything, I think that it's being done backwards. Instead, you should do it as a fund raiser. Say that for for a given amount of money pledged, then you'll dump the water on you head. This way you can say that you actually did something besides waste a bucket of ice water.
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My guess is the most of the donations were given by the people who were smart enough to stay dry.
Okay, but if I influence you to donate money to charity, money ends up being donated to charity.
Why should you dumping a bucket of ice water on you head influence me to give money to charity?
Yes, I could have donated myself - that doesn't change anything here, because I still played a part in something actually happening.
Did you really play a part or did you just pass the buck (so to speak) to get others to donate for you?
For a big YouTuber, a single act of entertainment like this could easily influence hundreds of people to contribute. Sure, it doesn't feel as noble as doing something directly (and honestly probably isn't), but it's not slacktivism.
I think that this is a case where celebrity status can make a big difference. If Lebron James or Oprah do a publicity stunt like this for awareness, that's one thing. Somehow or other, I doubt that some random idiot pouring a bucket of ice water on their head is going to influence much of anybody to shell out any money. In fact, it'll probably just encourage people to dump ice water on their heads just to show how trendy they are.
If anything, I think that it's being done backwards. Instead, you should do it as a fund raiser. Say that for for a given amount of money pledged, then you'll dump the water on you head. This way you can say that you actually did something besides waste a bucket of ice water.
Have you donated yet or just complained about people raising awareness?
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Have you donated yet or just complained about people raising awareness?
That's completely irrelevant. Don't make this personal.
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Have you donated yet or just complained about people raising awareness?
That's completely irrelevant. Don't make this personal.
Relax Herr Hussein. It would just be really ironic and funny if someone was a slactivist about slactivism.
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Have you donated yet or just complained about people raising awareness?
No, I have not donated money or ice water to ALS, and probably won't. However, I have donated several gallons of blood to the Red Cross over the years until I became ineligible. I've also contributed money to various charities through entry fees to running races and various other fund raisers. Then again, I also throw out a bunch African charity letters addressed to my parents who passed away more than 5 years ago.
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Have you donated yet or just complained about people raising awareness?
No, I have not donated money or ice water to ALS, and probably won't. However, I have donated several gallons of blood to the Red Cross over the years until I became ineligible. I've also contributed money to various charities through entry fees to running races and various other fund raisers. Then again, I also throw out a bunch African charity letters addressed to my parents who passed away more than 5 years ago.
You are a complicated man.
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Why should you dumping a bucket of ice water on you head influence me to give money to charity?
It doesn't matter why it works. It matters that it works. As for the why, I can only speculate. You might be a fan of mine, the entertainment from seeing me dump a bucket of water on my head put you in your sweet spot, and then I got all charismatic and asked you to fork over some of your money to a charity, and so you did. It might not work on you, personally, but it works on a lot of people.
Did you really play a part or did you just pass the buck (so to speak) to get others to donate for you?
I don't think that strictly matters, either. To me, what matters is that through my actions money has been donated.
I think that this is a case where celebrity status can make a big difference. If Lebron James or Oprah do a publicity stunt like this for awareness, that's one thing. Somehow or other, I doubt that some random idiot pouring a bucket of ice water on their head is going to influence much of anybody to shell out any money.
Well, yes and no. I dunno about outside of the UK, but here people frequently do things like shave their heads or play a racing video game for 32 hours straight for charity. Those two examples are things my friend has done, the first one being a "S(h)ave the fuzz?" vote, where through charity donations you got to decide whether or not he'd keep his scalp fuzzy or not. Whichever side donates more wins, and, well, he did have to shave his head. The latter was him and a few friends playing a game and streaming it. At some point one of them danced. In each case, he secured a reasonable amount of money (i think it was in the hundreds on both occasions) for some charity. Sure, it's not as big as it would be if a celebrity did it, but it still works.
In fact, it'll probably just encourage people to dump ice water on their heads just to show how trendy they are.
That will probably happen too, sure.
If anything, I think that it's being done backwards. Instead, you should do it as a fund raiser. Say that for for a given amount of money pledged, then you'll dump the water on you head. This way you can say that you actually did something besides waste a bucket of ice water.
I think that both methods have their pros and cons. Perhaps one would turn out to be objectively better than the other, I honestly don't know. However, I feel that my point still stands. Even if I can't tell whether or not this is the best way to do things, I can say with confidence that it's a way that works to some extent and is clearly not useless.
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Did you really play a part or did you just pass the buck (so to speak) to get others to donate for you?
I don't think that strictly matters, either. To me, what matters is that through my actions money has been donated.
Ah, but it does matter. If you're just dumping ice water over your head with no obligation to donate, then you're denying them any money that you would have otherwise given them.
A lot of people are treating it as get wet or donate. I'm saying that if you're going to do it, then do it right by getting wet and donating,
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This evening I put on a charity event at my local disabled centre. We have some really good paraolympic athletes there and they gave lessons to people in archery (for which one was gold medallist at the olympics). I got about 30 guys to go down and shoot arrows, eat a bbq and drink beer. Nice night out, money raised. No one humiliated themselves. Plenty of people tried something new, social evening, lots of laughs. Charity got money.
Downsides? Yes, we had a sweepstake on who would win the archery. Despite not ever doing it before, I won. I had to donate my winnings to charity too as it is just weird when you organise something, set the rules and then win yourself. Handing out the medals and announcing I had won ... mmm, I felt a bit sheepish.
Anyhoo, that's doing something for charity. Pouring a bucket of water on your head is just idiotic.
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Did you really play a part or did you just pass the buck (so to speak) to get others to donate for you?
I don't think that strictly matters, either. To me, what matters is that through my actions money has been donated.
Ah, but it does matter. If you're just dumping ice water over your head with no obligation to donate, then you're denying them any money that you would have otherwise given them.
A lot of people are treating it as get wet or donate. I'm saying that if you're going to do it, then do it right by getting wet and donating,
I was under the impression that it was "Get wet and whoever nominated me donates double or donate"?
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I've heard both ways. I guess it just depends on whether or not you want to donate. Maybe some people are just in it for the viral aspect, but I think most people are probably donating a littlle bit even if they choose the bucket.
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Looking at my facebook, girls are just using it to show how pointy their nipples are in white T-shirts. In a way, they are making an old man very happy. Its charity work.
Rooster, will you do the ice-bucket challenge for me in just a white T-shirt and knickers? No bra. That's cheating. You're donation will be gratefully accepted. Fuck the Africans.
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Well that didn't take long to take a turn for the perv.
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Well that didn't take long to take a turn for the perv.
Right after admitting that he rigged a contest for retarded people so that he could win. Classic Thork moment.
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No, there were no retarded people.
30 able bodied guys go to the event. A paraolympian (fine in every way except has shitty legs) then teaches us how to shoot with some other less successful disabled people.
I added a sweepstake to make a bit more money, but ended up winning the damn thing myself, so gave my winnings to charity too.
Upshot is, 30 people had fun and got drunk and fired arrows (yes, somehow I got us a beer permit whilst doing archery despite the obvious danger) and at the end they went home happy and the charity got some money.
I do this every couple of weeks. Some big events, mostly small. But its a few hundred quid every fortnight. Doing a big one for Halloween. A Halloween Ball. Already had 120 people booked at £45 a head. Run out of space annoyingly. Need to sort out to get even more people there and make even more money.
Anyway, I did say I did charity work but no bastard believed me. I've been doing it for years.
There is a thread on this forum that is 35 pages long saying how terrible I am. Its only because I do things like that I haven't killed myself because deep down, I'm not terrible. I'm fucking awesome! :D
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Welp, if there's one thing it does do, it's getting people on FES riled up about how terrible it is (without forgetting to mention how terrible they aren't).
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I have a tiny chest. No one would donate.
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You'd be surprised. Not all guys think that bigger is better.
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You'd be surprised. Not all guys think that bigger is better.
You're a dirty old man.
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The only thing that could be worse than reading about Thork's perversions is reading about markjo's. Someone please change the subject.
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I've seen some people joke about a boiling water challenge. The people I know are kinda sick.
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You'd be surprised. Not all guys think that bigger is better.
You're a dirty old man.
Correct, but irrelevant.
The only thing that could be worse than reading about Thork's perversions is reading about markjo's. Someone please change the subject.
What's so perverse about admiring nice boobs regardless of size? ???
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I've seen some people joke about a boiling water challenge. The people I know are kinda sick.
I was actually joking with my boss yesterday that the next viral charity video challenge will be the boilling water challenge.
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You're sick.
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Related:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24668661/former-titans-lb-tim-shaw-announces-he-has-als
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Related:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24668661/former-titans-lb-tim-shaw-announces-he-has-als
Yeah that was all on our local news today. I haven't brought it up here like I did on FB, but the cold water makes sense as far as athletes go. They're the ones who have coolers dumped on them after games and they are at risk for ALS if they have enough concussions without proper treatment.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DepakUSDtQE
Not sure there is much ice in there. >:(
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This seems to have turned into a competition among celebrities to see who is the cleverest or most superior.
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And still this goes on. Only the presence of ice is all but gone. In fact, I suspect a great many people are using warm water at this point and just pretending it is cold. >:(
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It seems that some people are having a difficult time with such a simple task:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBdi0qc1TNU
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If people in Africa are starving, then why do they have kids?
Is this a riddle?
No, I honestly want to know. If you barely have enough money to feed yourself, you're an irresponsible cunt if you make children.
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It's so they will have someone to look after them when they're old. They have a lot of kids because they aren't assured that all of them will live long enough to mind them.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-28925759
How many more lives will be lost to the ice bucket challenge? This madness must end!
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This is still a thing?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQT31Noq1eE
And trending on social media. God bless us well mannered English folk.
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There's now a Palestinian rubble bucket challenge.
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They better leave that little girl alone or she'll tell them to fuck right off! >o<
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I've been nominated, so I'm going to donate instead. Take that, friends.