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You should be able to model it on scale to back up your claim.
I could draw you a diagram I guess, but you can surely imagine this yourself. If an object is above a flat plane the all points on that plane are looking up at that object at an angle so have line of sight to it. Walk around a room illuminated by a lightbulb on the ceiling. Where in the room can you not see the lightbulb? Obviously in real life there will be things occluding the sun at times, which I'll come on to.
With the sun circling above, along with the celestial sphere, why would you not expect it to disappear from the view of persons in varying locations.

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Lots of things...distance for one, physical aspects of the aether for two, occluding objects for three
Taking those one by one
Distance - when you can't see things because they're too far away they don't just go from "you can see them" to "you can't". They get smaller and smaller until you can't see them any more. Or if the issue isn't angular size but visibility then they gradually fade out, like someone walking away from you on a foggy day. That isn't what we observe at sunset. The disc of the sun is dimmer because of the angle, but it doesn't just slowly fade out. It disappears behind the horizon. In all other experiences of something disappearing like that it's because it's going behind something. So no, us not being able to see the sun because of distance does not match what we observe.[/quote]
I addressed this fallacious response above.
Physical aspects of the aether - you're going to have to explain what that means. What aspects of the aether?
Aspects that would cause the light of the sun to be visible in some locations and not to be visible in others.

Occluding objects - Obviously the sun is occluded all the time, at the moment I can't see it because it's cloudy. And when the sun is low in the sky then you might not be able to see it because of nearby hills or buildings or whatever. But it doesn't go dark. The sunglight is still hitting the atmosphere and scattering and illuminating the ground. What is stopping that happening on a FE? I've explained why distance and visbility aren't the issues.
Addressed above.

It would also change significantly in angular size, angular speed and luminosity throughout the day as your distance to it varies. None of that happens.
Just another baseless statement based on your inability to envision alternate and, certainly possible, modes of operation.[/QUOTE]
It's "baseless" to state that objects get smaller in angular size as the distance between you and the object increases? ???
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Will you make up your own mind here for the benefit of the readership, please?

Why on earth would you claim the luminosity of the sun does not change throughout the day? Of course, it does.

Why on earth does the angular size of the sun actually appear larger to the naked eye at dawn and dusk? Of course, it does.

Just some of the possible effects of the aether.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: What is the true map of the earth?
« on: May 02, 2024, 07:01:44 PM »


Those numbers are around the plane's cruise speed. But the plane should not be traveling at a speed around its cruising speed, since we know that on long haul flights planes across the oceans planes use jet streams to reach their location. It would be traveling the plane's cruising speed + jet stream.

Jetstreams even enable supersonic flight for commercial aircraft.

On the flight trackers there have been some interesting anomalies. Jeran shows at the 1h32m mark of the following video about the flight between Auckland and Santiago that True Airspeed can be seen to far exceed ground speed. Over the course of the flight the True Airspeed is either "N/A" or shows quite fast speeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKKHY72x3ZU




A jetstream is just a wind, and I accounted for it in my calculation.  A look at any jetstream map will show that they are predominently westerly in the southern hemisphere, which corresponds with my previous statement and, if it is assisting the eastbound flight will it not be hindering the westbound which is occuring simultaneously and at similar latitudes? 

We've also done Jeran's thing before.  Simultaneous to the "supersonic" speeds is a series of altitude changes which an F-16 would struggle with.  Its just a batch of missing data on aircraft position; when it recovers the position data it integrates the delta-position over time to determine speed.
How did you account for it? Can you show the calculation?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: What is the true map of the earth?
« on: May 02, 2024, 05:00:18 PM »
The sun can't set on a FE where the sun is above the plane of the earth at all times.
Do you have evidence to back up this outright lie?
Yes. The evidence is that if the sun is a few thousand miles above a flat earth then you would have a clear line of sight to it at all time.
A statement made by some random contributor to this forum does not constitute evidence.

You should be able to model it on scale to back up your claim.

What would stop you seeing it?

Lots of things...distance for one, physical aspects of the aether for two, occluding objects for three...I could go on.

It would also change significantly in angular size, angular speed and luminosity throughout the day as your distance to it varies. None of that happens.
Just another baseless statement based on your inability to envision alternate and, certainly possible, modes of operation.
All that is in the context of the mainstream physics. You may have other mechanisms to explain this - EA, some magnification effect and I'm not sure about the luminosity one - the sun does admittedly change at sunset, but not during most of the day as it surely would if the sun was at a significantly different distance.

As I said, EA is a reasonable explanation. It's better than "perspective" which makes no sense at all. But it is at best a hypothesis, not a well formed theory.
"Mainstream physics"...joyfully uttered by most typical RE-zealots who visit this forum, as if they have any sort of grasp as to meaning.

You, of all contributors here, have the least amount of standing (based on the evidence of your posting history), to even include such a term in any of your posts.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: What is the true map of the earth?
« on: May 02, 2024, 03:57:08 PM »
The sun can't set on a FE where the sun is above the plane of the earth at all times.
Do you have evidence to back up this outright lie?

Why do you persist in repeatedly writing this outright lie on this forum?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: What is the true map of the earth?
« on: May 02, 2024, 12:49:30 PM »
The answer to this question is entirely dependent on the purpose for which it was asked.

No one navigates utilizing a map of the entire earth.

Waypoints utilized for navigation by seafarers and aviators have been transcribed to the flat earth plane utilizing overhead coordinates of matching guiding light points from the celestial sphere above our heads.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots
« on: April 23, 2024, 02:16:00 PM »
Thanks for highlighting the CDC was attempting to cover up the reports.

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As I mentioned to Tom, the desktop model setup in the YouTube video is highly inaccurate because A) the Earth's atmosphere is being represented by a solid piece of magnifying glass and B) the local spotlight Sun is represented as being very large in scale (almost 1:1 scale using a flashlight) to the diameter of the flat earth plane.

Where do you come up with the idea the source of the light used in the video is on a scale of 1:1 to the map?

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There might be a time when two of the three southern continent locations such as South America and Africa see the night stars at the same time, but never all three (South America, Africa and Australia) at the same time.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

Here is summer on June 21, 2021 with added green marker for "a star":




Nice cherry picking of data.  You've been shown before that this isn't true.

From the same website:



Now locate the star between the southern tip of Aftica and Madagascar on your monopole map and all three continents can view it at the same time except that South America and Australia will be looking nowhere near south as happens in reality.
And you can keep claiming that Octantis can be seen at all three locations at the same time and that is simply a lie. There is no verified instance of this ever happening.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 17, 2024, 05:20:26 PM »
Quite by chance I came across this short explanation of the path of an eclipse on a round earth:



You might find it answers some of the above questions.
If there was ever more solid evidence of a pure bot thread response than ^this, I would be shocked.

Reposts a video already posted in the same thread and introduces it as something happened upon "quite by chance."

I mean, you're shitting me, right?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots
« on: April 12, 2024, 02:30:42 PM »
The V-Safe is where the data screened from VAERS (by the CDC) is presented. That had nothing to do with the VAERS reports.

At this point, the CDC has looked at 780,000 reports of injury from the coof vaxx and has confirmed they are legitimate.

The article linked by Dr. Mittal states a lawsuit needed to be filed just to get access to this data from the CDC.

Sounds like a coverup, uh?

https://meganredshaw.substack.com/p/cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=395439&post_id=143267075&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2s9pt&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots
« on: April 12, 2024, 02:17:29 PM »
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2

"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."

780,000...that is a fairly large number.

780,000 people who posted whatever they wanted at anytime.  Yep, totally legitimate and helpful and in no way able to be abused.
I think you fail to realize these are reports that have been screened by the CDC and have been found to be legitimate.

"Talaat says the best source of research stemming from VAERS is the CDC, because they are able to trace the records backward and verify them."
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt

Which hasn't been done.

https://icandecide.org/v-safe-data/

Read em for yourself.  The raw data (which you are referencing) has alot of "no." "None" "just got the shot" "soreness" , etc...

So its much, much less than what you wrote.
Incorrect.

The CDC has screened the VAERS.

ICAN has absolutely nothing to do with the report issued by the CDC.

You are being highly disingenuous with your posts, when there is absolutely no reason to do so except to spread deliberately false information.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots
« on: April 12, 2024, 01:13:32 PM »
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2

"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."

780,000...that is a fairly large number.

780,000 people who posted whatever they wanted at anytime.  Yep, totally legitimate and helpful and in no way able to be abused.
I think you fail to realize these are reports that have been screened by the CDC and have been found to be legitimate.

"Talaat says the best source of research stemming from VAERS is the CDC, because they are able to trace the records backward and verify them."
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots
« on: April 12, 2024, 12:22:42 PM »
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/draryan_cdc-releases-780000-covid-vaccine-injury-activity-7181846614393655296-leK2

"Despite what the CDC says, it’s unclear whether the agency was asleep at the wheel or intentionally steering the Titanic into an iceberg."

780,000...that is a fairly large number.

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A good read concerning this case is Outrage: The Five Reasons Why O. J. Simpson Got Away with Murder.

Highly suggested.

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A great tragedy has occurred as the true killers of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman will now go scot-free.

If there is a hell, this POS will now take his place next to Johnnie Cochrane and F Lee Bailey.

I remember the DNA evidence and what Barry Scheck had to say about it. The thing is, Scheck actually made his living getting people off death row due to the incontrovertible nature of DNA evidence.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/oj-simpson-dead-at-age-76-family-confirms-5626890?utm_source=RTNews&src_src=RTNews&utm_campaign=rtbreaking-2024-04-11-1&src_cmp=rtbreaking-2024-04-11-1&utm_medium=email&est=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa%2BcidhsJxcPN%2FrQut3NAH7F5ww0LIzwgbOIBKcVOYUPVwjDotRvn

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 09, 2024, 02:24:02 PM »
There is nothing indicating this system is based on RE. It is simply pattern based.

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The coordinates of the Sun used in these eclipse predictions have been calculated on the basis of the JPL DE406 solar system ephemeris. This ephemeris consists of computer representations of the positions, velocities and accelerations of major Solar System bodies

And from:

https://eclipsewise.com/help/jpl-de.html

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The observational data in the fits has been an evolving set, including: ranges (distances) to planets measured by radio signals from spacecraft, direct radar-ranging of planets, two-dimensional position fixes (on the plane of the sky) by VLBI of spacecraft, transit and CCD telescopic observations of planets and small bodies, and laser-ranging of retroreflectors on the Moon, among others.
What does any of these statements mean relative to the shape of the earth?
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Of course they are not wrong. When you have a couple of thousand years of observing repeating patterns, you can pretty much write that down.
Again, the pattern only gives you a fairly rough indication of where and when the eclipse will be. To predict it to the accuracy they do now you have to do a load of more complicated modelling and they do that using a model of the solar system, not a FE model.
They do it using a pattern of historical movements of the sun and moon relative to the celestial sphere coordinates. It has nothing to do with RE or FE.


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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: I am wondering why I do not see...
« on: April 08, 2024, 07:13:26 PM »
If the Saros cycles originated with a culture adhering to a Flat Earth system, and that is what predicts the paths, then that is the FE method.
Saros cycles don't predict the exact path.
This site has a list of past and future eclipses, including today's, and explains how the predictions are calculated:

https://eclipsewise.com/solar/SEhelp/de406-predictions.html
There is nothing indicating this system is based on RE. It is simply pattern based.

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The coordinates of the Sun used in these eclipse predictions have been calculated on the basis of the JPL DE406 solar system ephemeris. This ephemeris consists of computer representations of the positions, velocities and accelerations of major Solar System bodies

Doesn't sound like a FE way of doing it to me. There's a lot of people booking hotel rooms on the basis of predictions like this, I reckon we'd know about it if they were wrong.
Of course they are not wrong. When you have a couple of thousand years of observing repeating patterns, you can pretty much write that down.

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