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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 06, 2018, 10:35:26 AM »

Beside that I'm still waiting for you pointing out some non-low content posts in the list of Junker's posts to convince me that the moderation on this forum is fair and neutral.

What list of posts? Junker hardly ever posts in the upper. I've addressed the one recent case that you've been whinging about.

See my post here:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=9867.msg154653#msg154653

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 05, 2018, 01:09:37 PM »

Beside that I'm still waiting for you pointing out some non-low content posts in the list of Junker's posts to convince me that the moderation on this forum is fair and neutral.

I still have the impression, that the core flat earth believer members of this forum can post whatever they like and don't have to care for the forum rules, while other people get warnings, bans or have their posts and threads removed from the public forums, because moderators, especially Junker, are biased in doing their job.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 05, 2018, 01:04:00 PM »

Then I can only repeat my heartfelt recommendation to find a place that suits you better. Unfortunately, your ad hominems will live in AR. If you can't handle being insulted, you'll just have to deal with not insulting people around here.

It is not insulting to tell you that scientist are not taking the flat earth idea serious. Or do you know a real, active scientist working at a university or equivalent scientific institution taking this idea serious? I don't know any and never heard about one. It's just a description of the status quo, if you like it or not.   

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Flat Earth Projects / Re: Wiki entry for Universal Acceleration

« on: June 05, 2018, 12:56:24 PM »

[lots of rambling]

But gravitational fields are not homogeneous, they are gradient fields, therefor the acceleration is not constant and the equivalence principle is not valid within an entire gravitational field.               

Isn't it just fantastic that we're not considering just an acceleration, then? It would be preferable if, in the future, you could try to stay on topic.

The starting point of my post was your false reference to special relativity. You're borrowing a concept of general relativity and as an advice to understand your concept you refer to special relativity...

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 05, 2018, 11:15:08 AM »

I don't like places where moderators are fine with commenting posts with "fuck you" etc. If you need this style of discussion for what ever purpose, I'm fine with that. But this style is not for me. In that sense this practically restricts this type of discussions for me.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Southern Sky. Need explanations

« on: June 05, 2018, 09:22:06 AM »

I never heard about funding for projects regarding "round earth theory", never I came across a colleague doing research on "round earth theory", I also never found a physics or astronomy book about "round earth theory" and as far as I know there are no courses or lectures on "round earth theory" at any university.

It's sounds to me like something made up to justify the term "flat earth theory", analogous to terms conflicting models like "geocentic" and "heliocentric".

But maybe the experts here can point to any funded projects on "round earth theory".   

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 05, 2018, 08:40:51 AM »

I fully agree, but the problem is, you're in general not allowed to formulate this or discuss about this.

Who's stopping you?

You, Junker? Usually threads or posts with meta-discussions about the concept of flat earth as such, perception of flat earth/earthers, mindset of flat-earthers and so on are removed from the standard forums. E.g. yesterday you moved a whole thread to angry ranting, even though no one was either angry or ranting.

Or take the post where Junker called me a moron afterwards, I was just explaining that in the scientific community your whole idea and movement  is neither taken serious nor of any relevance. This is just a description from inside the scientific community. Why is this moved to angry ranting, its just a description of the status quo? For me this looks like, you don't apprecheate this kind of discussion. 

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 05, 2018, 07:19:15 AM »

ultimately the problem is that a bunch of y'all are taking this place way too seriously.  i don't mean that to sound insulting, but there's just nothing here worth being bothered by. 

I fully agree, but the problem is, you're in general not allowed to formulate this or discuss about this. Which I think should be be part of a honest discussion.   

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 05, 2018, 07:16:11 AM »

So you think, Junker is always the victim that is only provoked to be insulting or low contend posting?   

No. We're talking about one specific thread.

No, just as an specific example. I also linked to all the post of Junker, and at least I couldn't find any post on the first pages of that list by him that would not be regraded as low contend posts if they would be posted by some outside the core team of flat earth believers on this forum. And I don't mean his "you're warned" or "fuck you" posts, I mean the post that seemed be to be contributions to discussions.

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Flat Earth Projects / Re: Wiki entry for Universal Acceleration

« on: June 05, 2018, 07:08:26 AM »

So ...how long do you reckon Earth has been doing this?

Long enough for you to make your next statement. However, before you do so, make sure you familiarise yourself with basic Special Relativity, most importantly the Lorentz transformation.

The equivalence principle, gravity, acceleration and so on are all part of general relativity. Special relativity only deals with reference systems that have relative velocity regarding each other.

The term "general relativity" was introduced to point out, that this includes also accelerated relative motions.

The equivalence principle was introduced by Einstein as an attempted to at least locally use the concept of special relativity in a gravitational field. It was never meant as way to replace gravity by acceleration on a planetary scale. If you're confined in a small region without any reference to the surrounding you cannot distinguish at a given point in spacetime if you are under the influence of a gravitational field or accelerated by another force because the laws of physics behave in the same manner.

But gravitational fields are not homogeneous, they are gradient fields, therefor the acceleration is not constant and the equivalence principle is not valid within an entire gravitational field.                 

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 04, 2018, 03:19:03 PM »

That said, there still is a difference, and one I highlighted more than once. In the event where one individual is provoked by another and fails to step back in time, it is the provoker who should be penalised, not the victim.

So you think, Junker is always the victim that is only provoked to be insulting or low contend posting?

So if I post something, Junker doesn't like for whatever reason, I should be penalized? Seriously? That's a wired debate culture...   

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 04, 2018, 03:13:18 PM »

Hexagon over here is of the opinion that we have no right to have AR in its current format. I genuinely can't muster any response other than "Well, we do have the right." I can see that he's taking it very seriously and personally, but I can offer no advice other than stepping back from the source of his frustrations.

This is not true. I have no problem with this, if anyone decides by himself to go there and make discussion in an insulting form. That's totally fine.

My problem is, that my posts are moved there and then an insulting response by a moderator is added there. It was not my decision to have a discussion with Junker there. I just read it while I was searching for my lost post.

I also have no problem with Junker removing my posts. If he doesn't like them, ok. It's fine. But there is no need to add insulting comments to them.

But my problem is, that posts by long time flat earth forum members that also do not fulfill the forum rules, are not moved and not even getting a warning. 

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 04, 2018, 02:57:23 PM »

The problem of misbehave and insult is not solved but just pretending not to read it.

I'm sorry that you dislike how this place works. It will continue to work the same way. If you don't like the fact that someone's insulting you in AR, you have the option of not visiting AR. If that's not enough for you, you have the option of not being on this site at all. There are plenty of other online forums which may suit you better.

I mean this sincerely - there's no need for you to suffer in an environment that you're not happy in. However, it is also no justification for you to demand that your hosts change everything for you.

Any of the posts Junker did there done by a "round earther" would be commented by Junker with  a "low contend be warned" post.

Well, no. It's the instigator that normally gets warned if he provokes someone - the person being provoked might get privately asked to tone it down, but that's that.

Your approach is an interesting one. You talk about things that "clearly" or "obviously" happen, but when faced with someone who disagrees, you're only capable of repeatedly restating your loaded assessment. It just doesn't inspire much confidence, you know?

Just have a look a Junker's list of postings and show me the ones that would not be counted as low content posting if done by someone else.

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=5232


Or could you explain me the substantial difference in content value between this two posts:

"This is typically the reply of the ignorant round earth logician. All hostility, no humility."

and

"i cant continue a debate with someone that doesnt exhibit intellectual honesty."

For the second one you gave a warning, the first one seems to be acceptable. Maybe you can explain why, so that in the future we have a better understanding of the forum rules and their interpretation by the moderators.   

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 04, 2018, 01:47:00 PM »

The problem of misbehave and insult is not solved but just pretending not to read it. There is pattern in Junkers behavior of moving posts and afterwards insulting the people.

Regarding the thread I linked in my last post. Any of the posts Junker did there done by a "round earther" would be commented by Junker with  a "low contend be warned" post. The forums are full of them. After 2, 3 warnings he is banning the people. The specific post I linked was not his first one in the thread. After so many of them followed by his usual warnings, he would ban the people immediately.

Personally, I can understand that you as long time collaborators are not enforcing all the rules to each other. I also would hesitate to ban a long term friend, but maybe you should try to do this not in such an obvious way.       

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 04, 2018, 12:20:17 PM »

But I don't care, where he is personally insulting me. Even if it is a personal message or whatever, he has no right do behave in that way. He needs to show a minimum of respect.

Right. Well, that's not how things work around here. The rules provide you with a helpful guide to this:

1. No personal attacks

Keep your posts civil and to the point, and don't insult others. If you have run out of valid contributions, simply do not post. The exception to this rule is in Complete Nonsense and Angry Ranting, where personal attacks are par for the course. If you do not like this, then don't post in those fora.

(Emphasis mine.)

Only problem is, that I have not posted in Angry ranting. I have no influence on Junker moving my posts there and insulting me personally. I have not chosen to post there which gives Junker a possibility to insult me according to you guidelines. In my eyes this a abuse of moderating power to move the discussion to a place that allows the moderator to personally attack the poster.

But there many any other examples with borderline post by Junker in the normal forums where he very frankly articulates his aversion against people who do not agree with him. E.g. his accusation of hostility yesterday here: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=9854.msg154402#msg154402

A post like that from a "round earther" would lead to immediate banning by him. This is clearly double standards in the moderation of this forum.   

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 04, 2018, 09:34:58 AM »

Junker to me: "Don't derail threads, moron."

Has this happened outside of CN/AR? If so, that's an issue.

It's part of a reply of him to one of my posts which he obviously didn't liked and then removed together with his reply. But I don't care, where he is personally insulting me. Even if it is a personal message or whatever, he has no right do behave in that way. He needs to show a minimum of respect. But it is obvious that he has problems to keep his personal aversion against people who do not share his world view under control. And this leads to a blatant abuse of his position as a moderator. 

The word moderator has the same origin as the word modest. You and your friends should keep this in mind. 

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods on this forum are biased and rubbish

« on: June 04, 2018, 07:12:06 AM »

There is definitely a problem with Junkers way of "moderating" this forum. A moderator insulting other people by calling them a "moron" (Junker to me: "Don't derail threads, moron.") or accusing them of hate etc. just because they disagree with him or asking him to clarify his statements is a no go (see the last thread where he "joined the discussion").

A moderator should have a neutral position in the discussion, he should not be biased to one side. The later one is very obvious regarding Junker. His friends can do low content posting as they like, can make fun remarks and jokes and he himself can insulting as he likes, while anything that only comes close to this results in accusations by him.   

What you would need is either a really neutral moderator or a so-called "round earther" moderator to compensate for the bias.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Cool Hard Logic - Testing Flattards - Part 1

« on: May 31, 2018, 03:25:48 PM »

If this is utter nonsense, is it then correct to assume, that you believe Australia has the size one can find in usual sources like maps, wikipedia and other encyclopedias? And if yes, do you believe the same for other countries and continents, or just for Australia?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Cool Hard Logic - Testing Flattards - Part 1

« on: May 31, 2018, 02:45:08 PM »

Sorry, I forgot to mention, that the Pac-Man effect is a necessity for the bipolar model... But, nothing is perfect...

Why is that?

[edit] Is it because to get from NW Aus to Japan, you have to go from bottom to top? Couldn't you roll it up like a cylinder?

Yes, if you're in the far east, no one can deny that you can go from there directly to a point in the far west without crossing the whole diameter of the disc. To explain this you need the pac-man effect.

Or look at the example in the wiki. Let's say you want to go from Peru to Indonesia. According to the map in the wiki you would have to cross South America, the Atlantic, Africa and the Indian Ocean. And then you would approach Indonesia from the west. But everyone who went there knows, that you can go straight east over the Pacific. So the plane or ship has to do it the pac-man way...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Electromagnetic Accelerator

« on: May 31, 2018, 02:34:21 PM »

If it is not a force, what is it? Acceleration is usually seen as originating in a force acting on an object which leads to a change of velocity and/or direction. Are there examples where something is accelerated without a force acting on it?

What else is affected? I'm not sure if light is seen here as electromagnetic wave. If yes, I would assume that also microwaves, radio-waves, THz radiation, x-rays, UV and IR light, etc. are effected. Something beyond that? Charged particles like electrons or protons? Also neutrons and neutrinos? The Higgs-Boson?