The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: juner on December 13, 2020, 07:55:35 PM
-
On the notion of Hunter Biden...
A couple of months ago, the NY Post had their Twitter account banned for breaking the story about crackhead Hunter Biden traveling the world and grifting on his dad's last name. No real reason was given for the ban, but news media as well as social media suppressed the story in an obvious attempt to keep the story from hurting Joe Biden's election chances. Seems they learned from last time when Comey came out about the Hillary email story just before the election and likely tipped the scales to Trump.
Back when the story broke, Hunter's business partner made a statement saying Joe Biden was also in on the scheme. The story was effectively buried and 69 50 members of the intelligence community signed a letter saying it looked like a rUsSiAn dISiNfOrMatiOn campaign.
Anyway, fast forward to now, turns out crackhead Hunter has been under investigation for a couple of years. It looks like Hunter may be in some rather serious legal trouble. I imagine a special council will be appointed prior to Sleepy Joe's inauguration and Joe himself has made it a point to say the DoJ will operate independently and free from political influence. Maybe Joe will pardon Hunter and then resign his post so Kamala can take her rightful place as co-person of the year President.
-
Maybe, just maybe, it will be realised that Hunter is not involved in his Dad's campaign, and does not form part of his administration.
Maybe it's inappropriate to be focusing on Hunter, given the four years of grift perpetuated by Ivanka/Jared, Eric and Don Junior, all of whom ARE working with father's campaign AND administration ... ?
-
Maybe, just maybe, it will be realised that Hunter is not involved in his Dad's campaign, and does not form part of his administration.
No one said Hunter was involved in the campaign or administration...
Maybe it's inappropriate to be focusing on Hunter, given the four years of grift perpetuated by Ivanka/Jared, Eric and Don Junior, all of whom ARE working with father's campaign AND administration ... ?
How is it inappropriate when Joe Biden is also implicated?
-
This information likely came from a Trump DoJ person.
And, sadly, its impossible to trust Trump and his administration.
Let me know when it reaches court.
-
Maybe it's inappropriate to be focusing on Hunter, given the four years of grift perpetuated by Ivanka/Jared, Eric and Don Junior, all of whom ARE working with father's campaign AND administration ... ?
How is it inappropriate when Joe Biden is also implicated?
He's not, at least according to the NY Post, which I assume based on the OP you don't feel has any reason to suppress it if he was.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/13/doj-probe-into-hunter-biden-extends-beyond-burisma-report/
Biden, who is assembling his Cabinet and administration in anticipation of entering the White House on Jan. 20, said he is “proud of my son.”
He is not believed to be a focus of the probe into Hunter.
-
He's not, at least according to the NY Post, which I assume based on the OP you don't feel has any reason to suppress it if he was.
Joe is implicated, according to Hunter's business partner, who of course may be lying. But, he would have first hand knowledge of the situation. The alleged Joe Biden involvement is related to, but still different from the years long investigation into Hunter's taxes. But, according to the story that is allowed to be discussed in the media currently, Sleepy Joe is not involved in Crackhead Hunter's tax fraud investigation, Joe was just taking 10% off the top of Hunter's schemes in China.
This information likely came from a Trump DoJ person.
And, sadly, its impossible to trust Trump and his administration.
Let me know when it reaches court.
Literally what?
-
No one said Hunter was involved in the campaign or administration...
So why do his affairs matter?
EDIT - missed the second quote, but someone else addressed it
Sleepy Joe is not involved in Crackhead Hunter's tax fraud investigation
Let us know when you have something more than schoolyard insults.
-
So why do his affairs matter?
Because Sleepy Joe is alleged to have been getting a cut off the top of Crackhead Hunter's dealings in China by one of the people directly involved in said dealings? I feel like you would have to be purposefully obtuse to not understand the potential problem here...
Let us know when you have something more than schoolyard insults.
I would suggest you go back and read the thread again to help clear up your apparent misunderstanding.
-
So why do his affairs matter?
Because Sleepy Joe is alleged to have been getting a cut off the top of Crackhead Hunter's dealings in China by one of the people directly involved in said dealings? I feel like you would have to be purposefully obtuse to not understand the potential problem here...
He's not, at least according to the NY Post, which I assume based on the OP you don't feel has any reason to suppress it if he was.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/13/doj-probe-into-hunter-biden-extends-beyond-burisma-report/
Let us know when you have something more than schoolyard insults.
I would suggest you go back and read the thread again to help clear up your apparent misunderstanding.
I'm not misunderstanding. Referring to "Sleepy Joe" and "Crackhead Hunter" is just childish wordplay. Why not move on from this to something substantial?
-
I'm not misunderstanding. Referring to "Sleepy Joe" and "Crackhead Hunter" is just childish wordplay. Why not move on from this to something substantial?
I have already covered the substance, which is what I suggested you go back and read again. Try not to get upset with me making fun of establishment figures you have no relation to...
-
There is no substance. Hunter is unconnected to the incoming administration, and the allegation of his father taking a cut appears to be unproven.
-
There is no substance.
False.
Hunter is unconnected to the incoming administration
Objectively false.
and the allegation of his father taking a cut appears to be unproven.
I am glad you are so convinced after spending no time looking into it or giving it any sort of critical thought. You are worse than what you are accusing Tom of in the Trump thread...
-
You are worse than what you are accusing Tom of in the Trump thread...
Which is ... what?
-
It’s possible Joe has kept clear of this, but that seems highly unlikely. I guess the real question will be to what degree these past events will influence the current administration.
-
junker, don't forget that engaging Tumeni on political issues is futile. He's literally a propaganda troll and should be treated as one. Make fun of the dumb things he says, don't get tilted by them
More to the point: American politics is fucked. You can argue that one side is less fucked than the other, but meh, they're both corrupt to the bone. I'm actually starting to hope that Trump manages to make a dent in the two-party system. "It needs to get worse before it gets better" and all that.
-
This information likely came from a Trump DoJ person.
And, sadly, its impossible to trust Trump and his administration.
Let me know when it reaches court.
Literally what?
You posted no source for your claim. Therefore I assumed it was an official announcement from the DoJ.
Now I see its a post from a newspaper and some guy whose being investigsted.
-
He's not, at least according to the NY Post, which I assume based on the OP you don't feel has any reason to suppress it if he was.
Joe is implicated, according to Hunter's business partner, who of course may be lying. But, he would have first hand knowledge of the situation. The alleged Joe Biden involvement is related to, but still different from the years long investigation into Hunter's taxes. But, according to the story that is allowed to be discussed in the media currently, Sleepy Joe is not involved in Crackhead Hunter's tax fraud investigation, Joe was just taking 10% off the top of Hunter's schemes in China.
Joe was implicated by Hunter's business partner, Tony Bobulinski. But then Fox did a little digging into the claims and didn't really come up with much to corroborate the claims:
Ex-Hunter Biden associate's records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions
Hunter Biden's former business partner Tony Bobulinski claimed this week that former Vice President Joe Biden had been involved in discussions about his son's business dealings, something the Democratic presidential nominee has repeatedly denied.
Fox News has reviewed emails from Bobulinski related to the venture — and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings with SinoHawk Holdings, or took any payments from them or the Chinese. Still, the issue does give rise to unanswered questions about how much the former vice president knew of his son's business arrangements at the time, an issue that President Trump recently spotlighted during his campaign.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions
Though questions still remained.
Then there was the whole Tucker Carlson debacle. Where, ultimately, after reviewing the infamous laptop, or thumbdrive, or something, Tucker basically said it wasn't worth pursuing because it was just all embarrassing stuff about Hunter and not related to Joe or the election.
Probably the bigger question Trump has is around Barr not coughing up the investigations into Hunter's taxes prior to the election. And, ultimately, we'll probably have 4 years of MAGAheads going after Joe as payback for the Dems going after Trump. Though, on the surface, tax evasion looks a lot different than alleged collusion with a foreign entity.
-
A couple of months ago, the NY Post had their Twitter account banned for breaking the story about crackhead Hunter Biden traveling the world and grifting on his dad's last name. No real reason was given for the ban, but news media as well as social media suppressed the story in an obvious attempt to keep the story from hurting Joe Biden's election chances. Seems they learned from last time when Comey came out about the Hillary email story just before the election and likely tipped the scales to Trump.
Back when the story broke, Hunter's business partner made a statement saying Joe Biden was also in on the scheme. The story was effectively buried and 69 50 members of the intelligence community signed a letter saying it looked like a rUsSiAn dISiNfOrMatiOn campaign.
Anyway, fast forward to now, turns out crackhead Hunter has been under investigation for a couple of years. It looks like Hunter may be in some rather serious legal trouble. I imagine a special council will be appointed prior to Sleepy Joe's inauguration and Joe himself has made it a point to say the DoJ will operate independently and free from political influence. Maybe Joe will pardon Hunter and then resign his post so Kamala can take her rightful place as co-person of the year President.
The NYP's story was not about Hunter Biden being a failson who trades on his father's name in general; it was specifically a dubious account (https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-hunter-joe-biden-giuliani-red-flags-disinformation-2020-10) of a laptop supposedly belonging to Hunter that supposedly had emails indicating that an executive at Burisma wanted to meet Joe Biden through him. There's no evidence that meeting happened, and Tony Bobulinski has no evidence beyond his own word that Joe was corrupt or in on anything. Bear in mind that the investigation into Burisma preceded (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-ukraine-buris/ukraine-agency-says-allegations-against-burisma-cover-period-before-biden-joined-idUSKBN1WC1LV) Hunter's employment with the company and Joe's demand that Viktor Shokin be fired. Conservatives and Trump fans want people to think that all these things happened at the same time, as though Biden was protecting his son by stepping in to get the prosecutor investigating his son's employer fired. The timeline shows that's simply not what happened.
Far from suppressing or burying it, other news outlets at the time tried to corroborate the story, and came back with nothing, largely due to Giuliani's refusal to share any of the evidence with non-conservative news outlets (his involvement is another major red flag that something about the story doesn't quite ring true), but even some conservative outlets were uneasy with what they had to work with. The WSJ were reportedly hesitant (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/hunter-biden-wall-street-journal-trump.html) to run a story on such shaky evidence, and Fox News is pretty open about the fact that they saw the evidence and found that (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions) none of it was particularly incriminating (like stack said). For their part, NBC (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/here-s-what-happened-when-nbc-news-tried-report-alleged-n1245533) and CBS (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post-story/) asked to look at the evidence and were turned down. The story simply went away because there were no further developments and nothing ever came of it.
Most importantly of all, none of this has anything to do with the investigation into Hunter's taxes. This recent news does not in any way vindicate Trump's clumsy attempts to smear Biden as corrupt because of his son, nor does it cast a negative light on recent efforts to push back against bullshit fake news stories meant to smear Trump's rivals. It's so clearly irrelevant that I'm not even sure what the point of bringing it up was.
-
it was specifically a dubious account (https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-hunter-joe-biden-giuliani-red-flags-disinformation-2020-10) of a laptop supposedly belonging to Hunter
That is a lot of words to say that it was Hunter's laptop... As far as I know, there has not been any denial that the laptop wasn't in fact Hunter's nor that the contents of said laptop are not authentic, but the FBI has the laptop as of a year ago so I am sure it will come out eventually.
Most importantly of all, none of this has anything to do with the investigation into Hunter's taxes.
Given that the full extent of the investigation is not yet known, it seems premature to make such a claim. If Crackhead Hunter was picking up bags of cash he wasn't paying taxes on, then it may easily all tie together. I am not sure how he had time to be making all this money though, between the crack smoking, fathering a random child, getting kicked out of the Navy for testing positive for cocaine a month after daddy got him an age exemption at 43, or banging his dead brother's widow. Busy guy, but I am sure it is totally on the up and up and that daddy had no idea whatsoever...
This recent news does not in any way vindicate Trump's clumsy attempts to smear Biden as corrupt because of his son, nor does it cast a negative light on recent efforts to push back against bullshit fake news stories meant to smear Trump's rivals.
Which story is fake news?
It's so clearly irrelevant that I'm not even sure what the point of bringing it up was.
Given your glaring bias, I can see why you think it is irrelevant. Maybe spend about 30 seconds giving the matter some critical thought on your own and try again.
-
Well ... from my recollection of laptopgate (which now seems like an eternity ago, with all the sh*t flying around DJT's presidency .....
it was specifically a dubious account (https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-hunter-joe-biden-giuliani-red-flags-disinformation-2020-10) of a laptop supposedly belonging to Hunter
That is a lot of words to say that it was Hunter's laptop... As far as I know, there has not been any denial that the laptop wasn't in fact Hunter's nor that the contents of said laptop are not authentic, but the FBI has the laptop as of a year ago so I am sure it will come out eventually.
As far as I saw, there was never any proof that it was Hunter's laptop, and credible evidence to show it was not.
1. The serial number was published as part of the "horde" recovered from it. Someone looked up the online warranty app for the supposed device, and concluded that one with that serial number would have been purchased AFTER the supposed date it was handed in for repair.
2. It was supposedly a Macbook, handed in to a shop which specialised in Mac repairs. Guiliani later appeared on Fox, purportedly with the 'laptop' involved, and held up an LG machine.
3. The shop owner claimed to have 'removed the hard drive' and sent it or a copy to Guiliani, and later either it or a copy to the FBI. So the story originally has the FBI with a hard drive, not the actual machine. Guiliani claims to have the actual machine, and went on camera, so ... the FBI has the actual machine? Nah... And how did Guiliani get the actual machine, when the shop owner claims to have sent him and the FBI only a hard drive?
Most importantly of all, none of this has anything to do with the investigation into Hunter's taxes.
Given that the full extent of the investigation is not yet known, it seems premature to make such a claim. If Crackhead Hunter ...
Schoolyard insults do not a valid case make.
This recent news does not in any way vindicate Trump's clumsy attempts to smear Biden as corrupt because of his son, nor does it cast a negative light on recent efforts to push back against bullshit fake news stories meant to smear Trump's rivals.
Which story is fake news?
See above. Seems to be a lot of dubious claims from Guiliani and others against Biden
It's so clearly irrelevant that I'm not even sure what the point of bringing it up was.
Given your glaring bias, I can see why you think it is irrelevant. Maybe spend about 30 seconds giving the matter some critical thought on your own and try again.
Right back at you, per the above. Back later with links to back up my recollections, if/when I can dredge them from my history.
-
If Crackhead Hunter was picking up bags of cash he wasn't paying taxes on, then it may easily all tie together. I am not sure how he had time to be making all this money though, between the crack smoking, fathering a random child, getting kicked out of the Navy for testing positive for cocaine a month after daddy got him an age exemption at 43, or banging his dead brother's widow. Busy guy, but I am sure it is totally on the up and up and that daddy had no idea whatsoever...
Given your glaring bias...
lol what is happening in this thread? did hunter biden bang your wife or something?
-
If Crackhead Hunter was picking up bags of cash he wasn't paying taxes on, then it may easily all tie together. I am not sure how he had time to be making all this money though, between the crack smoking, fathering a random child, getting kicked out of the Navy for testing positive for cocaine a month after daddy got him an age exemption at 43, or banging his dead brother's widow. Busy guy, but I am sure it is totally on the up and up and that daddy had no idea whatsoever...
Given your glaring bias...
lol what is happening in this thread? did hunter biden bang your wife or something?
What is happening is that I am interested in watching people defend a scumbag who quite possibly helped facilitate some corruption with the soon to be inaugurated President. The only reason folks are rushing to his defense is because he is on the right team (hence the title of the thread). Yes, I am saying mean things about said scumbag, but feel free to point out if any of them are not true.
If you are going to bother replying further, I would suggest adding something to the thread, as everyone else has managed to do so far. If you want to make le epic quips about me, you know the way to CN and AR.
-
I'm defending him because (a) the sons and daughter on one side have ALREADY been found guilty of corruption. The Trump adult children, Tiffany excluded, are forbidden from operating charities in New York. Done. Settled. Guilty. and (b) the case against Hunter, with regards to the laptop, falls apart under scrutiny. Examples Pt.1;
https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-reportedly-gave-hunters-laptop-to-rudy-speaks-out-in-bizarre-interview
"On Wednesday morning, the New York Post published a story alleging that Hunter Biden dropped off a laptop at a Delaware computer store for repair and that the device contained nefarious emails and photos.
The item was immediately viewed with suspicion, both for the timing of it—coming less than three weeks before the elections—and the path the laptop supposedly took. The Post said that “before turning over the gear,” the owner of the computer repair shop “made a copy of the hard drive and later gave it to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello.” The story alleged that the Biden son was setting up a meeting between a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm on which he served and his father, who was then the vice president. The Biden campaign has said no such meeting was scheduled.
On Wednesday afternoon, a group of reporters, among them a journalist for The Daily Beast, spoke with the owner of the shop, a man named John Paul Mac Isaac who lives in Wilmington, Delaware. The audio of that nearly hour-long question and answer session is below.
Mac Isaac appeared nervous throughout. Several times, he said he was scared for his life and for the lives of those he loved. He appeared not to have a grasp on the timeline of the laptop arriving at his shop and its disappearance from it. He also said the impeachment of President Trump was a “sham.” Social media postings indicate that Mac Isaac is an avid Trump supporter and voted for him in the 2016 election.
Mac Isaac said he had a medical condition that prevented him from actually seeing who dropped off the laptop but that he believed it to be Hunter Biden’s because of a sticker related to the Beau Biden Foundation that was on it. He said that Hunter Biden actually dropped off three laptops for repair, an abundance of hardware that he chalked up to the Biden son being “rich.”
Throughout the interview, Mac Isaac switched back and forth from saying he reached out to law enforcement after viewing the files in the laptop to saying that it was actually the Federal Bureau of Investigation that contacted him. At one point, Mac Isaac claimed that he was emailing someone from the FBI about the laptop. At another point he claimed a special agent from the Baltimore office had contacted him after he alerted the FBI to the device’s existence. At another point, he said the FBI reached out to him for “help accessing his drive.”
Example 2 - Giuliani acknowledges other news outlets wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole;
https://www.thedailybeast.com/giuliani-says-even-if-hunter-laptop-story-isnt-accurate-americans-are-entitled-to-know-it
"Giuliani recently acknowledged that he specifically peddled the salacious Hunter Biden laptop story to the New York Post because they wouldn’t “spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out.” Other news outlets have reportedly passed on reporting on the laptop material for fear that it can’t be verified ..."
Example 3 - the manufacture date is later than the supposed repair date;
https://twitter.com/spdustin/status/1316621229751762945?lang=en
"Docs show the laptop was dropped on Apr 12, 2019. They also show an external drive and its serial number.
Western Digital’s web site says that drive’s **3-year** warranty expires Apr 18, 2022…meaning it was manufactured Apr *18*, 2019." ...
Footnote;
https://eu.delawareonline.com/story/news/2020/11/24/hunter-biden-laptop-more-details-emerge-rudy-giuliani/6258517002/
"Ten days after the election, a sign on the repair shop’s door said it had closed. A neighbor said the owner had left town.
A slew of new information has surfaced in the weeks since, including details about the laptop’s journey from the repair shop to Giuliani's office.
Yet with fears of fake news flooding the nation's consciousness and Giuliani's resistance to share the source material, it remains unclear whether the emails purportedly found on the hard drive and that formed the basis of the disputed New York Post story are authentic. "
-
The only reason folks are rushing to his defense is because he is on the right team
Surely the only reason you're attacking him is because his father is on the "wrong" team for you?
-
The only reason folks are rushing to his defense is because he is on the right team
Surely the only reason you're attacking him is because his father is on the "wrong" team for you?
Lol. Lurk moar.
-
Surely the only reason you're attacking him is because his father is on the "wrong" team for you?
Tumeni, just because that's how you operate doesn't mean you should project your insecurities onto others. Junker is super obviously not a Republican/MAGA guy.
-
Surely the only reason you're attacking him is because his father is on the "wrong" team for you?
Tumeni, just because that's how you operate doesn't mean you should project your insecurities onto others. Junker is super obviously not a Republican/MAGA guy.
He's welcome to state, by his own hand, that this is not his motive, in the same way that I did when he suggested this was the motive of those defending HB.
-
Surely the only reason you're attacking him is because his father is on the "wrong" team for you?
Tumeni, just because that's how you operate doesn't mean you should project your insecurities onto others. Junker is super obviously not a Republican/MAGA guy.
He's welcome to state, by his own hand, that this is not his motive, in the same way that I did when he suggested this was the motive of those defending HB.
Ok Tomeni.
-
This is probably the best Tumeni self-dunk yet.
-
Surely the only reason you're attacking him is because his father is on the "wrong" team for you?
Tumeni, just because that's how you operate doesn't mean you should project your insecurities onto others. Junker is super obviously not a Republican/MAGA guy.
He's welcome to state, by his own hand, that this is not his motive, in the same way that I did when he suggested this was the motive of those defending HB.
Firstly, let me confirm that I am writing this with my own hands and not someone else's. Now that the hand situation has been clarified, I can also confirm that my motive in ripping on Hunter Biden is not because he is on the wrong team. You also won't get an argument from me that Trump and his kids are anything but corrupt scumbag grifters.
I mean, Democrats are still the wrong team at the end of the day, but the SPUSA isn't likely to gain much traction anytime soon so it seems that the center-right Democrat party is the best America can do.
-
Oh, I get it. Junker is essentially virtue-signalling with this thread. He wants us all to see that he's above the petty tribalism of being a Democrat or a Republican; he lets his conscience guide him. The rest of us (and the media of course), his point goes, are willing to defend someone very bad just because he's related to "our guy".
He also seems to be sending a message that he is against drugs and illegitimate parenting, hence his focus on Hunter's drug use and fathering of a bastard child, irrelevant to the matter at hand, but proof that Junker is better than Hunter.
Honk's almost surgically precise takedown of Junker's entire argument? Honk only posted it out of an inherent need to defend "his guy", so irrelevant. Junker is so far above partisan favoritism that he's willing to assume that two completely unrelated incidents are actually inextricably tied together, because of reasons.
I get it, Junker, you're a paragon of virtue. Good for you.
-
What I don't get is how did anyone but the FBI get this laptop?
As I understand it Hunter delivered his laptop to some shop to get it fixed. Someone there then contacted Rudy Gulianni and "gave" him the laptop.
So someone stole Hunter's laptop, managed to get in touch with Trump's personal lawyer, and get it to him. Sounds odd to me. Like, can I just call Rudy? Can Tom Bishop just send him a tweet saying he has massive evidence of voter fraud and get a meeting? Because that shit would be epic.
Then they break into the pc/email account on the PC. (A federal crime fyi)
And then claim to have a bunch of emails.
But also the FBI has it? And Rudy held it up on tv?
Is this all correct or am I missing something?
-
What I don't get is how did anyone but the FBI get this laptop?
As I understand it Hunter delivered his laptop to some shop to get it fixed. Someone there then contacted Rudy Gulianni and "gave" him the laptop.
So someone stole Hunter's laptop, managed to get in touch with Trump's personal lawyer, and get it to him. Sounds odd to me. Like, can I just call Rudy? Can Tom Bishop just send him a tweet saying he has massive evidence of voter fraud and get a meeting? Because that shit would be epic.
Then they break into the pc/email account on the PC. (A federal crime fyi)
After a certain period of time, ownership over the laptop is given to the repair shop since the laptop has been abandoned.
And then claim to have a bunch of emails.
But also the FBI has it? And Rudy held it up on tv?
Rudy held up some sort of prop. The real laptop was supposed to be a mac.
Is this all correct or am I missing something?
As to how he got in touch with Giuliani, I am not sure, I vaguely remember reading something about it and it wasn't like he called Rudy up.
-
Oh, I get it. Junker is essentially virtue-signalling with this thread. He wants us all to see that he's above the petty tribalism of being a Democrat or a Republican; he lets his conscience guide him. The rest of us (and the media of course), his point goes, are willing to defend someone very bad just because he's related to "our guy".
Okay but I enjoy petty tribalism. I've long been been a registered Democrat and I like dunking on Republicans.
He also seems to be sending a message that he is against drugs and illegitimate parenting, hence his focus on Hunter's drug use and fathering of a bastard child, irrelevant to the matter at hand, but proof that Junker is better than Hunter.
None of those things bother me and your last statement is simply a non-sequitur.
Honk's almost surgically precise takedown of Junker's entire argument?
I must have missed that part.
Honk only posted it out of an inherent need to defend "his guy", so irrelevant. Junker is so far above partisan favoritism that he's willing to assume that two completely unrelated incidents are actually inextricably tied together, because of reasons.
Yes, Saddam is a predictable neoliberal.
I get it, Junker, you're a paragon of virtue. Good for you.
I hope your Secret Santa got you a projector for Christmas.
-
tHE LefT eAts iTs PWN
-
What I don't get is how did anyone but the FBI get this laptop?
As I understand it Hunter delivered his laptop to some shop to get it fixed. Someone there then contacted Rudy Gulianni and "gave" him the laptop.
So someone stole Hunter's laptop, managed to get in touch with Trump's personal lawyer, and get it to him. Sounds odd to me. Like, can I just call Rudy? Can Tom Bishop just send him a tweet saying he has massive evidence of voter fraud and get a meeting? Because that shit would be epic.
Then they break into the pc/email account on the PC. (A federal crime fyi)
After a certain period of time, ownership over the laptop is given to the repair shop since the laptop has been abandoned.
And then claim to have a bunch of emails.
But also the FBI has it? And Rudy held it up on tv?
Rudy held up some sort of prop. The real laptop was supposed to be a mac.
Is this all correct or am I missing something?
As to how he got in touch with Giuliani, I am not sure, I vaguely remember reading something about it and it wasn't like he called Rudy up.
Wait...so it was a laptop that was there for a long time and abandoned? Seems... Odd. Like if I had incriminating evidence on my laptop, I'd be damn sure not to abandon it.
Also, if I'm a high ranking politician, I'm gonna make extra damn sure my kids do not "abandon" their electronic devices. That shit gets wiped and the hard drives smashed before I let them junk it.
This story sounds weirder and weirder.
-
I'm defending him because (a) the sons and daughter on one side have ALREADY been found guilty of corruption. The Trump adult children, Tiffany excluded, are forbidden from operating charities in New York. Done. Settled. Guilty. and (b) the case against Hunter, with regards to the laptop, falls apart under scrutiny. Examples Pt.1;
So your argument is.... But Trump!
Classic
-
I'm defending him because (a) the sons and daughter on one side have ALREADY been found guilty of corruption. The Trump adult children, Tiffany excluded, are forbidden from operating charities in New York. Done. Settled. Guilty. and (b) the case against Hunter, with regards to the laptop, falls apart under scrutiny. Examples Pt.1;
So your argument is.... But Trump!
Classic
Repubs have been dining out on "But Hillary's e-mails!" for four years.
-
tHE LefT eAts iTs PWN
Hmm... I don't like the idea that we should treat the infractions of a president differently based on party affiliation.
But to be clear on this, there's just not a lot that we know right now. Here's what we know.
There's a criminal investigation into Hunter Biden.
This investigation might be politically motivated but probably not.
And that's it.
Any allegations that this had anything to do with Biden are speculations at this point. Fortunately this isn't a matter up to the court of public opinion. He'll be investigated, then indicted or not. Then maybe found guilty or not. But if it isn't connected to the president then it's something that just doesn't matter all that much.
-
Given that the full extent of the investigation is not yet known, it seems premature to make such a claim. If Crackhead Hunter was picking up bags of cash he wasn't paying taxes on, then it may easily all tie together.
It hypothetically could, sure, but I could just as easily suppose that it could tie into Hunter trafficking drugs or embezzling large sums of money from business partners or clients. The only reason why you're treating "What if this means that Joe Biden is corrupt too?" as a reasonable inference and not an arbitrary speculation is because Trump aggressively pushed the narrative that Biden was corrupt and involved in his son's activities. I don't view his smear campaign as solid evidence, and so there's no reason to "connect" it to Hunter being investigated for his taxes.
I am not sure how he had time to be making all this money though, between the crack smoking, fathering a random child, getting kicked out of the Navy for testing positive for cocaine a month after daddy got him an age exemption at 43, or banging his dead brother's widow. Busy guy, but I am sure it is totally on the up and up and that daddy had no idea whatsoever...
Hunter has spent years as an investor and lobbyist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#Investor_and_lobbyist). I'm not going to argue that he doesn't owe this career to his name and connections, because of course he does, but that's where he's been making his money, and it's easy to see why these sorts of activities might draw the attention of the IRS without having to suppose that his politician father is being bribed or is otherwise complicit in criminal activity.
Which story is fake news?
The idea that the laptop and its contents implicate Joe Biden, which is how the NYP, along with Trump and his allies, spun the story. I think it's also fair to include the story that Trump first tried to smear Biden with - that he supposedly got Viktor Shokin fired to protect his corrupt son's employer from an investigation. Like I pointed out earlier, the timeline for those events simply doesn't support that narrative.
-
The only reason why you're treating "What if this means that Joe Biden is corrupt too?" as a reasonable inference and not an arbitrary speculation is because Trump aggressively pushed the narrative that Biden was corrupt and involved in his son's activities.
That actually isn't the reason at all. The primary reason is that someone directly involved in the grifting with Hunter Biden named Joe Biden being involved. Maybe he is lying, I am sure we will find out eventually.
-
The only reason why you're treating "What if this means that Joe Biden is corrupt too?" as a reasonable inference and not an arbitrary speculation is because Trump aggressively pushed the narrative that Biden was corrupt and involved in his son's activities.
That actually isn't the reason at all. The primary reason is that someone directly involved in the grifting with Hunter Biden named Joe Biden being involved. Maybe he is lying, I am sure we will find out eventually.
I think right now Hunter is only under investigation for Tax issues. Something about not declaring $400k. He doesn't appear to be investigated for any other nefarious deeds other than tax evasion. But for all I know, he'll get pinched for not paying taxes as alleged. Which doesn't seem to have anything to do with his Dad.
As for the other allegations that were previously put forth by the Guiliani laptop affair and the Tony what's-his-name business partner who implicated Hunter and the elder Biden in some sort of 'grifting', that was somewhat vetted by at least Fox and more specifically Tucker, and they didn't find much if anything. There might be something there, but that doesn't seem to be the current focus of any investigations as far as I'm aware.
So yeah, Hunter pretty much seems to be a first class fuck-up willing to skate on the family name. But I'm unclear as to if there's anything more than that in the mix. Presumably it will all come out in the wash.
-
Repubs have been dining out on "But Hillary's e-mails!" for four years.
So your response to someone pointing out that all you have to say is "b-b-but Trump!" is "BUT TRUMP!!!!"
Have you considered quitting while you're behind?
-
On the notion of Hunter Biden...
A couple of months ago, the NY Post had their Twitter account banned for breaking the story about crackhead Hunter Biden traveling the world and grifting on his dad's last name. No real reason was given for the ban, but news media as well as social media suppressed the story in an obvious attempt to keep the story from hurting Joe Biden's election chances. Seems they learned from last time when Comey came out about the Hillary email story just before the election and likely tipped the scales to Trump.
Back when the story broke, Hunter's business partner made a statement saying Joe Biden was also in on the scheme. The story was effectively buried and 69 50 members of the intelligence community signed a letter saying it looked like a rUsSiAn dISiNfOrMatiOn campaign.
Anyway, fast forward to now, turns out crackhead Hunter has been under investigation for a couple of years. It looks like Hunter may be in some rather serious legal trouble. I imagine a special council will be appointed prior to Sleepy Joe's inauguration and Joe himself has made it a point to say the DoJ will operate independently and free from political influence. Maybe Joe will pardon Hunter and then resign his post so Kamala can take her rightful place as co-person of the year President.
I think the real question is why was the media so fast in saying 'false claims" etc?
Nothing to see here, mostly peaceful protests and on and on
-
Look at the fools, fooled again? or just Karens...Transgenders wanting a free Dem handout. Filler up, bon appetit
These are our know it alls on this site. Amazing eh?
-
As far as I saw, there was never any proof that it was Hunter's laptop, and credible evidence to show it was not.
Yeah, this aged well...
-
As far as I saw, there was never any proof that it was Hunter's laptop, and credible evidence to show it was not.
Yeah, this aged well...
The Kremlin’s accusations MUST be true. They are super trustworthy and would never ever lie.
-
As far as I saw, there was never any proof that it was Hunter's laptop, and credible evidence to show it was not.
Yeah, this aged well...
Explain.
-
The NYT made a passing reference to files recovered from Hunter's laptop in a story about the investigation into him. Right-wing media and politicians are interpreting this as broad vindication for the entirety of the very sketchy story with very sketchy sourcing pushed by known liars back in 2020. The subject of whether or not the relevant laptop was really Hunter's was one of many valid questions the story raised, and confirmation of the fact now is far from a told-you-so moment.
-
As far as I saw, there was never any proof that it was Hunter's laptop, and credible evidence to show it was not.
Yeah, this aged well...
Yep.
Turns out theft of a laptop, breaking into a laptop, and then handing that laptop to the RNC, especially when the laptop is owned by the president's son... Is something republicans do.
Man, imagine if democrats stole Trump's phone...