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Flat Earth Community / Re: Not a believer but have a question

« on: December 03, 2018, 08:24:59 PM »

Just read the description of the launch today and all the different customers who think they have a satellite in orbit.  When those customers don't get the signals from the satellites then they will know that the launch was unsuccessful.  At that point they won't write a check to SpaceX.  Since SpaceX is a corporation it needs revenue to stay in business.  I've personally confirmed satellites are in orbit on a daily basis so I know that they are up there.  Of that, there's no doubt.  I idea that SpaceX could fail to get satellites into orbit time after time after time and not have customers publicly complain is not very likely.   

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Not a believer but have a question

« on: December 03, 2018, 08:09:43 PM »

Don't forget SpaceX.  I believe that they just launched a rocket today.  According to what I read, most of the payload was from customers who paid to have their satellites put into orbit.  I believe that the total number was 64 different satellites.  Are all the customers in on the conspiracy as well?  If they aren't then how will SpaceX explain to them that their satellites didn't make it to orbit?  Why would those customers pay SpaceX for something they didn't receive?  How can SpaceX then remain in business?  It's starting to get like trying to think honey Bees are fake while in the vicinity of a hive.  Either you believe in the space program or you have to figure out how a company like SpaceX can get away with a huge deception involving customers from all over the world.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there a Flat-Earth map I can use to actually navigate from A to B to C?

« on: December 03, 2018, 07:34:51 PM »

Many times we must respond often with a course change due to weather and/or other factors.  Other times the course may be clear and we can navigate the whole distance using a pre-programmed route. We rely on accurate charts EVERY time.  Our speed can vary due to winds and waves and the weather may be foggy or cloudy for more than 90% of the trip.   

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there a Flat-Earth map I can use to actually navigate from A to B to C?

« on: December 03, 2018, 06:56:17 PM »

Again, you are way off.  Our weather maps usually come from the Japanese or American weather bureaus and we get them via the internet via our KVH satellite system aboard ship.  At sea you can be 1000's of mile from any land and satellite is the only form of communication other than HF radio.  Yes, we also get our weather maps via HF weatherFAX but we used that mostly for backup in case the satellite system went off line.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Antarctic aspect of FET

« on: December 03, 2018, 06:31:57 PM »

If you are going to believe in a flat earth where the North Pole is at the center of the plate then you also have to believe that the South Pole is at the outer edge of the disk and can't be a single point.  There have been expeditions that have arrived from the North, gone to the South Pole, and departed continuing in straight line.  So the question remains, just where is the edge of the flat earth?  Is is at the South Pole or somewhere else?   

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Is there a Flat-Earth map I can use to actually navigate from A to B to C?

« on: December 03, 2018, 06:17:40 PM »

Your assessment of the necessity of maps at sea are totally incorrect.  Accurate maps are vital to the lives of the crew, the ship, and the cargo.  The trip from Shanghai, China to Long Beach, CA is more than 6000 miles.  You can have countless storms along the way that need to be avoided when possible.  It can be cloudy or foggy and you can't see any stars for a week at a time.  Often it is necessary to alter course to avoid a known storm that is visible on the satellite maps we get on a daily basis.  Do you really think that we turn left at the next wave and go 100 miles until we see a mermaid pointing us in the right direction?  Usually a container ship will carry 100's of millions of dollars worth of cargo.  Many shippers have their own trackers on top of the containers that can monitor the ship's progress.  They will immediately know if the ship has an incompetent navigation officer.  You can be sure that very little is left to chance.  There is a detailed voyage plan made out and check lists completed before the ship ever leaves the dock.  The trip is long, the weather can be bad, and very good detailed charts are vital to our very survival.  Our charts allow us to navigate a distance about the same as from going from New York to Los Angles and back again without ever seeing any kind of landmark and arrive at our destination safely and on time. 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earthers, how many of you believe in other conspiracy theories?

« on: December 03, 2018, 03:01:43 PM »

Is NASA guilty of murder?  Think about it.  If the space shuttle missions were all faked, then somehow all the shuttle mission crews must have been sequestered somewhere during the missions because obviously they couldn’t be at home while everyone thought they were in space.  The world witnessed the Columbia and Challenger disasters where the whole crew ‘died’.  If those NASA missions were faked, then either the whole crew on both those missions had to be murdered by NASA to enhance the conspiracy or at minimum somehow put into hiding somewhere.  I suppose that they all could have received some surgery to alter their appearance and moved to a hiding place somewhere else but then any contact with anyone outside the conspiracy would have to be prohibited. None of the astronauts could ever again be in contact with any family member who wasn’t an insider in the conspiracy. Maybe someday a company like 23andMe will discover something and bust the whole conspiracy wide open.  The other more obvious solution to the ‘problem’ would be that the NASA missions were all real. 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earthers, how many of you believe in other conspiracy theories?

« on: December 03, 2018, 04:59:55 AM »

All the people in the Mars lander control room celebrating the 'successful' landing on Mars must all be in on the conspiracy.  You can see that most of them are sitting in front on a computer screen intently watching something.  Maybe NASA screens their applicants not so much on any scientific abilities but on acting abilities.  If the people in the control room really are scientists and actually think the data that they are seeing really is from Mars then NASA must really have another 'back' room somewhere that feeds the scientists fake data and pictures from Mars.  Who knows what is really true?  Who are the real conspirators?  No matter where the real conspiracy really happens to be the amount of effort must be tremendous and take countless employees located somewhere.  All of them must be kept quiet or the whole thing would be bust wide open.  Is it possible that North Korea could be the real source of the NASA control room data?  That actually makes a certain amount of sense.  Any North Korean who tried to 'spill the beans' would just be promptly shot.  The other possibility is that the control room data could be coming from one of the permanent outposts in Antarctica.  Of course the bottom line is that there's either a big NASA conspiracy to defraud the public or the Mars mission actually happened as described.  Which is fact and which is just theory?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth Theory Unification Project - The Universal Accelerator

« on: December 03, 2018, 04:39:17 AM »

It looks like there's only one kind of mass in the universe.  There is an equivalence between inertial mass and the gravitational influence that's inherent in any mass.  Since water has inertial mass then it also has a gravitational influence (gravitational mass)  that's even acknowledged by this web site in the wiki since the tides are the gravitational influence between the water and the heavenly bodies.  It has been said on the wiki that there is a gravitational force on the earth but in a greatly diminished form.  I've not seen any equations for that 'greatly diminished' force.  That must mean that the force is really just unknown.  There also has been no explanation for how the heavenly bodies can 'selectively' exert a gravitational force on the earth's water and not on anything else.  It sure looks to me that the whole thing is just made up.  There's no good descriptions of how things work and no equations of force that describes the selectivity of the gravitational force.   

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth Theory Unification Project - The Universal Accelerator

« on: December 02, 2018, 06:50:28 PM »

My quandary was the aspect of selective gravitation.  A heavenly body can have a gravitational effect on the earth's oceans, but does that also mean that the earth's oceans have the same attraction to the heavenly bodies?  Then if the earth's oceans have a gravitational effect on a heavenly body why doesn't it have a similar effect on the earth itself?  Then why doesn't the earth itself have a gravitational effect on everything else?  The FET model has one mass attracting another mass selectively.  What is the differences in those masses?  What is the property of the mass of the ocean's water that allows it to be attracted to the heavenly bodies but not to anything else? 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth Theory Unification Project - The Universal Accelerator

« on: December 02, 2018, 05:26:29 PM »

The Wiki admits that the tides are caused by gravitational attraction to the heavenly bodies.  So gravity is possible under FET but just between unspecified heavenly bodies (including the moon, I believe) and the oceans on the surface of the earth. Where can I find an equation describing this force.  The RE folks have equations quantifying the strength of gravity.  In order to be taken seriously the FET folks will have to come up with some equations of their own.   

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Antarctic aspect of FET

« on: December 02, 2018, 05:15:12 PM »

Everyone knows there's some restrictions to travel in Antarctica.  That doesn't really matter.  The fact is that travel is possible.  To prove that the earth is not flat, all you have to do is travel to the South Pole.  Then have person A stand on one side of the pole and face South and person B stand on the opposite side facing South.  If they can see each other then you have just proved that the South Pole is not the edge of the earth.  Many people have come to the South Pole going directly South and have gone far enough that they then started going directly North.  On a disk you could go directly South forever or until you fell off the edge.  If the edge of the earth is not at the South Pole just where is it?   

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Antarctic aspect of FET

« on: December 02, 2018, 02:39:56 PM »

I have seen that YouTube video.  Yes, there are some restrictions.  They make sense.  You can easily die there.  I wouldn't want to go there without doing a lot of planning so I could come back alive.  For sure that can be done.  My sister & her husband did that last year and it worked out OK.  The point that I'm making is that there have been 1000's of people in and out of the Antarctic from all directions and no edge has been found.  Therefore no edge can exist.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Antarctic aspect of FET

« on: December 02, 2018, 02:33:01 PM »

The whole idea that the Antarctic is closed and inaccessible is totally incorrect.  Just look on the internet for all the expeditions (100s) that have taken place.  You have had people walking, skiing, biking, driving, & flying across the Antarctic continent.  There was even an account of a guy who was partly disabled, couldn't walk, and had to push himself to the South Pole.  The whole idea that there's any wall out there is not a viable option.  In fact the South Pole has been approached from multiple directions and no one has found an edge.  Without any kind of an edge, wall, or barrier of some kind the whole idea of a flat earth is completely unsupportable.  There as been no indication that the FET has claimed that all the Antarctic expeditions are faked like is claimed for the space program. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does the flat earth theory explain modern technology?

« on: December 02, 2018, 02:14:52 AM »

With a rock you just wouldn't see too much because the reference systems are so close.  With a satellite there's a bigger difference.  It's just relative after all. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Eratosthenes according to FE Wiki

« on: December 02, 2018, 01:50:05 AM »

My references show that Eratosthenes was recruited by Pharaoh Ptolemy III Euergetes to be the chief librarian at the Alexandria Library and that's why he moved there.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Eratosthenes according to FE Wiki

« on: December 02, 2018, 01:20:50 AM »

Now you are mixing up the Greeks up with the Egyptians.  It has been said that the Egyptians were 'light years' ahead of the Greeks at that time.  Alexandria had a nice library where Eratosthenes could check out books.  There's a great sea port there on the Med (I've even been there a couple of times) and some other Egyptians figured out how to build the pyramids.  No one knows if they had any help from aliens, however.   In any event, if I had to bet on an answer, I would bet on the side of Eratosthenes.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does the flat earth theory explain modern technology?

« on: December 02, 2018, 12:55:40 AM »

https://www.space.com/17661-theory-general-relativity.html

If you really want to blow your mind just study what gravity does to space-time.  A satellite orbiting the earth really thinks it's just going thru space in a straight line.  Normally if you want to change your direction in space-time it would require a force.  If space-time itself is what is changing direction then no force is necessary to maintain an orbit. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Eratosthenes according to FE Wiki

« on: December 02, 2018, 12:29:26 AM »

You don't need a reliable time system if everyone does their observations at local apparent noon on the summer solstice.  Let the sun be your clock.  The experiment probably took Eratosthenes years to complete.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: How does the flat earth theory explain modern technology?

« on: December 01, 2018, 10:19:28 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_cannonball

Just take a quick look at the link and it will answer all your concerns.