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Title: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Roundy on March 07, 2022, 12:21:19 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/03/06/putin-information-war-trump/

Well Action80 and Tom, keep doing what you're doing. It's exactly what Putin wants. It must be comforting letting others tell you what to do and think, rather than trying to do so on your own (I know, thinking for yourself is HARD, who has the energy)?

You're still puppets. It's just that now instead of the Right pulling your strings it's your beloved comrades in Mother Russia!
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 07, 2022, 12:44:35 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/03/06/putin-information-war-trump/

Well Action80 and Tom, keep doing what you're doing. It's exactly what Putin wants. It must be comforting letting others tell you what to do and think, rather than trying to do so on your own (I know, thinking for yourself is HARD, who has the energy)?

You're still puppets. It's just that now instead of the Right pulling your strings it's your beloved comrades in Mother Russia!
Did Bezos remember to send you the check on Friday?

I'm only asking because that fucker forgot to send me mine.

Do me a favor and let him know, will ya?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 07, 2022, 03:43:02 PM
To be fair I only hear this rhetoric from the QAnon branch of the Republican party.  Almost all Republican leadership strongly backs Ukraine.  I'm looking at the front page of Fox News and it is coming down way harder on Putin than it is on Biden.  And if Fox News is hammering anyone harder than Biden then that's really saying something.

It is possible that that'll change in the same way that "normal" Republicans adopted the positions of the insane Republicans.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 07, 2022, 07:16:06 PM
I think you mentioned me in this thread because I posted several times in messages and memes that I didn't care.

(https://i.ibb.co/zPsD957/rn-Zl-JGXa7-GMl.png)

Did you have a rebuttal for me for why I should care?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 07, 2022, 08:02:11 PM
I think you mentioned me in this thread because I posted several times in messages and memes that I didn't care.

(https://i.ibb.co/zPsD957/rn-Zl-JGXa7-GMl.png)

Did you have a rebuttal for me for why I should care?

Have you considered that shelling civilians is bad?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 07, 2022, 10:11:47 PM
I think you mentioned me in this thread because I posted several times in messages and memes that I didn't care.

(https://i.ibb.co/zPsD957/rn-Zl-JGXa7-GMl.png)

Did you have a rebuttal for me for why I should care?

Have you considered that shelling civilians is bad?

Yeah, I can cite several recent wars in Africa in which civilians died. I didn't see many people in the western liberal sphere waving flags for them, changing their profile pics on Twitter and Facebook, or making a big fuss about it. I didn't really care much about that either, to be honest. I don't see any reason to care about this more than other world conflicts.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 07, 2022, 10:41:40 PM
I think you mentioned me in this thread because I posted several times in messages and memes that I didn't care.

(https://i.ibb.co/zPsD957/rn-Zl-JGXa7-GMl.png)

Did you have a rebuttal for me for why I should care?

Have you considered that shelling civilians is bad?

Yeah, I can cite several recent wars in Africa in which civilians died. I didn't see many people in the western liberal sphere waving flags for them, changing their profile pics on Twitter and Facebook, or making a big fuss about it. I didn't really care much about that either, to be honest. I don't see any reason to care about this more than other world conflicts.

Because you're paying more for gas because of it while the african wars have no economic impact to you.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Iceman on March 07, 2022, 10:44:35 PM
And in Asia as well, Azerbaijan a few years back and currently in Myanmar.

I’m not sure how that devalues peoples’ outrage over what’s happening in Ukraine.

Especially in the west, as Russia has been the boogeyman for the last 75 years. The media adds some sensationalism, but this is a world superpower undertaking forceful expansion of a sovereign country. It’s #kindofabigdeal
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 07, 2022, 10:45:15 PM
I don't see any reason to care about this more than other world conflicts.

Because Russia is run by an autocrat who holds the keys to one of the largest nuclear arsenals on this planet?

I guess if you really believe that Putin is a nice guy who wants the best for the people of this nation, then I can understand why you don't care.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2022, 01:30:57 AM
Yeah, I can cite several recent wars in Africa in which civilians died. I didn't see many people in the western liberal sphere waving flags for them, changing their profile pics on Twitter and Facebook, or making a big fuss about it. I didn't really care much about that either, to be honest. I don't see any reason to care about this more than other world conflicts.

Because you're paying more for gas because of it while the african wars have no economic impact to you.

I am fairly sure that the price has increased because people care too much about this, issuing sanctions, after which Russia issues sanctions in response. If people did not care, the gas pump prices would be unaffected as they are during other non-cared about conflicts in the world. Therefore this gas issue is completely manufactured and not caring is the correct course of action.

Especially in the west, as Russia has been the boogeyman for the last 75 years. The media adds some sensationalism, but this is a world superpower undertaking forceful expansion of a sovereign country. It’s #kindofabigdeal

Like other superpowers like America or China have never invaded another country to install their own regime before.  ::)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2022, 02:45:15 AM
I think you mentioned me in this thread because I posted several times in messages and memes that I didn't care.

(https://i.ibb.co/zPsD957/rn-Zl-JGXa7-GMl.png)

Did you have a rebuttal for me for why I should care?

Have you considered that shelling civilians is bad?

Yeah, I can cite several recent wars in Africa in which civilians died. I didn't see many people in the western liberal sphere waving flags for them, changing their profile pics on Twitter and Facebook, or making a big fuss about it. I didn't really care much about that either, to be honest. I don't see any reason to care about this more than other world conflicts.

You never asked why you should care more than other conflicts, you asked why you should care, full stop. It’s too bad that wars don’t really concern you. It’s your world too.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2022, 02:48:14 AM
Yeah, I can cite several recent wars in Africa in which civilians died. I didn't see many people in the western liberal sphere waving flags for them, changing their profile pics on Twitter and Facebook, or making a big fuss about it. I didn't really care much about that either, to be honest. I don't see any reason to care about this more than other world conflicts.

Because you're paying more for gas because of it while the african wars have no economic impact to you.

I am fairly sure that the price has increased because people care too much about this, issuing sanctions, after which Russia issues sanctions in response. If people did not care, the gas pump prices would be unaffected as they are during other non-cared about conflicts in the world. Therefore this gas issue is completely manufactured and not caring is the correct course of action.

Especially in the west, as Russia has been the boogeyman for the last 75 years. The media adds some sensationalism, but this is a world superpower undertaking forceful expansion of a sovereign country. It’s #kindofabigdeal

Like other superpowers like America or China have never invaded another country to install their own regime before.  ::)

Look at that. You’re justifying your choice because the same action has been undertaken before. Remember getting mad because you thought Roundy was doing this?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 08, 2022, 05:51:09 AM
Yeah, I can cite several recent wars in Africa in which civilians died. I didn't see many people in the western liberal sphere waving flags for them, changing their profile pics on Twitter and Facebook, or making a big fuss about it. I didn't really care much about that either, to be honest. I don't see any reason to care about this more than other world conflicts.

Because you're paying more for gas because of it while the african wars have no economic impact to you.

I am fairly sure that the price has increased because people care too much about this, issuing sanctions, after which Russia issues sanctions in response. If people did not care, the gas pump prices would be unaffected as they are during other non-cared about conflicts in the world. Therefore this gas issue is completely manufactured and not caring is the correct course of action.

Especially in the west, as Russia has been the boogeyman for the last 75 years. The media adds some sensationalism, but this is a world superpower undertaking forceful expansion of a sovereign country. It’s #kindofabigdeal

Like other superpowers like America or China have never invaded another country to install their own regime before.  ::)

You're half right.
Russian oil is not being sanctioned, so thats not it.
What it is, is oil investors (so not you) who fear a supply disruption and therefore buy oil futures at a higher price.
This has been going on since the military buildup.

So if people who invest in oil didn't care about a potential supply disruption from Russia, the prices wouldn't change.

They do, so they did.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 08, 2022, 09:41:31 AM
It’s too bad that wars don’t really concern you. It’s your world too.
When can we expect to see your written condemnation of Fidel Turdeau's open funding of NEO-NAZI militias in Ukraine?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: AATW on March 08, 2022, 09:42:07 AM
Did you have a rebuttal for me for why I should care?
One might wish to consider what it says about a person if you have to explain to them why they should care about a war and innocent civilians being killed.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2022, 10:02:42 AM
It’s too bad that wars don’t really concern you. It’s your world too.
When can we expect to see your written condemnation of Fidel Turdeau's open funding of NEO-NAZI militias in Ukraine?

Primary source?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 08, 2022, 11:41:38 AM
Why would you need a source to state your opposition to such funding? You wouldn't be opposed?

"Over the last two weeks, Canada has sent Ukraine machine guns, carbines and handguns, along with 15 million rounds of ammunition. It has promised 4,500 M72 rocket launchers, up to 7,500 hand grenades and 100 Carl-Gustaf M2 anti-tank weapons, along with 2,000 rounds of ammunition."

You don't think NAZI's are using these, evidently.

"the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the U.S. Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn’t be used “to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.” Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard."

You and your beloved Fuhrer are really quite the couple!

But, you can rest easy in the comforting arms of all the rest of your SIEG HEIL buddies here, heartily hosted and welcomed by the Kaiser Parsifal.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 08, 2022, 12:21:09 PM
Did you have a rebuttal for me for why I should care?
innocent civilians being killed.
So, the pro-NAZI west media says that NAZI's who are killed happen to be innocent?

I find that utterly shocking and unbelievable! [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: AATW on March 08, 2022, 12:33:51 PM
So, the pro-NAZI west media says that NAZI's who are killed happen to be innocent?
I have a colleague who is Ukrainian and has spent much of the last couple of weeks trying to help friends and family who are fleeing in to Poland.
I'm pretty sure that neither my colleague nor his family are Nazis.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 08, 2022, 01:47:22 PM
So, the pro-NAZI west media says that NAZI's who are killed happen to be innocent?
I have a colleague who is Ukrainian and has spent much of the last couple of weeks trying to help friends and family who are fleeing in to Poland.
I'm pretty sure that neither my colleague nor his family are Nazis.
Well, if you're "pretty sure," I can sleep in confidence knowing the exact opposite is certain to be true.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2022, 02:05:14 PM
Why would you need a source to state your opposition to such funding? You wouldn't be opposed?

"Over the last two weeks, Canada has sent Ukraine machine guns, carbines and handguns, along with 15 million rounds of ammunition. It has promised 4,500 M72 rocket launchers, up to 7,500 hand grenades and 100 Carl-Gustaf M2 anti-tank weapons, along with 2,000 rounds of ammunition."

You don't think NAZI's are using these, evidently.

"the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the U.S. Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn’t be used “to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.” Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard."

You and your beloved Fuhrer are really quite the couple!

But, you can rest easy in the comforting arms of all the rest of your SIEG HEIL buddies here, heartily hosted and welcomed by the Kaiser Parsifal.

I like to know I’m commenting on the truth. Hypothetically, I’m absolutely opposed to funding nazis. You appear to be quoting a source, can you please cite it?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2022, 02:07:59 PM

You're half right.
Russian oil is not being sanctioned, so thats not it.
What it is, is oil investors (so not you) who fear a supply disruption and therefore buy oil futures at a higher price.
This has been going on since the military buildup.

So if people who invest in oil didn't care about a potential supply disruption from Russia, the prices wouldn't change.

They do, so they did.

Incorrect. It's not only being talked about. Bans have already been happening. Companies have already imposed their own sanctions against Russia out of self righteousness:

Shell says it will stop buying Russian oil, natural gas (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/shell-stop-buying-russian-oil-natural-gas-83313762)

Major oil companies pull out of once-promising Russia (https://www.npr.org/2022/03/01/1083659975/oil-majors-pull-out-of-once-promising-russia)

BP quits Russia in up to $25 billion hit after Ukraine invasion (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/britains-bp-says-exit-stake-russian-oil-giant-rosneft-2022-02-27/)

Pravda.ru says that Russia has stopped oil supplies to the US:

Russia stops oil supplies to the US (https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150550-russia)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Allan S. on March 08, 2022, 02:19:37 PM
So, the pro-NAZI west media says that NAZI's who are killed happen to be innocent?
I have a colleague who is Ukrainian and has spent much of the last couple of weeks trying to help friends and family who are fleeing in to Poland.
I'm pretty sure that neither my colleague nor his family are Nazis.
Well, if you're "pretty sure," I can sleep in confidence knowing the exact opposite is certain to be true.
So you must be absolutely sure about someone's political agenda, or otherwise it's "certain to be true" that he's a Nazi's?

I dont know if I'm following you on that one. I'm pretty sure they know their colleague better than you do, because (to my knowledge) you don't really know anything about that colleague, except for his nationality.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2022, 02:37:22 PM

You're half right.
Russian oil is not being sanctioned, so thats not it.
What it is, is oil investors (so not you) who fear a supply disruption and therefore buy oil futures at a higher price.
This has been going on since the military buildup.

So if people who invest in oil didn't care about a potential supply disruption from Russia, the prices wouldn't change.

They do, so they did.

Incorrect. It's not only being talked about. Bans have already been happening. Companies have already imposed their own sanctions against Russia out of self righteousness:

Shell says it will stop buying Russian oil, natural gas (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/shell-stop-buying-russian-oil-natural-gas-83313762)

Major oil companies pull out of once-promising Russia (https://www.npr.org/2022/03/01/1083659975/oil-majors-pull-out-of-once-promising-russia)

BP quits Russia in up to $25 billion hit after Ukraine invasion (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/britains-bp-says-exit-stake-russian-oil-giant-rosneft-2022-02-27/)

Pravda.ru says that Russia has stopped oil supplies to the US:

Russia stops oil supplies to the US (https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150550-russia)

I’m not seeing anything about investors not fearing a supply disruption.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2022, 02:51:02 PM

You're half right.
Russian oil is not being sanctioned, so thats not it.
What it is, is oil investors (so not you) who fear a supply disruption and therefore buy oil futures at a higher price.
This has been going on since the military buildup.

So if people who invest in oil didn't care about a potential supply disruption from Russia, the prices wouldn't change.

They do, so they did.

Incorrect. It's not only being talked about. Bans have already been happening. Companies have already imposed their own sanctions against Russia out of self righteousness:

Shell says it will stop buying Russian oil, natural gas (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/shell-stop-buying-russian-oil-natural-gas-83313762)

Major oil companies pull out of once-promising Russia (https://www.npr.org/2022/03/01/1083659975/oil-majors-pull-out-of-once-promising-russia)

BP quits Russia in up to $25 billion hit after Ukraine invasion (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/britains-bp-says-exit-stake-russian-oil-giant-rosneft-2022-02-27/)

Pravda.ru says that Russia has stopped oil supplies to the US:

Russia stops oil supplies to the US (https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150550-russia)

I’m not seeing anything about investors not fearing a supply disruption.

I did not make any claims on that either way. I said that sanctions and bans are occurring, which they are.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 08, 2022, 04:00:37 PM

You're half right.
Russian oil is not being sanctioned, so thats not it.
What it is, is oil investors (so not you) who fear a supply disruption and therefore buy oil futures at a higher price.
This has been going on since the military buildup.

So if people who invest in oil didn't care about a potential supply disruption from Russia, the prices wouldn't change.

They do, so they did.

Incorrect. It's not only being talked about. Bans have already been happening. Companies have already imposed their own sanctions against Russia out of self righteousness:

Shell says it will stop buying Russian oil, natural gas (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/shell-stop-buying-russian-oil-natural-gas-83313762)

Major oil companies pull out of once-promising Russia (https://www.npr.org/2022/03/01/1083659975/oil-majors-pull-out-of-once-promising-russia)

BP quits Russia in up to $25 billion hit after Ukraine invasion (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/britains-bp-says-exit-stake-russian-oil-giant-rosneft-2022-02-27/)

Pravda.ru says that Russia has stopped oil supplies to the US:

Russia stops oil supplies to the US (https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150550-russia)

I’m not seeing anything about investors not fearing a supply disruption.

I did not make any claims on that either way. I said that sanctions and bans are occurring, which they are.
And yet you provide none.
Are you confused about Boycotts vs sanctions again?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2022, 04:02:58 PM
I think you need to look up the definition of sanction. It is not something that only a government does.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 08, 2022, 04:13:56 PM
So, the pro-NAZI west media says that NAZI's who are killed happen to be innocent?
I have a colleague who is Ukrainian and has spent much of the last couple of weeks trying to help friends and family who are fleeing in to Poland.
I'm pretty sure that neither my colleague nor his family are Nazis.
Well, if you're "pretty sure," I can sleep in confidence knowing the exact opposite is certain to be true.
So you must be absolutely sure about someone's political agenda, or otherwise, it's "certain to be true" that he's a Nazi's?
If they are from Ukraine, odds are that it is true they are a NAZI. All ethnic groups from that region have a long and storied history of nationalistic tendencies and a majority welcomed and supported NAZI Germany during the war. A majority of the Jews that served in the NAZI army had familial ties to this very region.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 08, 2022, 04:54:14 PM
I think you need to look up the definition of sanction. It is not something that only a government does.

See definitions in:
All
Law
Philosophy
Ecclesiastical
noun
1.
a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule.
"a range of sanctions aimed at deterring insider abuse"
Similar:
penalty
punishment
deterrent
punitive action
discipline
penalization
correction
retribution
embargo
ban
prohibition
boycott
barrier
restriction
tariff
Opposite:
reward
2.
official permission or approval for an action.
"he appealed to the bishop for his sanction"
Similar:
authorization
consent


Perhaps you could loan me your dictionary.  Maybe then you'll be able to figure out your problem.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 08, 2022, 04:59:11 PM
Why would you need a source to state your opposition to such funding? You wouldn't be opposed?

"Over the last two weeks, Canada has sent Ukraine machine guns, carbines and handguns, along with 15 million rounds of ammunition. It has promised 4,500 M72 rocket launchers, up to 7,500 hand grenades and 100 Carl-Gustaf M2 anti-tank weapons, along with 2,000 rounds of ammunition."

You don't think NAZI's are using these, evidently.

"the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the U.S. Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn’t be used “to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.” Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard."

You and your beloved Fuhrer are really quite the couple!

But, you can rest easy in the comforting arms of all the rest of your SIEG HEIL buddies here, heartily hosted and welcomed by the Kaiser Parsifal.

I like to know I’m commenting on the truth. Hypothetically, I’m absolutely opposed to funding nazis. You appear to be quoting a source, can you please cite it?
What if I told you I wrote that based on first-hand accounting during a trip to Ukraine? Would you believe it and then accept it? Or would you deny it more heartily?

You used the word HYPOTHETICALLY and ABSOLUTELY together in the SAME SENTENCE!!!

LMMFAO!!!

What a fucking treasure!
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2022, 05:17:34 PM
What if I told you I wrote that based on first-hand accounting during a trip to Ukraine? Would you believe it and then accept it?

Considering our history you wouldn’t be surprised that I ask for something more objective. I would also wonder why you put anything in quotes as well.

Quote
Of would you deny it more heartily.

Of would, indeed.

Quote
You used the word HYPOTHETICALLY and ABSOLUTELY together in the SAME SENTENCE!!!

LMMFAO!!!

What a fucking treasure!

Wow. You think you got me don’t you?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 08, 2022, 05:29:18 PM
Wow. You think you got me don’t you?
No, as usual, you got you.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2022, 05:37:14 PM
I think you need to look up the definition of sanction. It is not something that only a government does.

See definitions in:
All
Law
Philosophy
Ecclesiastical
noun
1.
a threatened penalty for disobeying a law or rule.
"a range of sanctions aimed at deterring insider abuse"
Similar:
penalty
punishment
deterrent
punitive action
discipline
penalization
correction
retribution
embargo
ban
prohibition
boycott
barrier
restriction
tariff
Opposite:
reward
2.
official permission or approval for an action.
"he appealed to the bishop for his sanction"
Similar:
authorization
consent


Perhaps you could loan me your dictionary.  Maybe then you'll be able to figure out your problem.

Please point out where it says that sanction means that it's something only a government does.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2022, 05:41:42 PM
Wow. You think you got me don’t you?
No, as usual, you got you.

Of would, I did.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 08, 2022, 10:04:23 PM
https://youtu.be/sd7eo9dJlWE
Here is why Putin is in Ukraine.

The NAZIs are committing acts of atrocity against ethnic groups and now threatening Zelensky with assassination.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2022, 10:14:51 PM
Here is why Putin is in Ukraine.

The NAZIs are committing acts of atrocity against ethnic groups and now threatening Zelensky with assassination.

Yes we know what the Russians are doing, but now tell us why they are there.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 08, 2022, 11:10:10 PM
https://youtu.be/sd7eo9dJlWE
Here is why Putin is in Ukraine.

The NAZIs are committing acts of atrocity against ethnic groups and now threatening Zelensky with assassination.

Alright.  Now we know what the most loathsome person on Youtube thinks of the situation.  A little tame.  Maybe get back to us when they discuss how Fauci is working with Ukraine to develop another covid pandemic.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: honk on March 09, 2022, 05:21:53 AM
To be fair I only hear this rhetoric from the QAnon branch of the Republican party.  Almost all Republican leadership strongly backs Ukraine.  I'm looking at the front page of Fox News and it is coming down way harder on Putin than it is on Biden.  And if Fox News is hammering anyone harder than Biden then that's really saying something.

It is possible that that'll change in the same way that "normal" Republicans adopted the positions of the insane Republicans.

All that needs to happen for Republicans to abandon Ukraine and support Putin will be Trump doing so. True to his erratic nature, he's already lurched between praising Putin and condemning the invasion, but if he "settles down" in support of Putin, Republicans will be quick to follow suit. It's also important to note here that Putin has successfully manipulated Trump into taking his side multiple times over the past several years, and I don't see why he'd have a harder time doing so in this situation. It's not like Trump gives a shit about Ukraine to begin with. I doubt he could even find it on a map.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 09, 2022, 12:32:58 PM
Here is why Putin is in Ukraine.

The NAZIs are committing acts of atrocity against ethnic groups and now threatening Zelensky with assassination.

Yes we know what the Russians are doing, but now tell us why they are there. I am only hypothetically opposed to NAZI's.
FTFY.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 09, 2022, 12:38:54 PM
https://youtu.be/sd7eo9dJlWE
Here is why Putin is in Ukraine.

The NAZIs are committing acts of atrocity against ethnic groups and now threatening Zelensky with assassination.
Now we know what the most loathsome person on Youtube thinks of the situation.
How long have you been an active proponent of NAZIISM, anti-semitism, and the killing of Semitic peoples?

Actually, Aaron Mate is the one providing most of the source material.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 09, 2022, 02:05:47 PM
To be fair I only hear this rhetoric from the QAnon branch of the Republican party.  Almost all Republican leadership strongly backs Ukraine.  I'm looking at the front page of Fox News and it is coming down way harder on Putin than it is on Biden.  And if Fox News is hammering anyone harder than Biden then that's really saying something.

It is possible that that'll change in the same way that "normal" Republicans adopted the positions of the insane Republicans.

All that needs to happen for Republicans to abandon Ukraine and support Putin will be Trump doing so. True to his erratic nature, he's already lurched between praising Putin and condemning the invasion, but if he "settles down" in support of Putin, Republicans will be quick to follow suit. It's also important to note here that Putin has successfully manipulated Trump into taking his side multiple times over the past several years, and I don't see why he'd have a harder time doing so in this situation. It's not like Trump gives a shit about Ukraine to begin with. I doubt he could even find it on a map.

Middle class white men have been a staple of the Republicans for decades but now that demographic is dwindling nationally. That's why they see unwhite people of other classes as a threat. That's also why they've taken to this shameless gerrymandering across the country.
In their desperation, they are romancing white supremacists, conspiracy theory freaks and the mentally enfeebled. They no longer talk about real issues, they're just frightening elderly voters with pictures of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton's face. They know that Russia will bring huge resources to the next election and they're willing to let Putin have Europe in exchange. They are traitors to their own country, they certainly don't care about Ukraine.

They know they can use bullshit to whip up the ignorant freaks into frenzy. For example:
Here is why Putin is in Ukraine.

The NAZIs are committing acts of atrocity against ethnic groups and now threatening Zelensky with assassination.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 09, 2022, 04:25:04 PM
https://youtu.be/sd7eo9dJlWE
Here is why Putin is in Ukraine.

The NAZIs are committing acts of atrocity against ethnic groups and now threatening Zelensky with assassination.
Now we know what the most loathsome person on Youtube thinks of the situation.
How long have you been an active proponent of NAZIISM, anti-semitism, and the killing of Semitic peoples?

Actually, Aaron Mate is the one providing most of the source material.

1.  The US has a bigger nazi problem than Ukraine.  Saying that supporting Ukraine supports nazis is like saying supporting England supports the Flat Earth Society.

2.  Aaron Mate is a Russian shill who has fallen on hard times and likely has to feed his family cat food by now.  I won't begrudge him for coming up with gibberish for ad view revenue since he has no other job skills.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 09, 2022, 04:53:42 PM
blah, blah, blah...
So, you are categorically stating for the record:

NAZI elements of the Ukraine National Guard forces are NOT engaged in the killing of large populations of Muslims in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 09, 2022, 05:14:37 PM
blah, blah, blah...
So, you are categorically stating for the record:

NAZI elements of the Ukraine National Guard forces are NOT engaged in the killing of large populations of Muslims in Ukraine.

Can you prove they are?
Because at 0.09% of the population... Its not exactly alot of people.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 09, 2022, 05:23:45 PM
blah, blah, blah...
So, you are categorically stating for the record:

NAZI elements of the Ukraine National Guard forces are NOT engaged in the killing of large populations of Muslims in Ukraine.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds?  What is there like one Muslim in Ukraine?

Does this Azov battalion just sit in a meeting every week with the agenda of "We need to get rid Omar!"

I fear you may have Jimmy Dore Derangement Syndrome.  It has no doubt degraded your mental capacity.  I would respectfully suggest that you consult with an expert on head trauma before you operate a motor vehicle as the level of brain damage you have sustained may prove dangerous to yourself and to others on the road.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 09, 2022, 05:24:07 PM
NAZI elements of the Ukraine National Guard forces are NOT engaged in the killing of large populations of Muslims in Ukraine.

So you believe this is why Putin wants to invade Ukraine. You believe he has no further designs on Europe?

Putin really is a nice guy huh?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 09, 2022, 05:56:58 PM
blah, blah, blah...
So, you are categorically stating for the record:

NAZI elements of the Ukraine National Guard forces are NOT engaged in the killing of large populations of Muslims in Ukraine.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds?  What is there like one Muslim in Ukraine?
About 370,000.
Out of 41.65 million people.  Or .9%


Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 09, 2022, 06:29:33 PM
blah, blah, blah...
So, you are categorically stating for the record:

NAZI elements of the Ukraine National Guard forces are NOT engaged in the killing of large populations of Muslims in Ukraine.

It's kind of everywhere...Rare, but not non-existent. The Pentagon actually has to keep a lookout for Nazis in the ranks.

Pentagon report reveals inroads white supremacists have made in military (https://rollcall.com/2021/02/16/pentagon-report-reveals-inroads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/)

A large database containing this and many other Iron March chats was published in 2019 on the Ars Technica news site. A screenshot of the neo-Nazi guardsman’s exchange is spotlighted in a previously unpublicized October 2020 Pentagon report to Congress that details the military’s efforts to keep extremists, particularly fascists, out of the military.
The report, obtained by CQ Roll Call, paints a stark picture of white supremacist inroads in the U.S. military. And it reveals several steps the Pentagon is now reviewing to kick such people out and help keep them out — from accessing an FBI database of extremist tattoos to improving security clearance questions.
While neo-Nazis and other extremists are rare in the U.S. armed forces, exactly how rare is not known. And military veterans who adhere to supremacist beliefs have been overrepresented in recent American violence — including in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 09, 2022, 07:18:34 PM
blah, blah, blah...
So, you are categorically stating for the record:

NAZI elements of the Ukraine National Guard forces are NOT engaged in the killing of large populations of Muslims in Chechnya.

Can you prove they are?
Because at 0.09% of the population... Its not exactly alot of people.
Corrected
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 09, 2022, 08:53:47 PM
blah, blah, blah...
So, you are categorically stating for the record:

NAZI elements of the Ukraine National Guard forces are NOT engaged in the killing of large populations of Muslims in Chechnya.

Can you prove they are?
Because at 0.09% of the population... Its not exactly alot of people.
Corrected

... You uhhh... Realize you didn't change the quote...right?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 09, 2022, 09:11:03 PM
... You uhhh... Realize you didn't change the quote...right?
He did, just not the part you'd expect.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 09, 2022, 09:36:12 PM
https://youtu.be/TtdWbZ-iO1I
yeah, no NAZI's.
In 2019, the NY Times reported the Azov Battalion was NEO - NAZI, now they report the Azov Battalion is simply part of the Ukrainian National Guard.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 09, 2022, 11:19:34 PM
I’m sold. Let’s bomb civilians.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 09, 2022, 11:23:37 PM
Yeah I'm in.  About 900 neo nazis in a country of 44 million.  You gotta bomb their hospitals and schools.  That's just common sense.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 09, 2022, 11:50:50 PM
I'm guessing there are 900 neo-Nazis in the US military out of 481,254 troops.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Clyde Frog on March 10, 2022, 02:10:50 AM
I'm guessing there are 900 neo-Nazis in the US military out of 481,254 troops.
I guess I need to find a bunker to hole up in so Action69 can get this over with then.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 10:56:49 AM
Yeah I'm in.  About 900 neo nazis in a country of 44 million.  You gotta bomb their hospitals and schools.  That's just common sense.
And those 900 have successfully converted the rest so now the official salute/greeting is NAZI.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 10, 2022, 11:16:50 AM
Yeah I'm in.  About 900 neo nazis in a country of 44 million.  You gotta bomb their hospitals and schools.  That's just common sense.
And those 900 have successfully converted the rest so now the official salute/greeting is NAZI.

ALL Ukrainians nazi salute now? They converted 44M people? They can’t keep getting away with this!
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 11:33:01 AM
Yeah I'm in.  About 900 neo nazis in a country of 44 million.  You gotta bomb their hospitals and schools.  That's just common sense.
And those 900 have successfully converted the rest so now the official military salute/greeting is NAZI.

ALL Ukrainians nazi salute now? They converted 44M people? They can’t keep getting away with this! IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!
FTFY

All Ukrainians support their military. Their military officially uses a NAZI salute/greeting.

You and your Fuhrer must be so proud!
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 10, 2022, 11:55:06 AM
Yeah I'm in.  About 900 neo nazis in a country of 44 million.  You gotta bomb their hospitals and schools.  That's just common sense.
And those 900 have successfully converted the rest so now the official military salute/greeting is NAZI.

ALL Ukrainians nazi salute now? They converted 44M people? They can’t keep getting away with this! IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!
FTFY

All Ukrainians support their military. Their military officially uses a NAZI salute/greeting.

Source?

I denounce Nazi’s wherever I find them, but I won’t take your word for it.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 12:04:44 PM
Yeah I'm in.  About 900 neo nazis in a country of 44 million.  You gotta bomb their hospitals and schools.  That's just common sense.
And those 900 have successfully converted the rest so now the official military salute/greeting is NAZI.

ALL Ukrainians nazi salute now? They converted 44M people? They can’t keep getting away with this! IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!
FTFY

All Ukrainians support their military. Their military officially uses a NAZI salute/greeting.

Source?

I denounce Nazi’s wherever I find them, but I won’t take your word for it.
The sources are right here and you are too troubled to even watch.

You don't care and that is okay.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 10, 2022, 12:51:23 PM

Vladimir Putin has long known that American stupidity is a weapon of unimaginable power. He's used that weapon to conscript an army of ignorant zombie traitors that supports his agenda to dominate Europe and attack America.

Some of these zombie traitors believe in space lizards, some believe in the cannibal pedophile cabal. They believe all kinds of stupid shit.

All Ukrainians support their military. Their military officially uses a NAZI salute/greeting.

We can hope to develop advanced defense systems against fighter jets or missiles. But there's no stopping the power of dumbass.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 01:11:35 PM

Vladimir Putin has long known that American stupidity is a weapon of unimaginable power. He's used that weapon to conscript an army of ignorant zombie traitors that supports his agenda to dominate Europe and attack America.
BWHAHAHAHA!!!

Kramer, please...you gotta stop with the bullshit.

Really, this forum has something called CN for such Russia Gate BS.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 10, 2022, 01:36:54 PM
Really, this forum has something called CN for such Russia Gate BS.

Remember when Trump coined the phase 'Russia Hoax.' The idea that Russia would never do such a horrible thing. At the moment those words were coming out of his stupid face, Russia was deep in the engineering phase of the Solarwinds hack. This allowed Russia to penetrate deeply into our government computers completely unnoticed. They would still be there except they got too greedy about privilege escalation and data exfiltration so they got caught.

Remember when Trump proposed a 'Joint Cybersecurity Task Force' with Russia in front of the whole world. Putin had to bite down on his lower trying to keep from busting out laughing. The delighted look on his face was priceless.

You bought into this idea that Russia is portrayed as evil in some multi-generational, worldwide, mass media smear campaign. The Republicans are selling this idea to the American public to curry favor with Putin and gain their support in the next election.

BTW: Europe is not Africa. Ukraine is not Somalia and Russia is not Ethiopia. There are currently no nuclear weapons on the African continent.



Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 10, 2022, 01:56:00 PM
Yes, it was Putin who told me not to care about the current media hype and to generally distrust the narrative.

(https://i.imgur.com/sPASptM.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7n2jRL7.png)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/10/us-denies-russian-claims-of-biowarfare-labs-in-ukraine

(https://i.imgur.com/53eWFlx.png)

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/10/nula-m10.html

(https://i.imgur.com/FuJrOyl.png)

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1501313109520175104

(https://i.imgur.com/3zX9zOv.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AugzqXPYaOc
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 10, 2022, 03:12:27 PM
Yes, I'm sure once Putin has contained the Nazi threat in Ukraine, he will move on to rescue the next European country. Once all of Europe is free from Nazis, homosexuals, Free Press and locally managed elections then he will move on to the United States.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 03:34:08 PM
Yes, I'm sure once Putin has contained the Nazi threat in Ukraine, he will move on to rescue the next European country. Once all of Europe is free from Nazis, homosexuals, Free Press and locally managed elections then he will move on to the United States.
BWAHAHAHA!!!!

No, srsly Kramer....take the Russia Gate crap to CN where it belongs, okay?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 10, 2022, 03:36:45 PM
I don’t understand why Tom is fixated on American bioweapon labs when it’s Russia who is currently bombing Ukrainian civilians. These same bombing show that Russia is not there for remotely altruistic intentions like removing nazis from Ukraine.

Bioweapons labs are bad and nazis are bad, but they have nothing to do with Russian aggression in the region. It’s simply Russia trying to shore up their geopolitical security and on a personal level about Putin’s egotistical attachment to the Soviet Empire. All this stuff about how the US hasn’t been honest is not good but it’s also not relevant.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 03:50:10 PM
I don’t understand why Tom is fixated on American bioweapon labs when it’s Russia who is currently bombing Ukrainian civilians. These same bombing show that Russia is not there for remotely altruistic intentions like removing nazis from Ukraine.
What evidence do you have Russians are bombing civilians? What if the civilians are harboring NAZI's?
Bioweapons labs are bad and nazis are bad, but they have nothing to do with Russian aggression in the region. It’s simply Russia trying to shore up their geopolitical security and on a personal level about Putin’s egotistical attachment to the Soviet Empire. All this stuff about how the US hasn’t been honest is not good but it’s also not relevant.
If Russia were to engage,oh let's say...CUBA, home to Fidel Turdeau, Sr., in some sort of deal where weapons could be manufactured and/or stored for future use in that region, the US should kick back and not perform any military-type intervention in the area?

Jesus, I remind you also that CN is lower level.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 10, 2022, 03:52:59 PM
I don’t understand why Tom is fixated on American bioweapon labs when it’s Russia who is currently bombing Ukrainian civilians. These same bombing show that Russia is not there for remotely altruistic intentions like removing nazis from Ukraine.

Bioweapons labs are bad and nazis are bad, but they have nothing to do with Russian aggression in the region. It’s simply Russia trying to shore up their geopolitical security and on a personal level about Putin’s egotistical attachment to the Soviet Empire. All this stuff about how the US hasn’t been honest is not good but it’s also not relevant.

Have you considered that you are being lied to about that as well?

The Ukranian military is using schools as military bases:

https://twitter.com/WickedViralTV/status/1499321136558927873

The Ukranians putting AA/Artillery near residential areas:

https://twitter.com/RealNewsIL/status/1497489339378507780

Russia has complained about this:

https://sputniknews.com/20220303/putin-nationalists-foreign-mercenaries-in-ukraine-use-civilians-as-human-shield-1093560887.html

(https://i.imgur.com/xOUEGR9.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 10, 2022, 03:55:19 PM
I don’t understand why Tom is fixated on American bioweapon labs when it’s Russia who is currently bombing Ukrainian civilians. These same bombing show that Russia is not there for remotely altruistic intentions like removing nazis from Ukraine.
What evidence do you have Russians are bombing civilians? What if the civilians are harboring NAZI's?
Bioweapons labs are bad and nazis are bad, but they have nothing to do with Russian aggression in the region. It’s simply Russia trying to shore up their geopolitical security and on a personal level about Putin’s egotistical attachment to the Soviet Empire. All this stuff about how the US hasn’t been honest is not good but it’s also not relevant.
If Russia were to engage,oh let's say...CUBA, home to Fidel Turdeau, Sr., in some sort of deal where weapons could be manufactured and/or stored for future use in that region, the US should kick back and not perform any military-type intervention in the area?

Jesus, I remind you also that CN is lower level.

https://liveuamap.com/

Video evidence of Russia's incompetently executed evil acts updated regularly.  I'm sure there are other resources as well.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 10, 2022, 03:59:11 PM
I’ve seen more than enough videos of civilians being executed. I won’t post them here but go ahead to r/publicfreakouts to start looking if you are interested in seeing some heinous shit.

I don’t doubt that Ukrainians might be mixing some civilians with military. Is the solution to that to bomb the civilians? Is it to use thermo-baric weapons? I get that war isn’t pretty but the apologetics being done here are pretty baffling. Ukraine could be guilty of everything being levied here, and I still don’t see how it justifies the brutality of the campaign.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 04:04:08 PM
I don’t understand why Tom is fixated on American bioweapon labs when it’s Russia who is currently bombing Ukrainian civilians. These same bombing show that Russia is not there for remotely altruistic intentions like removing nazis from Ukraine.
What evidence do you have Russians are bombing civilians? What if the civilians are harboring NAZI's?
Bioweapons labs are bad and nazis are bad, but they have nothing to do with Russian aggression in the region. It’s simply Russia trying to shore up their geopolitical security and on a personal level about Putin’s egotistical attachment to the Soviet Empire. All this stuff about how the US hasn’t been honest is not good but it’s also not relevant.
If Russia were to engage,oh let's say...CUBA, home to Fidel Turdeau, Sr., in some sort of deal where weapons could be manufactured and/or stored for future use in that region, the US should kick back and not perform any military-type intervention in the area?

Jesus, I remind you also that CN is lower level.

https://liveuamap.com/

Video evidence of Russia's incompetently executed evil acts updated regularly.  I'm sure there are other resources as well.
CN material.

"Hey, look! I got this stock footage of a missile launch! Let's add it to the news of today and claim it's happening in (insert current conflict here).

You got a real sense of humor!

You used the words "incompetently executed evil," all in a row, quite well! BWAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 10, 2022, 04:06:14 PM
I’ve seen more than enough videos of civilians being executed. I won’t post them here but go ahead to r/publicfreakouts to start looking if you are interested in seeing some heinous shit.

I don’t doubt that Ukrainians might be mixing some civilians with military. Is the solution to that to bomb the civilians? Is it to use thermo-baric weapons? I get that war isn’t pretty but the apologetics being done here are pretty baffling. Ukraine could be guilty of everything being levied here, and I still don’t see how it justifies the brutality of the campaign.

Thermobaric weapons are useful in destroying biolabs without spreading pathogens everywhere.

The Ukrainian military has declared that it is discarding the Geneva convention and will slaughter Russian POWs. And you are wondering why there is so much brutality.  ::)

https://twitter.com/JoeShikhman/status/1499088068128780289

Here is a saved archive page of the Ukrainian announcement: https://archive.ph/cjscs#selection-759.3-765.90

I translated it in Google translate:

(https://i.imgur.com/g6c3y6Q.png)

The author is the Command of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a blue chekmark:

(https://i.imgur.com/h30VvOc.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 04:07:55 PM
I’ve seen more than enough videos of civilians being executed. I won’t post them here but go ahead to r/publicfreakouts to start looking if you are interested in seeing some heinous shit.

I don’t doubt that Ukrainians might be mixing some civilians with military. Is the solution to that to bomb the civilians? Is it to use thermo-baric weapons? I get that war isn’t pretty but the apologetics being done here are pretty baffling. Ukraine could be guilty of everything being levied here, and I still don’t see how it justifies the brutality of the campaign.
If that brutality is being levied against people who advocate the use of lard grease on their bullets, prior to firing them at Muslims, then I am all for it.

You are not because it seems you consider such acts as the CORRECT TYPE of ANTI-SEMITISM.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 10, 2022, 04:14:44 PM
I’ve seen more than enough videos of civilians being executed. I won’t post them here but go ahead to r/publicfreakouts to start looking if you are interested in seeing some heinous shit.

I don’t doubt that Ukrainians might be mixing some civilians with military. Is the solution to that to bomb the civilians? Is it to use thermo-baric weapons? I get that war isn’t pretty but the apologetics being done here are pretty baffling. Ukraine could be guilty of everything being levied here, and I still don’t see how it justifies the brutality of the campaign.

Thermobaric weapons are useful in destroying biolabs without spreading pathogens everywhere.

Is that where they are using them?

Quote
The Ukrainian military has declared that it is discarding the Geneva convention and will slaughter Russian POWs. And you are wondering why there is so much brutality.  ::)

https://twitter.com/JoeShikhman/status/1499088068128780289

Here is a saved archive page of the Ukrainian announcement: https://archive.ph/cjscs#selection-759.3-765.90

I translated it:

(https://i.imgur.com/g6c3y6Q.png)

Has this actually been done or is it just words?

Also, two wrongs don’t make a right, and if Russia doesn’t like it they can JUST STOP INVADING!
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2022, 04:15:54 PM
go ahead to r/publicfreakouts
You believe this to be a reliable source of information for anything related to Ukraine/Russia?

"Effective at 10pm central time March 3, 2022 all videos/footage of missiles/impacts/bombing aftermath less than 12 hours old will be banned."

Does the reporting need to pass through official government channels prior to release?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 10, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
if Russia doesn’t like it they can JUST STOP INVADING!

Putin has just as much right as America did to stop the Cuban Missile Crisis. When you start putting bioweapons and conventional weapons near your enemy county's border you are provoking them into war.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/04/weapons-access-ukraine/

Quote
As Russia’s military buildup pressed against Ukraine’s border in late January and early February, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov celebrated the arrival of weapons from the West, illustrating his near-daily tweets with photographs of smiling men in uniform unloading heavy pallets from cargo aircraft.

“The 8th [American] bird has arrived in Kyiv!” Reznikov exulted on Feb. 5. “Our partners from #USA have sent more than 650 tons of defense ammunition to Ukraine! To be continued.”

The last such message came on Feb. 23, the day before Russia invaded.


There have been no known air deliveries since then. Ukraine’s airspace is now part of a war zone that no Western nation wants to enter, even as the United States and its allies and partners pledge to deliver more weaponry for the fight.

There was a military buildup over a period of time. It didn't just come out of the blue. Ukraine was being armed by the US to fight Russia.

Russia also had concern that they were working towards nuclear weapons:

https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/ukraine-building-a-nuclear-bomb-dangerous-nonsense/

(https://i.imgur.com/TuzA2Wq.png)

Three decades ago Ukraine was the third largest nuclear power, but has supposedly denuclearized:

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion

(https://i.imgur.com/wLeTPuj.png)

There is clearly concern that they might be getting armed with nukes or are working towards nukes, considering that they may still have the infrastructure for it and they are getting many tons of weapon support by NATO countries.

Just before the invasion the Ukrainian president taunted Russia by claiming that their non-nuclear status is "in doubt"

https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/ukraine-building-a-nuclear-bomb-dangerous-nonsense/

(https://i.imgur.com/ofRMLXe.png)

Bioweapons, buildup of conventional weapons, nuclear weapons taunts. Big surprise and shocker why Russia would invade Ukraine. Totally shocking.

The president of Ukraine made those comments on Feb 19, just days before Russia decided to invade.

(https://i.imgur.com/vKcmga2.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 10, 2022, 06:00:46 PM
if Russia doesn’t like it they can JUST STOP INVADING!

Putin has just as much right as America did to stop Cuban Missile Crisis. When you start putting bioweapons and conventional weapons near your enemy county's border you are provoking them into war.

Big surprise and shocker why Russia would invade Ukraine.

All you need for an invasion is to accuse someone of having nuclear weapons or bioweapons. This is what we did in Iraq.

When the Russian and Chinese troops arrive in America to liberate us from the tyranny of Joe Biden's liberal Nazi homosexual immigrants and destroy our nuclear weapons, Tom and Action will be there waving flags and cheering at their arrival.

The Republican Party is dead to me. They are traitors and commie sympathizers.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 10, 2022, 06:22:58 PM
I’ve seen more than enough videos of civilians being executed. I won’t post them here but go ahead to r/publicfreakouts to start looking if you are interested in seeing some heinous shit.

I don’t doubt that Ukrainians might be mixing some civilians with military. Is the solution to that to bomb the civilians? Is it to use thermo-baric weapons? I get that war isn’t pretty but the apologetics being done here are pretty baffling. Ukraine could be guilty of everything being levied here, and I still don’t see how it justifies the brutality of the campaign.

Thermobaric weapons are useful in destroying biolabs without spreading pathogens everywhere.

The Ukrainian military has declared that it is discarding the Geneva convention and will slaughter Russian POWs. And you are wondering why there is so much brutality.  ::)

https://twitter.com/JoeShikhman/status/1499088068128780289

Here is a saved archive page of the Ukrainian announcement: https://archive.ph/cjscs#selection-759.3-765.90

I translated it in Google translate:

(https://i.imgur.com/g6c3y6Q.png)

The author is the Command of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a blue chekmark:

(https://i.imgur.com/h30VvOc.png)

Yes, they really really really hate the artillary men who are killing their children.  I mean, only a pure sociopath wouldn't be pissed.
Also, they edited the post shortly after. 

But this was on March 2nd so there should be PLENTY of evidence of mass slaughter of surrendering russian soliders, right?

Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 10, 2022, 06:26:29 PM
Snip

The US doesn’t invade countries for having WMDs, the one time they claimed to do it, it was a false pretense and roundly criticized once the truth came out. Maybe the Ukraine does have WMDs but again, I have to press you on this, how are you getting from where you are to it being ok to bomb civilian targets. It wasn’t ok when the US did it and it’s not ok now.

if Russia doesn’t like it they can JUST STOP INVADING!

Putin has just as much right as America did to stop Cuban Missile Crisis. When you start putting bioweapons and conventional weapons near your enemy county's border you are provoking them into war.

Big surprise and shocker why Russia would invade Ukraine.

All you need for an invasion is to accuse someone of having nuclear weapons or bioweapons. This is what we did in Iraq.

When the Russian and Chinese troops arrive in America to liberate us from the tyranny of Joe Biden's liberal Nazi homosexual immigrants and destroy our nuclear weapons, Tom and Action will be there waving flags and cheering at their arrival.

The Republican Party is dead to me. They are traitors and commie sympathizers.

This is all a psyop to justify invading the US; Jan 6th and WMDs, it checks all the boxes. I look forward to Tom and Lackey welcoming their Russian overlords.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 10, 2022, 06:28:16 PM
if Russia doesn’t like it they can JUST STOP INVADING!

When you start putting bioweapons and conventional weapons near your enemy county's border you are provoking them into war.

Is a “Biological Research Facility” the same thing as a “Biowarfare Lab”?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 10, 2022, 07:09:45 PM
The Russians are on a mission to take out Dr. Fauci and his evil plans in Ukraine.  I'm guessing that Russian intelligence has learned that he's hiding in either a school or a hospital since that's what the Russians seem to be targeting the most.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 14, 2022, 01:32:04 AM
Wow, I thought biolabs containing bioweapons was just a QAnon theory.

(https://i.imgur.com/JcVbELr.jpg)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rushy on March 14, 2022, 02:17:28 AM
Ukraine is a corrupt shithole and so is Russia. Is there some way they can just nuke each other so that they both lose?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 14, 2022, 05:21:19 AM
Wow, I thought biolabs containing bioweapons was just a QAnon theory.

(https://i.imgur.com/JcVbELr.jpg)

Where does it say their labs contain "bioweapons"? Ukraine has 2 level 3 labs (No level 4's) - From your article, "The level-three lab works with coronaviruses, tuberculosis, yellow fever, SARS, West Nile, and some strains of influenza...One of the two labs is in Odessa and the other is in Kyiv."

Is a level 3 lab where they have something like the TB virus stored considered a "bioweapons" lab? Is TB itself considered a "bioweapon"? If so, I guess there are bioweapons labs & bioweapons everywhere:

- There are 59 biosafety level 4 labs (BSL-4) in the world
- There are currently 13 operational or planned BSL-4 facilities within the United States of America.
- There are approximately 600 laboratories around the UK that are built to operate at BSL-3
- There's not one federal agency that tracks the number of BSL-3 labs, though there are at least 200 in the U.S.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 14, 2022, 05:49:17 PM
Where does it say their labs contain "bioweapons"?

Please stay vigilant in reading comprehension. It says that the lab contains biological weapons directly in the headline.

(https://i.ibb.co/Lg3vDwZ/bioweapons.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 14, 2022, 05:55:48 PM
How you say yes without really saying yes.

(https://i.imgur.com/agmvClt.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 14, 2022, 06:10:18 PM
Where does it say their labs contain "bioweapons"?

Please stay vigilant in reading comprehension. It says that the lab contains biological weapons directly in the headline.

(https://i.ibb.co/Lg3vDwZ/bioweapons.png)

It says in the sub-headline, "Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon.". I'd say your reading comprehension is way off.

Like I said, which you didn't address:

Is a level 3 lab where they have something like the TB virus stored considered a "bioweapons" lab? Is TB itself considered a "bioweapon"? If so, I guess there are bioweapons labs & bioweapons everywhere:

- There are 59 biosafety level 4 labs (BSL-4) in the world
- There are currently 13 operational or planned BSL-4 facilities within the United States of America.
- There are approximately 600 laboratories around the UK that are built to operate at BSL-3
- There's not one federal agency that tracks the number of BSL-3 labs, though there are at least 200 in the U.S.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 14, 2022, 06:35:20 PM
How you say yes without really saying yes.

(https://i.imgur.com/agmvClt.png)

Except they said “yes”. Funny how one post earlier, you asked Stack to stay vigilant with his reading comprehension. I don’t know why you keep bringing up nazis though, it’s already been conceded as the perfect rationale to bomb civilians.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 14, 2022, 08:56:33 PM
How you say yes without really saying yes.

(https://i.imgur.com/agmvClt.png)

There are far right extremists in every country, and the military often attract some of the more unsavoury types. The UK, for example, has a long history of recruiting fighting men who really wouldn’t be cut out for life as a peaceful civilian.

But that doesn’t make us nazis. The Ukrainians too have far right extremists, of course, and they are well documented. But to suggest that the Ukrainian government is far right or even nazi is just desperate. Pathetic even. They have literally none of the hallmarks of fascism about them. Go and wander round Moscow if you want to know what that looks like.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 14, 2022, 09:24:18 PM
It says in the sub-headline, "Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon.". I'd say your reading comprehension is way off.

Is there supposed to be an argument here? Why can't a lab be used as a base?

Quote from: stack
I guess there are bioweapons labs & bioweapons everywhere

Correct, the US has been harshly criticized for funding such things.

But that doesn’t make us nazis. The Ukrainians too have far right extremists, of course, and they are well documented. But to suggest that the Ukrainian government is far right or even nazi is just desperate. Pathetic even. They have literally none of the hallmarks of fascism about them. Go and wander round Moscow if you want to know what that looks like.

Nazism in Ukraine must be so miniscule that they officially named a prolific Nazi a national hero in 2010.

(https://i.imgur.com/DXKR1U8.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 15, 2022, 02:32:00 AM
It says in the sub-headline, "Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon.". I'd say your reading comprehension is way off.

Is there supposed to be an argument here? Why can't a lab be used as a base?

You said:

Wow, I thought biolabs containing bioweapons was just a QAnon theory.

It says that the lab contains biological weapons directly in the headline.

Biological weapons are weaponized viruses and such. You've been saying that there are weaponized viruses in these two labs. No where does the article say that. It's like saying a warehouse full of fertilizer is a WMD.

Quote from: stack
I guess there are bioweapons labs & bioweapons everywhere

Correct, the US has been harshly criticized for funding such things.

So you are saying that every level 3 lab in the world has weaponized viruses?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2022, 02:47:29 AM
The article says that there are viruses in the labs and could be used as weapons. You are arguing whether they are weaponized viruses. Can your argument get any more desperate? ::)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 15, 2022, 05:08:53 AM
The article says that there are viruses in the labs and could be used as weapons. You are arguing whether they are weaponized viruses. Can your argument get any more desperate? ::)

Why is that earth shattering "Qanon is right!" news then if all you are saying is that there's an article that says Ukraine has two level 3 labs, level three labs often contain viruses like TB and corona, if captured by the Russians, they could then use those viruses and lab to create bio weapons..."?

Of course, Russia could use their own labs to turn viruses into weapons.

So now you're just saying that Ukraine has labs with viruses that someone could use to turn them into weapons. Not that Ukraine has bioweapons in labs even though you originally implied that they did.

I'm glad you've come around the fact that your statement that "Wow, I thought biolabs containing bioweapons was just a QAnon theory." is false. They don't contain bioweapons, they contain, like the 100's of level 3 labs around the globe, viruses that someone could create bioweapons with. Just like the 1000's warehouses around the globe that have fertilizer, someone could use that to make bombs.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 08:33:25 AM
It says in the sub-headline, "Russian troops could storm a lab and use it as a base to unleash a bioweapon.". I'd say your reading comprehension is way off.

Is there supposed to be an argument here? Why can't a lab be used as a base?

Quote from: stack
I guess there are bioweapons labs & bioweapons everywhere

Correct, the US has been harshly criticized for funding such things.

But that doesn’t make us nazis. The Ukrainians too have far right extremists, of course, and they are well documented. But to suggest that the Ukrainian government is far right or even nazi is just desperate. Pathetic even. They have literally none of the hallmarks of fascism about them. Go and wander round Moscow if you want to know what that looks like.

Nazism in Ukraine must be so miniscule that they officially named a prolific Nazi a national hero in 2010.

(https://i.imgur.com/DXKR1U8.png)

This is either pure trolling, or just pathetically naive. It’s partly why I’m interested in this site - not so much for the FE, but to explore places where the mindset involved in coming to the conclusion that the earth is flat leads to. Some of them, like this, are far more dangerous.

I’m assuming you’re talking about Bandera. It’s pretty clear that most of those Ukrainians who do support his memorialisation (and it’s worth noting that many Ukrainians do not) do so because of what he stood for, and not his involvement with nazi germany, a country he ultimately fell out with. The same is true, for example, of Ireland’s treatment of wartime IRA leaders. Men like Tom Barry and Sean Barry, who have statues and street names in Ireland today, flirted with Nazi Germany in much the same way as Bandera. They aren’t lauded for being nazis, nor were they nazis. They supported hitler because he was their enemy’s enemy.

Oh here’s to Adolph Hitler,
Who made the Britons squeal,
Sure before the fight is ended
They will dance an Irish reel
.’

Should Putin invade Ireland? Sorry, I meant : ‘should Putin order a special military operation in Ireland?’

Just as with your ridiculous assertions around the biolabs, if you apply your desperately flawed logic to other countries you were conclude that they too are nazi, or have bio weapons, or whatever. It’s ludicrous, and in Russia and Ukraine today that same mindset is actually killing people.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 09:21:53 AM
Nazism in Ukraine must be so miniscule that they officially named a prolific Nazi a national hero in 2010.
Ah, yes, a Russian puppet president (who was ousted several years later after doing More Bad Things) did a Bad Thing in Ukraine. Therefore, Russia is justified in doing Yet More Bad Things.

It occurs to me that, if we want to tackle Nazism in Ukraine, we'll have to go straight to the source.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 09:25:49 AM
Ah, yes, a Russian puppet president (who was ousted several years later after doing More Bad Things) did a Bad Thing in Ukraine. Therefore, Russia is justified in doing Yet More Bad Things.

It occurs to me that, if we want to tackle Nazism in Ukraine, we'll have to go straight to the source.

Which president are you talking about?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 15, 2022, 10:01:18 AM
There are far right extremists in every country, and the military often attract some of the more unsavoury types. The UK, for example, has a long history of recruiting fighting men who really wouldn’t be cut out for life as a peaceful civilian.

But that doesn’t make us nazis. The Ukrainians too have far right extremists, of course, and they are well documented. But to suggest that the Ukrainian government is far right or even nazi is just desperate. Pathetic even. They have literally none of the hallmarks of fascism about them. Go and wander round Moscow if you want to know what that looks like.
Your point would be better made if you can explain why the Ukrainian government adopted a NAZI greeting/salute as offficial.

Seems like a lot of NAZI apologists and sponsors like to post here.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
Your point would be better made if you can explain why the Ukrainian government adopted a NAZI greeting/salute as offficial.

And yours would be better made if it had some evidence to support it. What, exactly, are you referring to?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 15, 2022, 10:48:48 AM
Your point would be better made if you can explain why the Ukrainian government adopted a NAZI greeting/salute as offficial.

And yours would be better made if it had some evidence to support it. What, exactly, are you referring to?
Read the goddamn thread. Jesus.

Even the fucking US press corp was reporting on this shit a couple of years ago.

Like I wrote, a lot of goddamn NAZI apologists... Hillary would be so proud!
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 15, 2022, 12:01:37 PM

Read the goddamn thread. Jesus.

Even the fucking US press corp was reporting on this shit a couple of years ago.

Like I wrote, a lot of goddamn NAZI apologists... Hillary would be so proud!

Dude, just be honest with yourself. You support Russian rolling across Europe to protect the world from 'Naxis.' Just like Trump. you recognize that Putin, 'has a lot of love.'

That makes you a pinko, commie sympathizer.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 15, 2022, 12:04:42 PM

Read the goddamn thread. Jesus.

Even the fucking US press corp was reporting on this shit a couple of years ago.

Like I wrote, a lot of goddamn NAZI apologists... Hillary would be so proud!

Dude, just be honest with yourself. You support Russian rolling across Europe to protect the world from 'Naxis.' Just like Trump. you recognize that Putin, 'has a lot of love.'

That makes you a pinko, commie sympathizer.
Your goddamn program will not allow you to keep up with the changing narratives! Your fucking AI is busted!

CN, Kramer...CN.

That is where the Russia Gate bullshit belongs.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 12:09:57 PM
Your point would be better made if you can explain why the Ukrainian government adopted a NAZI greeting/salute as offficial.

And yours would be better made if it had some evidence to support it. What, exactly, are you referring to?
Read the goddamn thread. Jesus.

Even the fucking US press corp was reporting on this shit a couple of years ago.

Like I wrote, a lot of goddamn NAZI apologists... Hillary would be so proud!

Oh, Jesus, you're actually claiming the 'Glory to Ukraine' things as evidence of Nazis. I thought you had something better.

You don't seem to understand nuance. It's possible to be critical of people, without necessarily forming a black/white view of them, or indeed an entire country. It's pretty clear, reading around the subject, that Ukraine has some very unpleasant, far right organisations kicking about. But you need to demonstrate - because you have totally failed thus far - that the actual government and wide society is nazi. The history of that greeting is complex - it's absolutely true that it was used during WWII by the far right in Ukraine, but then you also have to bear in mind that Ukrainian nationalism is 100% at odds with the Soviet / Russian ownership of their country - these people remember the holodomor. The Russians hate that slogan, not because it is nazi (it predates Hitler by many years) but because it goes to an independent Ukraine. It's very obvious that it has been adopted by the broader Ukrainian independence movement, and I'm struggling to see much evidence that they are nazi.

Quote
However, Dominique Arel, a professor at the University of Ottawa who specializes in Ukrainian studies, argues that citizens in the country today identify with groups such as the OUN and other nationalist movements more in the sense of resistance, such as opposition to Russian aggression, rather than because of an affinity for far-right politics or violence. "The OUN slogans – "Glory to Ukraine," "Glory to heroes" – now routinely chanted by the Ukrainian middle class, many of whom prefer to use Russian in daily life, are thus acquiring a whole new meaning," he said.
Furthermore, Zaitsev believes it is incorrect to link historic slogans such as "Glory to Ukraine" to modern fascism. "During the Euromaidan this slogan basically lost its particular connection to the OUN and became one of the symbols of the pro-European protests," he said, referring to the demonstrations in Kyiv’s Maidan Square in 2013 and 2014 that led to Yanukovych’s ouster. "I do not find any negative sense in this greeting and don't oppose the introduction of it in the army
."

https://www.dw.com/en/new-glory-to-ukraine-army-chant-invokes-nationalist-past/a-45215538 (https://www.dw.com/en/new-glory-to-ukraine-army-chant-invokes-nationalist-past/a-45215538)

Meanwhile, over in Russia...

Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 15, 2022, 12:24:08 PM
Your point would be better made if you can explain why the Ukrainian government adopted a NAZI greeting/salute as offficial.

And yours would be better made if it had some evidence to support it. What, exactly, are you referring to?
Read the goddamn thread. Jesus.

Even the fucking US press corp was reporting on this shit a couple of years ago.

Like I wrote, a lot of goddamn NAZI apologists... Hillary would be so proud!

Oh, Jesus, you're actually claiming the 'Glory to Ukraine' things as evidence of Nazis. I thought you had something better.
And I, as usual, KNEW that you had nothing better than to come back with a dismissal of it as if it is not NAZI.

The goddamn AZOV Battalion is NAZI. The goddamn Ukrainian government has adopted a NAZI greeting/salute as official.

You cannot keep up with busted fucking narrative from the rest of the fucking NAZI sympathizers in the DEMOCRATIC/NEOCON/RINO factions running things in DARPA/CIA/MILITARY wings of the US Government and your stuck on making stupid, pathetic dismissals of what your cancel culture asses/partners in crime were so worried about yesterday.
Here, look...I got some more bullshit NAZI apologists, who are cited in official-looking PAPERS!!! (Get it...LOL!!!) and claim to be experts...
Yeah, we know who you are, already.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 12:27:44 PM
Which president are you talking about?
Perhaps "presidents" would have been more apt - Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych each played their role in fabricating this controversy.

I should have quoted what I'm responding to. My bad. I've edited my previous post, but here it is for clarity:

Nazism in Ukraine must be so miniscule that they officially named a prolific Nazi a national hero in 2010.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: AATW on March 15, 2022, 12:30:51 PM
Which president are you talking about?
Viktor Yanukovych
I hope his friends call him "Weird Vik".
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 12:40:14 PM
Another point that may be worth highlighting - Bandera receiving an honour that was immediately revoked after it turned out to be a Bad Idea™ is realtively mild in comparison to Sir Oswald Moseley retaining his knighthood. I hope Tom is not in favour of carpet-bombing the UK due to this fact. After all, Britain is clearly rife with Nazis. Rife, I tells ya.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 12:47:26 PM
Which president are you talking about?
Perhaps "presidents" would have been more apt - Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych each played their role in fabricating this controversy.

I should have quoted what I'm responding to. My bad. I've edited my previous post, but here it is for clarity:

Nazism in Ukraine must be so miniscule that they officially named a prolific Nazi a national hero in 2010.

Thanks. My admittedly limited understanding was that Yushchenko was the instigator, and his successor unwound the award. Was there more to it than that?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 12:51:42 PM
Yushchenko is no saint, and he's miscalculated this massively, but the idea was originally one of Yanukovych's talking points. Yushchenko was hoping to appease the more extreme elements in the country to prevent Yanukovych from getting in power. Not enough to outdo the Russian propaganda machine, and it gave Yanukovych an "easy win" early on.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 01:00:24 PM
Yushchenko is no saint, and he's miscalculated this massively, but the idea was originally one of Yanukovych's talking points. Yushchenko was hoping to appease the more extreme elements in the country to prevent Yanukovych from getting in power. Not enough to outdo the Russian propaganda machine, and it gave Yanukovych an "easy win" early on.

Ah. I don't get why Yanukovych would have used it originally - wouldn't that have played against his Russian backers?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 01:07:18 PM

The goddamn AZOV Battalion is NAZI. The goddamn Ukrainian government has adopted a NAZI greeting/salute as official.

You've just re-stated your original point. You aren't offering anything new. Your use of all-caps also smacks of desperation.

When describing something as Nazi, it's important to explain why. Nazis wear socks, but that doesn't make wearing socks Nazi, because the majority of the population do so without it meaning anything about their fascist leanings. Many nazi themes and symbols predate fascism. The swastika, of course, predates Hitler, but it has become so associated with Nazi Germany that it is very hard to argue that its use today would be anything but Nazi. The 'glory to Ukraine' phrase is clearly far, far more nuanced than, say, a swastika. It has been used by a number of different organisations, in a number of different contexts. The main source of the 'it's Nazi' line is Russia, and Putin, and his army of useful idiots, whose ranks you appear to have joined.

You cannot keep up with busted fucking narrative from the rest of the fucking NAZI sympathizers in the DEMOCRATIC/NEOCON/RINO factions running things in DARPA/CIA/MILITARY wings of the US Government and your stuck on making stupid, pathetic dismissals of what your cancel culture asses/partners in crime were so worried about yesterday.
Here, look...I got some more bullshit NAZI apologists, who are cited in official-looking PAPERS!!! (Get it...LOL!!!) and claim to be experts...
Yeah, we know who you are, already.


All caps...lack of nuance...desperation...QED. Thanks.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 01:27:00 PM
Ah. I don't get why Yanukovych would have used it originally - wouldn't that have played against his Russian backers?
He was already a puppet - he had no need to convince the Russians, just Ukrainians, and populism is a common theme in these sort of operations.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2022, 01:27:41 PM
Nazism in Ukraine must be so miniscule that they officially named a prolific Nazi a national hero in 2010.
Ah, yes, a Russian puppet president (who was ousted several years later after doing More Bad Things) did a Bad Thing in Ukraine. Therefore, Russia is justified in doing Yet More Bad Things.

It occurs to me that, if we want to tackle Nazism in Ukraine, we'll have to go straight to the source.

Yes, it must be solely the work of an evil president who snuck in a Nazi as a national hero without support of anyone else. That must be it.  ::)

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/05/20/312719066/hero-or-villain-historical-ukrainian-figure-symbolizes-todays-feud

(https://i.imgur.com/rQ85UcB.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/euIu7wP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bYgTGjz.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Iceman on March 15, 2022, 01:29:40 PM
By that logic, the Finns are all Nazis, let’s bomb their hospitals.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 01:35:20 PM
Yes, it must be solely the work of an evil president who snuck in a Nazi as a national hero without support of anyone else.
Yes, that's accurate. It's also why the deed was swiftly undone.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 01:38:06 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/rQ85UcB.png)

To present the relationship between Bandera and the Nazis as black and white like that is, once again, both desperate and lacking in nuance. Bandera thought the Nazis would help him keep the Russians at bay, but by 1941 they were essentially enemies. He was even imprisoned by them.

As I said above, it is very similar to the IRA and the Nazis - they weren't necessarily aligned, just allies of convenience. As were, we should remember, the Soviets themselves, who viewed Hitler as a useful ally in the early stages of the war. Does that make them Nazis too?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2022, 01:55:08 PM
Moar proof that only one person liked him in the entire country.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-01/thousands-of-far-right-ukrainians-honour-nazi-linked-nationalist-stepan-bandera-in-march-through-kyiv

(https://i.imgur.com/IsLM2zm.jpg)

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/stepan-bandera-divisive-national-icon/

(https://i.imgur.com/g5IoJOR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UNxvUg7.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 02:01:00 PM
Moar proof that only one person liked him in the entire country.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-01/thousands-of-far-right-ukrainians-honour-nazi-linked-nationalist-stepan-bandera-in-march-through-kyiv

(https://i.imgur.com/IsLM2zm.jpg)

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/stepan-bandera-divisive-national-icon/

(https://i.imgur.com/g5IoJOR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UNxvUg7.png)

That’s a rally by a political party who polled around 2% of the vote at the last election. What’s your point? You can’t seriously be extrapolating that across the rest of the population?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2022, 02:07:18 PM
That’s a rally by a political party who polled around 2% of the vote at the last election. What’s your point? You can’t seriously be extrapolating that across the rest of the population?

Muh denialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

(https://i.imgur.com/CGtFtU1.png)
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 15, 2022, 02:13:48 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 02:17:32 PM
Moar proof that only one person liked him in the entire country.
C'mon Tom, this is your weakest strawman yet. If you're running out of material, focus on quality, not quantity.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 02:20:11 PM
That’s a rally by a political party who polled around 2% of the vote at the last election. What’s your point? You can’t seriously be extrapolating that across the rest of the population?

Muh denialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

(https://i.imgur.com/CGtFtU1.png)

They presumably see his activities as positive because he fought hard for an independent ukraine? Just as the people of Ireland presumably feel about the IRA men who flirted with the Nazis and fought for their independence? You are so, so far away from a successful argument for the ukraine being dominated by some kind of nazi ideology - it’s absurd.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2022, 02:25:18 PM
Moar proof that only one person liked him in the entire country.
C'mon Tom, this is your weakest strawman yet. If you're running out of material, focus on quality, not quantity.

As far as I can see you have provided only speculation that his naming of national hero was supported by a single person.

Another poll which says Western Ukraine liked Stephan Bandera.

https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/43383/

(https://i.imgur.com/O0cZ6o7.png)

In the north of Ukraine it's 39%/40%, about 50/50, remainder being undecided, which is not insignificant either.

Quote from: SteelyBob
They presumably see his activities as positive because he fought hard for an independent ukraine? Just as the people of Ireland presumably feel about the IRA men who flirted with the Nazis and fought for their independence? You are so, so far away from a successful argument for the ukraine being dominated by some kind of nazi ideology - it’s absurd.

So in other words you concede this debate subject. It's not 2% or the work of a single person who supported Hitler's mass-mudering Nazi friend Stephen Bandera as national hero.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 02:58:00 PM
As far as I can see you have provided only speculation that his naming of national hero was supported by a single person.
Considering I never said anything like that, we should probably not pay much attention to things that only go "as far as you can see".

I told you how it happened (and you've already adjusted your argument slightly, so some education was accomplished, yay!), but it would take a whole new level of desperation to pretend that I claimed only one person supported the action. You normally do much better. Quality, not quantity.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2022, 03:02:18 PM
it would take a whole new level of desperation to pretend that I claimed only one person supported the action.

Oh yes, my mistake. You corrected yourself to lay blame at two people instead of one, who fabricated the controversy:

Which president are you talking about?
Perhaps "presidents" would have been more apt - Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych each played their role in fabricating this controversy.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 03:04:01 PM
Oh yes, my mistake. You corrected yourself to lay blame are two people instead of one, who fabricated the controversy
Tom, Tom, Tom. We're both more intelligent than this. You are trying to conflate the actors with supporters. That line of argumentation wouldn't even work on your usual victims.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 15, 2022, 03:23:31 PM
So pete, tell us... when did you first fall in love with NAZI's?

Was it some time around the death of Chaplin?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 15, 2022, 03:55:31 PM
Nazism in Ukraine must be so miniscule that they officially named a prolific Nazi a national hero in 2010.
Ah, yes, a Russian puppet president (who was ousted several years later after doing More Bad Things) did a Bad Thing in Ukraine. Therefore, Russia is justified in doing Yet More Bad Things.

It occurs to me that, if we want to tackle Nazism in Ukraine, we'll have to go straight to the source.

Are you saying we need to blow up the statue of Bandera?  That's how we solved in racism in America.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 04:13:28 PM
Are you saying we need to blow up the statue of Bandera?  That's how we solved in racism in America.
I mean, we might as well try it, what's the worst that could happen?

So pete, tell us... when did you first fall in love with NAZI's?
You're the only Nazi I truly love, A69. :-*
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 15, 2022, 04:27:04 PM
Oh yes, my mistake. You corrected yourself to lay blame at two people instead of one, who fabricated the controversy
Tom, Tom, Tom. We're both more intelligent than this. You are trying to conflate the actors with supporters. That line of argumentation wouldn't even work on your usual victims.

So when you say that two people fabricated the controversy and are apparently trying to minimize it, you really mean that many people in Ukraine supported it. Got it.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 15, 2022, 05:05:11 PM
So when you say that two people fabricated the controversy and are apparently trying to minimize it, you really mean that many people in Ukraine supported it. Got it.
Of course not. You're not dumb, you know what has and hasn't been said. Let's respect each other's time and not waste it on nonsense like "so what you rEaLlY said is something you didn't say at all, gotcha!!!!"
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 06:08:18 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.

You can stamp your all-caps feet all you like, but if you continue to make wild assertions without any evidence, nobody is going to believe you.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: SteelyBob on March 15, 2022, 06:09:05 PM
Oh yes, my mistake. You corrected yourself to lay blame are two people instead of one, who fabricated the controversy
Tom, Tom, Tom. We're both more intelligent than this. You are trying to conflate the actors with supporters. That line of argumentation wouldn't even work on your usual victims.

So when you say that two people fabricated the controversy and are apparently trying to minimize it, you really mean that many people in Ukraine supported it. Got it.

I find myself in the rather unusual position of entirely agreeing with Pete. What strange times we live in.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 15, 2022, 06:15:29 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.

You can stamp your all-caps feet all you like, but if you continue to make wild assertions without any evidence, nobody is going to believe you.I don't have anything meaningful to add, as the facts are clear.
FTFY.

I cannot help it the sources you love to lean on so frequently reported on the reality of white nationalism in Ukraine as recently as 2 years ago and now want to sweep it under the rug.

You do not care and that's fine.

I do care and I want every single last one of them motherfuckers wiped out.

Don't try to tell me that is a position that needs more nuance or examined in context.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 15, 2022, 06:46:04 PM
FTFY.

I cannot help it the sources you love to lean on so frequently reported on the reality of white nationalism in Ukraine as recently as 2 years ago and now want to sweep it under the rug.

You do not care and that's fine.

I do care and I want every single last one of them motherfuckers wiped out.

Don't try to tell me that is a position that needs more nuance or examined in context.

You are calling for a genocide and somehow think you are in a morally defensible position.  Your rabbit hole is deep, my dude.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 15, 2022, 07:09:50 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.

You can stamp your all-caps feet all you like, but if you continue to make wild assertions without any evidence, nobody is going to believe you.I don't have anything meaningful to add, as the facts are clear.
FTFY.

I cannot help it the sources you love to lean on so frequently reported on the reality of white nationalism in Ukraine as recently as 2 years ago and now want to sweep it under the rug.

You do not care and that's fine.

I do care and I want every single last one of them motherfuckers wiped out.

Don't try to tell me that is a position that needs more nuance or examined in context.

The bottom line: Are you saying that you are in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Just trying to cut to the chase.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 15, 2022, 08:35:49 PM
The bottom line: Are you saying that you are in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Just trying to cut to the chase.


If the Putin supporters on this forum believe that Putin is a nice guy who is acting in the best interest of Europe to stomp out Nazis. Just say so.

If you believe Putin would never launch cyber-attacks against our infrastructure and social media or spray someone in the face with neurotoxin, just say so.

Own your communist sympathies and there will be a high place waiting for you in the new Soviet Union.

Also if the presence of Nazis in a country is reason to be invaded, those of us in the United States need to be careful. We got Nazis coming out the ass.

Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tumeni on March 17, 2022, 10:50:37 AM
Repugnican thinks Ukrainians should just give up and let the Russians beat them up, just so that she and her snowflake friends don't have to watch it on TV;

https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-2656973028/

""If we truly care about suffering and death on our television screens, we cannot fund more of it by sending money and weaponry to fight a war they cannot possibly win!" she said. "The only effect of more arms and more money from America will be to prolong the war!""

Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 17, 2022, 12:02:30 PM
I’m surprised she hasn’t called on Israel to lend Ukraine their space laser.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 17, 2022, 12:07:17 PM
Repugnican thinks Ukrainians should just give up and let the Russians beat them up, just so that she and her snowflake friends don't have to watch it on TV;

https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-2656973028/

""If we truly care about suffering and death on our television screens, we cannot fund more of it by sending money and weaponry to fight a war they cannot possibly win!" she said. "The only effect of more arms and more money from America will be to prolong the war!""
Please state for the record...

What has been the result of the US sending more money and weaponry to fight wars in the Middle East and Asia?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 17, 2022, 12:13:20 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.

You can stamp your all-caps feet all you like, but if you continue to make wild assertions without any evidence, nobody is going to believe you.I don't have anything meaningful to add, as the facts are clear.
FTFY.

I cannot help it the sources you love to lean on so frequently reported on the reality of white nationalism in Ukraine as recently as 2 years ago and now want to sweep it under the rug.

You do not care and that's fine.

I do care and I want every single last one of them motherfuckers wiped out.

Don't try to tell me that is a position that needs more nuance or examined in context.

The bottom line: Are you saying that you are in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Just trying to cut to the chase.
The bottom line is I know these cocksuckers are staging events to play on the money game and getting rich off the reality TV (MSM), as usual. I want those NAZI motherfuckers in Ukraine wiped off the fucking planet.

The USA, Canada, and the UK have had a great deal of fun funding those motherfuckers over the past thirty years.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 17, 2022, 12:41:50 PM
The bottom line is I know these cocksuckers are staging events to play on the money game and getting rich off the reality TV (MSM), as usual. I want those NAZI motherfuckers in Ukraine wiped off the fucking planet.

The USA, Canada, and the UK have had a great deal of fun funding those motherfuckers over the past thirty years.

So you're ok with the Nazis in America?

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38057104
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ku-klux-klan-nazi-salutes-rally-donald-trump-north-carolina-us-president-elect-a7455446.html
https://triad-city-beat.com/trump-convoy-participant-heil-hitler-nazi-salute/


Your support for the Invasion of Ukraine has nothing to do with Nazis, you're just believing what your two daddies, Trump and Putin, want you to believe.


Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Clyde Frog on March 17, 2022, 01:18:36 PM
I’m surprised she hasn’t called on Israel to lend Ukraine their space laser.
Well Ukraine is full of Nazis, according to her and all the very stable jeniuses that share a similar mindset (you can scroll back a few posts for a great demonstration), so with that in mind it might be more likely that she recommends Israel lend that space laser to Putin so he can use it for its obviously intended purpose.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 17, 2022, 02:53:18 PM
Repugnican thinks Ukrainians should just give up and let the Russians beat them up, just so that she and her snowflake friends don't have to watch it on TV;

https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-2656973028/

""If we truly care about suffering and death on our television screens, we cannot fund more of it by sending money and weaponry to fight a war they cannot possibly win!" she said. "The only effect of more arms and more money from America will be to prolong the war!""

I mean, she's not wrong.
Giving them weapons to fight with allows them to defend themselves, which prolongs the war.

Is it weird to see Republicans hating people defending their freedoms?
No.  No it is not.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 17, 2022, 03:37:52 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.

You can stamp your all-caps feet all you like, but if you continue to make wild assertions without any evidence, nobody is going to believe you.I don't have anything meaningful to add, as the facts are clear.
FTFY.

I cannot help it the sources you love to lean on so frequently reported on the reality of white nationalism in Ukraine as recently as 2 years ago and now want to sweep it under the rug.

You do not care and that's fine.

I do care and I want every single last one of them motherfuckers wiped out.

Don't try to tell me that is a position that needs more nuance or examined in context.

The bottom line: Are you saying that you are in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Just trying to cut to the chase.
The bottom line is I know these cocksuckers are staging events to play on the money game and getting rich off the reality TV (MSM), as usual. I want those NAZI motherfuckers in Ukraine wiped off the fucking planet.

The USA, Canada, and the UK have had a great deal of fun funding those motherfuckers over the past thirty years.

So your stance is that you are in support of Putin and his invasion of Ukraine? A simple Yes or No answer.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 17, 2022, 09:28:29 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.

You can stamp your all-caps feet all you like, but if you continue to make wild assertions without any evidence, nobody is going to believe you.I don't have anything meaningful to add, as the facts are clear.
FTFY.

I cannot help it the sources you love to lean on so frequently reported on the reality of white nationalism in Ukraine as recently as 2 years ago and now want to sweep it under the rug.

You do not care and that's fine.

I do care and I want every single last one of them motherfuckers wiped out.

Don't try to tell me that is a position that needs more nuance or examined in context.

The bottom line: Are you saying that you are in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Just trying to cut to the chase.
The bottom line is I know these cocksuckers are staging events to play on the money game and getting rich off the reality TV (MSM), as usual. I want those NAZI motherfuckers in Ukraine wiped off the fucking planet.

The USA, Canada, and the UK have had a great deal of fun funding those motherfuckers over the past thirty years.

So your stance is that you are in support of Putin and his invasion of Ukraine? A simple Yes or No answer.
I am in support of anyone invading that shitbag harbor and killing NAZI's; however, I am more in favor of you, Rama, AATW, pete, and kramer, picking up your sabres and giving it a go.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 17, 2022, 09:48:52 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.

You can stamp your all-caps feet all you like, but if you continue to make wild assertions without any evidence, nobody is going to believe you.I don't have anything meaningful to add, as the facts are clear.
FTFY.

I cannot help it the sources you love to lean on so frequently reported on the reality of white nationalism in Ukraine as recently as 2 years ago and now want to sweep it under the rug.

You do not care and that's fine.

I do care and I want every single last one of them motherfuckers wiped out.

Don't try to tell me that is a position that needs more nuance or examined in context.

The bottom line: Are you saying that you are in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Just trying to cut to the chase.
The bottom line is I know these cocksuckers are staging events to play on the money game and getting rich off the reality TV (MSM), as usual. I want those NAZI motherfuckers in Ukraine wiped off the fucking planet.

The USA, Canada, and the UK have had a great deal of fun funding those motherfuckers over the past thirty years.

So your stance is that you are in support of Putin and his invasion of Ukraine? A simple Yes or No answer.
I am in support of anyone invading that shitbag harbor and killing NAZI's; however, I am more in favor of you, Rama, AATW, pete, and kramer, picking up your sabres and giving it a go.
And the people who aren't Nazis?  I assume that killing them is "For the greater good"?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 17, 2022, 10:14:16 PM
MUH NUANCE!!!
Go ahead and dismiss as usual.

NAZI's are NAZI's and they appreciate your support here on this forum.

You can stamp your all-caps feet all you like, but if you continue to make wild assertions without any evidence, nobody is going to believe you.I don't have anything meaningful to add, as the facts are clear.
FTFY.

I cannot help it the sources you love to lean on so frequently reported on the reality of white nationalism in Ukraine as recently as 2 years ago and now want to sweep it under the rug.

You do not care and that's fine.

I do care and I want every single last one of them motherfuckers wiped out.

Don't try to tell me that is a position that needs more nuance or examined in context.

The bottom line: Are you saying that you are in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Just trying to cut to the chase.
The bottom line is I know these cocksuckers are staging events to play on the money game and getting rich off the reality TV (MSM), as usual. I want those NAZI motherfuckers in Ukraine wiped off the fucking planet.

The USA, Canada, and the UK have had a great deal of fun funding those motherfuckers over the past thirty years.

So your stance is that you are in support of Putin and his invasion of Ukraine? A simple Yes or No answer.
I am in support of anyone invading that shitbag harbor and killing NAZI's; however, I am more in favor of you, Rama, AATW, pete, and kramer, picking up your sabres and giving it a go.

Cool, got it. You support Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Good to know definitively where you're loyalties are.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: scomato on March 17, 2022, 11:05:29 PM
The House votes 424-8 to suspend normal trade relations with Russia, those 8 are a real who's who of crazies:
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Dan Bishop of North Carolina
Lauren Boebert of Colorado
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia
Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin
Thomas Massie of Kentucky
Chip Roy of Texas

At least they made it clear which side of the democracy/dictatorship debate they stand on.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: stack on March 17, 2022, 11:34:35 PM
Anyone know what the reasoning is for the nays? I can’t seem to find anything of real relevance.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 18, 2022, 05:06:32 AM
They're hard core members of the sedition caucus.

They're also idiots.  So who knows.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 18, 2022, 07:29:42 AM
Anyone know what the reasoning is for the nays? I can’t seem to find anything of real relevance.
The guy from Kentucky probabky has stocks in Russia companies.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 18, 2022, 10:56:50 AM
And the people who aren't Nazis?  I assume that killing them is "For the greater good"?
Hey, weren't you just championing the practice of capitalism?

"muh people..."
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 18, 2022, 01:53:49 PM
And the people who aren't Nazis?  I assume that killing them is "For the greater good"?
Hey, weren't you just championing the practice of capitalism?

"muh people..."
Capitalism ttyyyyypically doesn't involve airstrikes.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 18, 2022, 02:34:00 PM
Capitalism ttyyyyypically doesn't involve airstrikes.
False.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 18, 2022, 02:47:37 PM
And the people who aren't Nazis?  I assume that killing them is "For the greater good"?
Hey, weren't you just championing the practice of capitalism?

"muh people..."
Capitalism ttyyyyypically doesn't involve airstrikes.
Wow...You really, I mean really, have no idea about much of anything regarding economics, foreign affairs, politics, etc., do you?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 18, 2022, 02:56:19 PM
Wow...You really, I mean really, have no idea about much of anything regarding economics, foreign affairs, politics, etc., do you?

Spoken by someone who can't even explain the basic geography of this planet's major continents.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2022/03/16/a-russian-lawmaker-wants-alaska-back-good-luck-with-that/

Some Russians want to take Alaska back. I'm sure there are Americans who support them. After all, Putin only wants the best for us.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 18, 2022, 03:08:29 PM
Wow...You really, I mean really, have no idea about much of anything regarding economics, foreign affairs, politics, etc., do you?

Spoken by someone who can't even explain the basic geography of this planet's major continents.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2022/03/16/a-russian-lawmaker-wants-alaska-back-good-luck-with-that/

Some Russians want to take Alaska back. I'm sure there are Americans who support them. After all, Putin only wants the best for us.
Take a look at who is starting all the shit and who actually wants it to end.

Globetards are starting all the shit.

Globetards are supporting all the shit.

I would like for the shit to end, quickly at that.

But no, globetards are profiting WAY to much for it to end, so drag it out they will.

Because globetards don't give a fuck about people.

Why don't you pick up a gun and go over there and join the fight against the evil Cossack horde, kramer!?! I mean, for once, do something meaningful in your life, ffs.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 18, 2022, 03:23:17 PM
Take a look at who is starting all the shit and who actually wants it to end.

Globetards are starting all the shit.

Globetards are supporting all the shit.

I would like for the shit to end, quickly at that.

But no, globetards are profiting WAY to much for it to end, so drag it out they will.

Because globetards don't give a fuck about people.

Why don't you pick up a gun and go over there and join the fight against the evil Cossack horde, kramer!?! I mean, for once, do something meaningful in your life, ffs.

Globetards built everything in your world that you value. The power lines that deliver electricity to your conspiracy theory computer searches, the anti-lock braking system on your car (if you even have a car), the toilet you crap into and thousands of daily conveniences were designed and built by globetards. For all their supposed awareness, flat earthers can't even produce a useful map.

About my efforts to support Ukraine, you have no fucking clue what I'm doing.

You can support Putin your way and I'll oppose him my way.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 18, 2022, 03:45:37 PM
And the people who aren't Nazis?  I assume that killing them is "For the greater good"?
Hey, weren't you just championing the practice of capitalism?

"muh people..."
Capitalism ttyyyyypically doesn't involve airstrikes.
Wow...You really, I mean really, have no idea about much of anything regarding economics, foreign affairs, politics, etc., do you?

I mean... I live in a capitalist economy and I've never had to use, or have used on me, an airstrike.
So please, do explain how capitalism involves airstrikes.
Oh wait, does this mean capitalism only existed since like WW1?
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Action80 on March 18, 2022, 04:29:18 PM
I mean... I live in a capitalist economy I do not know what capitalism is, truly I do not.

FTFY
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 18, 2022, 04:41:33 PM
I value nothing of this world, especially some AI bot's worthless opinion.

And this world feels the same way about you.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tumeni on March 18, 2022, 06:19:16 PM
Anyone know what the reasoning is for the nays? I can’t seem to find anything of real relevance.

MTG is quoted as saying, essentially, "the Ukrainians can't win, so they should just give up" ....

Heartless beeyatch, make no mistake.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: crutonius on March 18, 2022, 06:27:19 PM
There's an article politico that I can't easily find where they asked these reps why they voted against it.

Most of them said that it gives Biden unchecked power to sanction anyone. I don't know if that's true or not.

Another reason they gave was that this Ukraine thing is distracting from problems here.

The best one I heard as one rep was concerned that Biden would use these powers to force transgendered rights on various parts of the world.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Tumeni on March 18, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
There's an article politico that I can't easily find where they asked these reps why they voted against it.

Rep. Andy Biggs (Ariz.): "What this bill did… it actually allows our president to go to almost anybody in the world and if they have a visa, he can take away their visa. He can freeze their assets regardless of whether they have anything to do with Russia whatsoever. He gets to define what a human rights abuse is and he gets to go after anybody he thinks might be committing some sort of human rights abuse."

Rep. Lauren Boebert (Colo.): "Congress keeps focusing on distractions abroad and not our own challenges brought on by Joe Biden at home. H.R. 1708 had bad language that could lead to sanctioning ‘human rights abusers’ who simply hold traditional views of life and family and restrict access to abortion. The bill also does nothing to spur domestic energy production.”

Rep. Chip Roy (Texas): "I generally support the underlying purpose of this bill, and likely would have voted for it had that been the sole focus. ... But I have deep concerns about the provisions of this bill that would permanently empower the President with the unilateral authority to issue sanctions against anyone who he deems responsible for an undefined 'serious human rights abuse.'" Full statement.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.) in a floor speech: "We need to focus on our country first. We’re seeing rapidly rising inflation. It’s completely out of control … All we’re hearing on the news is Ukraine, but yet here in America what real Americans care about is gas prices they can’t afford, inflation that goes up and up to where grocery bills are unaffordable, and they’re very concerned about our out-of-control open border. Crime is out of control, but yet Washington is completely disconnected.”

Rep. Thomas Massie (Ky.) in a tweet: "It gives the President broad authority to sanction virtually anyone, anywhere in the world, whether they are connected to Russia or not. Interventionists at the State Department are doing the happy dance now."

Rep. Matt Gaetz (Fla.) backed Biggs' rationale in a tweet: "I voted with Biggs for these reasons and others!"

Rep. Glenn Grothman (Wis.) in a floor speech Friday: "The president will have a new tool in his toolbox if he wants to force other countries to adapt the views of abortion and the views of LGBTQ that are the views, quite frankly, of the left wing of the Democratic Party. The President will be able to threaten the parliaments, or for all I know, lobbyists, demonstrators in foreign countries, by saying you can't get a visa to the United States because we don't like your stance on abortion, we don't like your stance on LGBTQ."

etc
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Lord Dave on March 18, 2022, 07:43:11 PM
There's an article politico that I can't easily find where they asked these reps why they voted against it.

Rep. Andy Biggs (Ariz.): "What this bill did… it actually allows our president to go to almost anybody in the world and if they have a visa, he can take away their visa. He can freeze their assets regardless of whether they have anything to do with Russia whatsoever. He gets to define what a human rights abuse is and he gets to go after anybody he thinks might be committing some sort of human rights abuse."

Rep. Lauren Boebert (Colo.): "Congress keeps focusing on distractions abroad and not our own challenges brought on by Joe Biden at home. H.R. 1708 had bad language that could lead to sanctioning ‘human rights abusers’ who simply hold traditional views of life and family and restrict access to abortion. The bill also does nothing to spur domestic energy production.”

Rep. Chip Roy (Texas): "I generally support the underlying purpose of this bill, and likely would have voted for it had that been the sole focus. ... But I have deep concerns about the provisions of this bill that would permanently empower the President with the unilateral authority to issue sanctions against anyone who he deems responsible for an undefined 'serious human rights abuse.'" Full statement.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.) in a floor speech: "We need to focus on our country first. We’re seeing rapidly rising inflation. It’s completely out of control … All we’re hearing on the news is Ukraine, but yet here in America what real Americans care about is gas prices they can’t afford, inflation that goes up and up to where grocery bills are unaffordable, and they’re very concerned about our out-of-control open border. Crime is out of control, but yet Washington is completely disconnected.”

Rep. Thomas Massie (Ky.) in a tweet: "It gives the President broad authority to sanction virtually anyone, anywhere in the world, whether they are connected to Russia or not. Interventionists at the State Department are doing the happy dance now."

Rep. Matt Gaetz (Fla.) backed Biggs' rationale in a tweet: "I voted with Biggs for these reasons and others!"

Rep. Glenn Grothman (Wis.) in a floor speech Friday: "The president will have a new tool in his toolbox if he wants to force other countries to adapt the views of abortion and the views of LGBTQ that are the views, quite frankly, of the left wing of the Democratic Party. The President will be able to threaten the parliaments, or for all I know, lobbyists, demonstrators in foreign countries, by saying you can't get a visa to the United States because we don't like your stance on abortion, we don't like your stance on LGBTQ."

etc

I've heard worse arguments.
But its all essentially "We're fraid Biden will make other countries like he wants" as tho Republicans wouldn't do the same.
Title: Re: Putin pulling the strings of Republicans
Post by: Rama Set on March 19, 2022, 02:02:51 PM
Yeah it’s concern trolling, nothing more. The GOP loves to wield power over people just as much the Dems and if the roles were reversed (and Trump wasn’t president) they would have done the same.