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« Reply #560 on: August 05, 2021, 07:06:25 PM »
Wait wait wait...

You consider something a pandemic if you can see the virus isolated?  Like in a petridish?
What, you think this is unusual?

Not surprising, based on your prior posts, so here it is.

Hw would your doctor know you actually have MRSA or strep throat or(perhaps closer to your own experience),  syphilis or gonorrhea or chlamydia?

..... Yes.  Yes it is unusual.  Ok, you need to learn words.  Go down to your local library.  Ask them for a dictionary.  And look up the word 'Pandemic'.  Because you have no idea what it is.


As for how my doctor knows... Based on symptoms and possibly some chemical tests of my blood.  Remember, doctors were diagnosing illnesses before the discovery of DNA.  Which came before the electron microscope.  Also, no doctor takes a swap, sends it to a lab where they filter out all but viruses, map each one's gnome, then check it via a database.  Is that what you honestly think they do?
No, they were not diagnosing illnesses. They administering treatments based on symptoms.

Jesus.

You need to just go lie down somewhere in the corner and take a rest.

The need to spread fear porn is overwhelming your ability to make cogent posts.
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #561 on: August 05, 2021, 07:41:08 PM »
You know how electron microscopes create images, right?

Via a computer.

Making the date listed for image creation totally relevant.

Just another instance of the CDC pulling the RABBIT FROM THEIR ASS.

No because you have no evidence the image was created the same day the case was diagnosed. That’s the entire basis for your objection and you have no evidence for it. Perhaps start with the basics.

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« Reply #562 on: August 05, 2021, 09:20:17 PM »
Wait wait wait...

You consider something a pandemic if you can see the virus isolated?  Like in a petridish?
What, you think this is unusual?

Not surprising, based on your prior posts, so here it is.

Hw would your doctor know you actually have MRSA or strep throat or(perhaps closer to your own experience),  syphilis or gonorrhea or chlamydia?

..... Yes.  Yes it is unusual.  Ok, you need to learn words.  Go down to your local library.  Ask them for a dictionary.  And look up the word 'Pandemic'.  Because you have no idea what it is.


As for how my doctor knows... Based on symptoms and possibly some chemical tests of my blood.  Remember, doctors were diagnosing illnesses before the discovery of DNA.  Which came before the electron microscope.  Also, no doctor takes a swap, sends it to a lab where they filter out all but viruses, map each one's gnome, then check it via a database.  Is that what you honestly think they do?
No, they were not diagnosing illnesses. They administering treatments based on symptoms.
And how do they know which treatment to administer?  I'll give you a hint: It starts with D.

Seriously, this "I don't understand words" troll is old.  Find new material.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #563 on: August 06, 2021, 12:22:52 AM »
Tuberculosis and lung cancers are also respiratory illnesses that aren’t flus.
Alberta is taking the same approach as it would to any other respiratory illness.

That is a fact.

Context matters.  They are taking this approach because of the vaccine.
When you have no proof of a scientific nature in order to justify prior measures and are asked to provide it, but do not, then the reason why you are dropping it is evident.
Still waiting for this source that says they drooped it because Canada didn't provide any scientific evidence covid is dangerous.
No Canadian province has provided evidence for a pandemic.

Neither has any other country, for that matter.

That's a bold statement, given all the verifiable evidence we've seen of a pandemic. Which conservative voice is the puppeteer on this particular claim, if you don't mind my asking?
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
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« Reply #564 on: August 06, 2021, 11:47:30 AM »
Tuberculosis and lung cancers are also respiratory illnesses that aren’t flus.
Alberta is taking the same approach as it would to any other respiratory illness.

That is a fact.

Context matters.  They are taking this approach because of the vaccine.
When you have no proof of a scientific nature in order to justify prior measures and are asked to provide it, but do not, then the reason why you are dropping it is evident.
Still waiting for this source that says they drooped it because Canada didn't provide any scientific evidence covid is dangerous.
No Canadian province has provided evidence for a pandemic.

Neither has any other country, for that matter.

That's a bold statement, given all the verifiable evidence we've seen of a pandemic. Which conservative voice is the puppeteer on this particular claim, if you don't mind my asking?
What verifiable evidence?
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #565 on: August 06, 2021, 12:01:31 PM »
Yeah Rushy!  Where's the youtube video that proves Lackey right?  Because that's the inly valid evidence acceptable!
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #566 on: August 06, 2021, 12:12:59 PM »
Tuberculosis and lung cancers are also respiratory illnesses that aren’t flus.
Alberta is taking the same approach as it would to any other respiratory illness.

That is a fact.

Context matters.  They are taking this approach because of the vaccine.
When you have no proof of a scientific nature in order to justify prior measures and are asked to provide it, but do not, then the reason why you are dropping it is evident.
Still waiting for this source that says they drooped it because Canada didn't provide any scientific evidence covid is dangerous.
No Canadian province has provided evidence for a pandemic.

Neither has any other country, for that matter.

That's a bold statement, given all the verifiable evidence we've seen of a pandemic. Which conservative voice is the puppeteer on this particular claim, if you don't mind my asking?
What verifiable evidence?

I mean, it's all over the place. Unless you're really dumb enough to think the worldwide spike in deaths we experienced last year was pure coincidence (lol). Which brilliant Conservative mind told you the smart thing to do would be to just argue that there is no evidence that we ever had a pandemic?
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
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« Reply #567 on: August 06, 2021, 12:44:10 PM »
There was a spike in deaths due to the lockdown and fear of contracting Covid, delaying hospital and clinic care.

https://www.kxl.com/study-shows-increase-in-non-covid-deaths-during-pandemic/

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(Portland, OR) — Health officials say there was an increase in deaths from non-COVID-19 related conditions during the pandemic. A Providence Health study found unplanned hospitalizations were cut up to 50-percent while deaths increased 20-percent. People held off going to hospitals for heart issues, strokes and care for chronic conditions due to fear they’d get COVID-19. Doctors say people need to know that medical clinics, hospitals, and emergency rooms are safe places to get medical care.

People being afraid of going to the hospital means that there were excess deaths.

Also, they changed the way deaths were reported for Covid to include anyone who died 'with' Covid rather than 'of' Covid, unlike the reporting for the flu deaths and other diseases, inflating the Covid death toll.
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« Reply #568 on: August 06, 2021, 03:22:12 PM »
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
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« Reply #569 on: August 06, 2021, 03:27:37 PM »
Soon to star in her next hit sitcom: ex-friends


Possibly the worst post on this entire site. I'm sorry you just read that.

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« Reply #570 on: August 06, 2021, 03:48:56 PM »
Also, they changed the way deaths were reported for Covid to include anyone who died 'with' Covid rather than 'of' Covid
If you're not going to mention motorcycle crashes then don't even bother.
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« Reply #571 on: August 06, 2021, 07:22:51 PM »
There was a spike in deaths due to the lockdown and fear of contracting Covid, delaying hospital and clinic care.

What would you reckon, out of the 600k+ deaths attributed to Covid, the percentage is of real Covid positive patients versus those who actually are misrepresented as dying of Covid when in actuality they died due to the lockdown and fear of contracting Covid, delaying hospital and clinic?

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« Reply #572 on: August 06, 2021, 07:49:14 PM »
I reckon that the pandemic is a overhyped falsity, as evidenced by:

- Mainly old and chronically ill people being affected by the 'deadly' disease
- Flu cases going away during the period of Covid
- CDC admitting that the PCR tests can't differentiate between influenza and Covid

The flu cases were way down in 2020-2021 flu season, leading some to believe that the statistics are being manipulated or the Covid tests are cross-testing with existing diseases.



Another source:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/10/flu-cases-historically-low-during-covid-what-expect-fall/7088318002/

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Public health and clinical laboratories reported 2,038 flu cases during the season from Sept. 27, 2020, to April 24, 2021, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The agency estimated about 38 million people were sick with the flu during the 2019-2020 season.

“It’s been an amazing year,” said Dr. John Swartzberg, a professor emeritus of infectious diseases at the University of California, Berkeley in the school of public health. “In all my years of being a flu watcher … I’ve never seen anything like this.”

The article also attributes the cause to "mask wearing," "social distancing" and "hand washing".

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A year full of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing and staying at home to prevent coronavirus spread rendered the 2020-2021 influenza season practically nonexistent.

Assuming that people even did it right (they didn't, almost no one practices the proper hand washing hygiene when putting on and taking off masks that surgeons perform) why does that defeat the flu, but not Covid?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/



Oh, so the flu is nearly completely eliminated in the 2020-2021 Flu Season, but COVID runs unchecked, creating similar numbers to what the flu did in the 2019-2020 Flu Season (38 Million). That definitely makes a lot of sense.  ::)

So the CDC declared it will withdraw its request for PCR test use on an emergency basis on December 31, and strongly suggests labs adopt new tests capable of "differentiation between COVlD-19 and influenza."

They seem to be quietly admitting PCR tests can't differentiate between COVlD-19 and the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html



This appears to explain why the flu completely vanished during Covid, as previously discussed.

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« Reply #573 on: August 06, 2021, 08:16:53 PM »
It does not say PCR tests can’t differentiate between flu and COVID. It suggests the replacement should be able to test for both in a single sample.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-pcr-test-idUSL1N2P42U5

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« Reply #574 on: August 06, 2021, 08:31:51 PM »
It does not say PCR tests can’t differentiate between flu and COVID. It suggests the replacement should be able to test for both in a single sample.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-pcr-test-idUSL1N2P42U5

They want a test that can differentiate between the two. This suggests that it's not capable of that. That's why the request to use it is getting recalled.

You linked me to one of your liberal fact check sites from an anonymous author. You may as well be citing something that your child said.
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« Reply #575 on: August 06, 2021, 08:36:51 PM »
I reckon that the pandemic is a overhyped falsity, as evidenced by:

- Mainly old and chronically ill people being affected by the 'deadly' disease
- Flu cases going away during the period of Covid
- CDC admitting that the PCR tests can't differentiate between influenza and Covid

I asked about your take on specifically the 600k+ US deaths attributed to Covid and what percentage you think is false attribution? Just ballpark it. Something more specific than just an "overhyped falsity".

As for your third bullet, "CDC admitting that the PCR tests can't differentiate between influenza and Covid," that seems to be an actual overhyped falsity and a major misinterpretation.

From the Kaiser Foundation:

Claims That CDC’s PCR Test Can’t Tell Covid From Flu Are Wrong
https://khn.org/news/article/fact-check-cdc-pcr-covid-test-distinguishes-from-flu-eua-request-withdrawal/

There' a lot of info in the article that shows these FB meme claims to be demonstratively false. I'll try to summarize the gist, but do read the full article. It's not long but covers off quite comprehensively on why the meme claims are bunk.

The CDC requested the FDA cancel the EUA for the original PCR assay/protocol they published (not manufactured) in Feb 2020 in lieu of introducing a new PCR assay that tests for not only Covid but various Influenza viruses as well.   

In short, it's not that the original PCR tests couldn't differentiate between Covid and Influenza strains it's that it ONLY tested for Covid and Covid alone. The thinking now by the CDC with the new assay is that it actually looks for and differentiates between Covid AND various Influenza strains as they feel it's more important, more efficient, more cost effective to have one assay for Covid AND Influenza.

"In the lab alert, the CDC said it was withdrawing the EUA request because, rather than testing only for the covid virus, it wants labs to test people for multiple viruses simultaneously, using what is known as a “multiplexed method.” The CDC’s 2019-nCoV RT-PCR panel tests only for the covid virus.

“Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season,” noted the alert regarding the multiplexed method.
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They didn’t withdraw the EUA because the test wasn’t working,” said Whittier. “They just wanted people to look for other viruses as well.” Whittier is Dr. Susan Whittier, PhD, a professor of pathology and cell biology at Columbia University Irving Medical Center.


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« Reply #576 on: August 06, 2021, 08:50:26 PM »
Wow, an article from someone who "recently graduated with her master’s in health journalism" and takes from someone with a PhD who was not actually directly involved. That must be true!

On the FDA's own website for the emergency authorization for the PCR Diagnostic Panel they say that they used other viruses to calibrate the machine, rather than Covid.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

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« Reply #577 on: August 06, 2021, 08:55:56 PM »
You linked me to one of your liberal fact check sites from an anonymous author. You may as well be citing something that your child said.
lol, you regularly link people to Wiki pages which you wrote.
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« Reply #578 on: August 06, 2021, 08:59:03 PM »
You linked me to one of your liberal fact check sites from an anonymous author. You may as well be citing something that your child said.
lol, you regularly link people to Wiki pages which you wrote.

Actually, most of it is cited from other sources. But glad to hear that your argument is to implicitly agree with me and resort to a what-about-um.
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« Reply #579 on: August 06, 2021, 09:28:16 PM »
It does not say PCR tests can’t differentiate between flu and COVID. It suggests the replacement should be able to test for both in a single sample.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-pcr-test-idUSL1N2P42U5

They want a test that can differentiate between the two. This suggests that it's not capable of that. That's why the request to use it is getting recalled.

Your inference needs more than your suspicions to be taken seriously. The CDC report says nothing about PCR tests not being able to tell the difference between COVID. The CDC spokesperson said newer tests,that they are recommending, needs only a single sample to test for both.

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You linked me to one of your liberal fact check sites from an anonymous author. You may as well be citing something that your child said.

If you are comparing Reuters, a reputable press service to a random kids pronouncements, then you’re a fucking moron. Are you a moron, Tom?