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This one is a bit long, but interesting. Jeran presents a marathon of quotes from various physcists and astronomers who make statements along the lines that Heliocentrism and diunral motion are untenable or unverified, and that rejection of evidence or the invocation of illusions are used to explain failings. Runtime 3h:"I do not have a model that works"
Whether you believe in a flat earth or round earth, you must accept the fact that some stars are/aren't visible depending on your relative location. These are simple observations done by people who aren't even interested in this conspiracy theory, probably don't even know about it.Then, the Text experiment:
Any southern country, south of Argentina, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, can easily see Alpha Crucis (the bright absolute -4.14 magnitude star on the Crux Constellation), almost simultaneously during winter time, July, since the darkness of the sky allows it. That is a fact for millions that live on the very southern hemisphere, they can even take pictures with date/time to show it.
Easy answer: no. As reported by Rowbotham, see https://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za48.htm, Sir James Clarke Ross could not see Sigma Octantis for a fair while, even if he was supposed to see it as RET states. So your test experiment cannot work. From your computations it's clear you're assuming RE before proving it, so you're biased.
I thought most flat earthers claimed that space is fake?what is this system (Earth, dome) accelerating through?Space. The same thing the earth is moving through in the Round Earth model.
How about you read the FAQ, and then ask why no one can be bothered to answer your question?I did. It says nothing about this in the FAQ, so I looked in the Wiki. Big surprise! Nothing about it. So, that being said, how can 24 hour sun in Antarctica be possible on a flat earth?
Anyway, I’m skeptical of the Earth not being movable. A long time from now, the Sun will move from the main sequence to the horizontal branch phase, and then later it will die as a white dwarf. During these episodes, it will shed a fraction of its mass as solar winds. This will impact the orbit of the earth around it (and the other planets too). So indeed, the earth will be moved.I don't think Flat Earthers believe that the Sun undergoes a thermonuclear process to produce energy. If they do, the Sun would literally be as dense as a neutron star. And no red supergiant is as small as a city.
According to the FAQ, the seasons are caused by the sun moving towards and away from the north pole. During the Summer (northern hemisphere), the sun is closest to the North Pole, making the southern hemisphere warmer than the southern hemisphere. During the winter, the opposite is true. Now according to Newton's first law of motion, an object will remain in motion/rest until acted upon by an outside force. This means that in order for the sun to go closer to and farther from the North pole, a force needs to act upon it. What force is causing the sun to do this? What is making it suddenly travel away from the north pole, then towards it after a couple of months?To add on, the Southern Hemisphere summer is hotter than the Northern Hemisphere. This makes perfect sense on the heliocentric model because even though the distance to the Sun doesn't affect seasons, our perihelion is usually January 2-3, which is what causes the Southern Hemisphere to have a hotter summer during their summer. This contradicts the flat earth theory because the FE Wiki claims that the Sun changes altitude to cause moon phases, yet doesn't mention anything about this problem.
During the Summer (northern hemisphere), the sun is closest to the North Pole, making the southern hemisphere warmer than the southern hemisphere.
What do you mean?Not to mention, the first picture of space was taken in 1946. That is decades before CGI, Photoshop, and even the modern computer.
Hilarious?
Let's go over it step by step. I'm going to have to make some guesses since your problem description is extremely non-specific. If at any point I'm mistaken, simply provide a clear guide to reproduce your issue.
I've uploaded an image to imgur. Here's a link to the album: https://imgur.com/a/fNSg3hs
It is my assumption that your final product looked something along the lines of [img]https://imgur.com/a/fNSg3hs[/img] or [img]https://imgur.com/bIRhQJv[/img], neither of which would work.
What you need to do is use the URL of the actual image file - in my case that would be https://i.imgur.com/bIRhQJv.jpg. You can obtain it in a number of ways, but here are a couple of quick examples:
Option 1: [Should work for most websites]. Right-click on the image and find the "Copy image address" (Chrome) or "Copy Image Location" (Firefox) option. Different browsers may use slightly different names, but it should be within the realm of the obvious now that you know what you're looking for. The correct URL is now in your clipboard.
Option 2: [Specifically for imgur, for any image you personally uploaded] When you mouseover the image you've just uploaded. You should see a small context menu in the top right corner.
Navigate to the "Get share links" option, and copy the "BBCode (Forums)" option. Note that this already includes the [img] tag, so you won't need to add it.
Regardless of the option you chose, you should arrive at the following conclusion:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/bIRhQJv.jpg[/img]
Which, of course, displays as intended:
Let's go over it step by step. I'm going to have to make some guesses since your problem description is extremely non-specific. If at any point I'm mistaken, simply provide a clear guide to reproduce your issue.Thank you guys so much. I finally figured out how to do it!
I've uploaded an image to imgur. Here's a link to the album: https://imgur.com/a/fNSg3hs
It is my assumption that your final product looked something along the lines of [img]https://imgur.com/a/fNSg3hs[/img] or [img]https://imgur.com/bIRhQJv[/img], neither of which would work.
What you need to do is use the URL of the actual image file - in my case that would be https://i.imgur.com/bIRhQJv.jpg. You can obtain it in a number of ways, but here are a couple of quick examples:
Option 1: [Should work for most websites]. Right-click on the image and find the "Copy image address" (Chrome) or "Copy Image Location" (Firefox) option. Different browsers may use slightly different names, but it should be within the realm of the obvious now that you know what you're looking for. The correct URL is now in your clipboard.
Option 2: [Specifically for imgur, for any image you personally uploaded] When you mouseover the image you've just uploaded. You should see a small context menu in the top right corner.
Navigate to the "Get share links" option, and copy the "BBCode (Forums)" option. Note that this already includes the [img] tag, so you won't need to add it.
Regardless of the option you chose, you should arrive at the following conclusion:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/bIRhQJv.jpg[/img]
Which, of course, displays as intended:
Not to mention, the first picture of space was taken in 1946. That is decades before CGI, Photoshop, and even the modern computer.
10. Images from space
In the past 60 years of space exploration, we’ve launched satellites, probes, and people into space. Some of them got back, some of them still float through the solar system (and almost beyond it), and many transmit amazing images to our receivers on Earth. In all of these photos, the Earth is (wait for it) spherical. The curvature of the Earth is also visible in the many, many, many, many photos snapped by astronauts aboard the International Space Station. You can see a recent example from ISS Commander Scott Kelly's Instagram right here:
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Have the image hosted elsewhere (imgur, etc)Thanks for your response. Though, for some reason the picture still won't show. I created a new account on Imgur, uploaded a photo, and copied the link while having the "Insert Image" box when I pasted the URL. What am I doing wrong? Maybe my computer is just too slow.
Click the "Insert Image" box above the reply box, and paste URL of image in.
If available, use the BBCode supplied by the host site (imgur does this) and paste that URL in without using Insert Image
What are the other models that aren't contradicted by this evidence? I've heard of the "bi-polar" one but the distances of land masses are still wrong.Need to Know Stuff
- Qantas uses the Boeing 747-400 aircraft https://www.qantas.com/us/en/about-us/our-company/fleet/qantas-b747-400.html
- The 747-400 maximum fuel capacity is 14,200km for travel
- Distance from Sydney to Johannesburg is 11,060km on the globe
- Flight time is 13h 20m
- Therefore, a plane travels 830km/h
Distance on the Flat Earth
-Longitude of Sydney Airport is 151.1 degrees East
-Longitude of Johannesburg Airport is 28.2 degrees East
Difference of 122.9 degrees
-Sydney Airport is 13764km from North Pole
-Johannesburg Airport is 12887km from North pole
Math
Use Rule of Cosines
d^2 = a^2 + b^2 -2ab cos(C)
d = 189447696 + 166074769 -2(12764)(12887)(-.54)
d= 23,090
Conclusion
The distance from those two points on the Azimuthal Projection is 2.08x greater than the distance on the globe, therefore a plane will have to travel 2.08x faster, or 1726km/h. This is impossible because the maximum speed of the aircraft is only 988km/h.
Furthermore, the maximum fuel capacity of the aircraft can travel a distance of 14,200km. That is only 60% of the fuel needed to cross the distance on the Azimuthal Projection.
This has been discussed so many times on here. While I agree with your consensus that these observations severely weaken claims made by the very specific flat earth model presented in the wiki there are dozens of other flat earth models. Several of which are not weakened by these observations. Because these observations severely weaken predictions of claims made in the flat disk model with an ice wall and the north pole in the center there are many other flat earth models for people to follow.
For supporters of the models that are weakened by this evidence and these observations I got all the rebuttals from a flight time superthread. (Pick any one of your rebuttals from the list below) Here's a link:
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.0
-Because the angles of a triangle drawn between three flight paths = 180 degrees the earth is flat.
-Because the angles of a triangle drawn between three flight paths = 179.99984 degrees the earth is slightly concave.
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg121615#msg121615
-Distances between two cities which are far apart is unknown
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg121996#msg121996
-Flight GPS systems are inaccurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122030#msg122030
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122441#msg122441
-GPS systems are based on a round earth therefore will give measurements/distances which support a round earth.
-Aircraft are using instruments which assume round earth coordinates which will support a round earth.
-There is no flat earth map.
-The difference in flight time is based off of flight speed which has yet to be proven.
-The airplane speed and range is based off round systems therefore will give speeds and ranges which support a round earth
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122359#msg122359
-plane speed measurements are unreliable
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122364#msg122364
-there are no flat earth flight programs, systems, GPS etc because the flat earth aircraft navigation fund is nonexistent.
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122369#msg122369
-Triangulation as a measurement of distance can be inaccurate because the "known" locations used for triangulation are based on a round earth system
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122410#msg122410
-there are almost an infinite number of continental configurations (If a flight disproves flat earth continental configuration 23985729387592873 you then need to test continental configuration 23985729387592874).
-Groundspeed measurement instruments use a round earth coordinate system therefore will give results which support a round earth
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122411#msg122411
-proof is needed that mile measurements on a highway are accurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122423#msg122423
-Google maps is based on a round earth coordinate system
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122433#msg122433
-any navigation system based on longitude and latitude is a round earth navigation system (which is most likely used in all navigation systems)
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122655#msg122655
-any map, navigation, or measurement system which uses Latitude and Longitude in any way is inaccurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122664#msg122664
-That's not the map of the earth (a variant of there is no map of the earth)
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122672#msg122672
Da heck. I remember hearing about this, so I just googled "flat earthers going to edge expedition" I didn't even read the site I sourced lol. Another site says they ARE going to go to the "edge" so honestly I don't know.Is it True that there is a planned expedition to Prove the Ice Ring by going to "Antarctica"? Will the "Drive the Parameter" all the way around?Yes. They plan to start in 2020, until then, I can't wait.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2019/03/16/flat-earth-supporters-now-plan-an-antarctica-expedition-to-the-edge-of-the-world/
I’m casting my vote for a complete live stream of the whole thing.
Wait. What’s the point in circumnavigating the perimeter? Won’t they end up at their starting position in both a FE and RE scenario?
Why don’t they go into the continent?
Is it True that there is a planned expedition to Prove the Ice Ring by going to "Antarctica"? Will the "Drive the Parameter" all the way around?Yes. They plan to start in 2020, until then, I can't wait.
