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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Investigations => Topic started by: Toddler Thork on March 14, 2021, 10:18:21 PM

Title: The Line
Post by: Toddler Thork on March 14, 2021, 10:18:21 PM
The Line is a new $500bn development in Saudi Arabia. For reasons that are likely linked to low IQ and incompetence, the Crown Prince of Saudi has ordered a city that stretches 170km in a dead straight line. He clearly doesn't understand agglomeration, what happens should your soul transport link have an issue and that his is an oil rich nation and banning cars along a 170km stretch is absolute dumbfuckery. But, we aren't here to discuss the economic merits of such a venture. This city will have a hyperloop under it so I think you can guess whose Kool-Aid the Prince has been drinking.

Below is a little video if you'd like to know more about this bonkers project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41sgRP0G6y4

What we care about of course ... is earth's shape. And if you are to build a 170km straight line on a flat earth, it will look like a dead straight line. If you are to do that on a round earth, its going to follow a great circle.

(https://wp-assets.futurism.com/2021/01/saudi-arabia-the-line-city-neom.jpg) (https://assets.arquitecturaviva.com/assets/uploads/articulos/71039/av_medium__av_180172.jpeg?h=bd44bce0) (https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2021/01/the-line-neom-saudi-arabia-map_dezeen_2364_sq_4.jpg)

As you can see from this great circle mapper over Saudi ... I'm expecting to see some bend at this scale.
Click for bendy goodness (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=DOH-BAH/AHB/DMM/ELQ/HOF/JED/MED/RUH/TIF/YNB/AUH/DWC/DXB/RKT/SHJ/HBE/CAI/LXR,TUU,TIP,SAH,w:1,c:darkgreen,DOH-MLE&PM=b:disc7%2B%22%25N%2212&PC=%238a3f6e&PW=2&MS=wls2)

Not a bit of it. The Saudis know what shape the earth is, and they are building a city to prove it.
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 14, 2021, 10:44:56 PM
And our survey says...

Come on, dude. To see a noticeable bend you're going to draw a line a lot longer than that

Here's a line in Saudi around 850km long, drawn on Google Maps which depicts the earth (correctly) as a globe at larger scales:

(https://i.ibb.co/bvt1JZq/Bend2.jpg)

You have to go thousands of miles before you see noticeable bend because the earth is big:

(https://i.ibb.co/8YBmz4N/bend1.jpg)

170km is less than 1% of the earth's circumference. It's about 1.5 degrees. Even if you were looking at that side on you'd struggle to notice that, and in these pictures you're looking from overhead so you wouldn't see it anyway.
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: Toddler Thork on March 14, 2021, 10:49:35 PM
I can see a bend quite clearly on the great circle mapper.

At every reference to this project (and feel free to google away to prove me wrong), there are multiple mentions of a linear city and there isn't a single mention of great circles anywhere. This city is being built with the knowledge that earth isn't a ball.
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 14, 2021, 11:00:05 PM
At every reference to this project (and feel free to google away to prove me wrong), there are multiple mentions of a linear city and there isn't a single mention of great circles anywhere. This city is being built with the knowledge that earth isn't a ball.
Why would they mention great circles? Those are used in airline route planning, not city planning.
You don't need to account for the earth's curve when building roads or railways, they will naturally follow the curve of the earth.
If you're building something like LIGO which tunnels through the earth then you do need to account for it, and they did

https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/facts
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: Toddler Thork on March 14, 2021, 11:06:52 PM
You don't need to account for the earth's curve when building roads or railways, they will naturally follow the curve of the earth.

Oooh, ok. Let's keep that quote. You'll be eating those words with a side of humble pie at some time in the future.


... you understand that if you build over a great circle rather than a map point to point on a round earth ... you build in a different place? I mean, imagine if the Saudis build their flat earth city in a dead straight line ... and round earth lunatic Elon Musk builds the hyperloop for it on a great circle ... at the centre point of the city, its going to be a hell of a walk from your house to the nearest station.

As an aside ... does this hypersonic rail connection stop every 500 yards to allow people to get on in this carless city, or are you expected to walk 30+ miles to a station so that the fast train isn't spending all its time starting stopping and waiting? This is such a stupid idea. All they did was clumsily reveal earth's shape as flat. I expect the Biden administration to order them to make changes to their literature very soon to include great circles.
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: stack on March 14, 2021, 11:45:06 PM
You don't need to account for the earth's curve when building roads or railways, they will naturally follow the curve of the earth.

Oooh, ok. Let's keep that quote. You'll be eating those words with a side of humble pie at some time in the future.


... you understand that if you build over a great circle rather than a map point to point on a round earth ... you build in a different place? I mean, imagine if the Saudis build their flat earth city in a dead straight line ... and round earth lunatic Elon Musk builds the hyperloop for it on a great circle ... at the centre point of the city, its going to be a hell of a walk from your house to the nearest station.

As an aside ... does this hypersonic rail connection stop every 500 yards to allow people to get on in this carless city, or are you expected to walk 30+ miles to a station so that the fast train isn't spending all its time starting stopping and waiting? This is such a stupid idea. All they did was clumsily reveal earth's shape as flat. I expect the Biden administration to order them to make changes to their literature very soon to include great circles.

I don't understand why you're even bringing up Great Circles for such a short distance. Those are used to define the shortest long haul distance/path between two points. As AATW mentioned, they are used all of the time in long-haul air travel/transport for again, long-hauls, e.g. trans-continentals, trans-oceans, long hops and such. You don't really get into Great Circle necessity until about 500 miles or so, give or take. If you want to bore a straight shot tunnel over a measly 100 miles (170KM) from point A to B, start at A and bore your way to B. And if you had to bore a lot longer distance, say London to LA, same thing, and you would be doing so defacto in a Great Circle.

Here's what a London to LA Great Circle looks like on a Mercator Globe Projection:

(https://i.imgur.com/YXpX2n7.png)

Here's what a London to LA Great Circle looks like on a Globe - A good ole straight line:

(https://i.imgur.com/hnIgWxf.png)

If you really want to see what the Great Circle route looks like over such a short distance, here you go:

(https://i.imgur.com/XXHHNoC.png)
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 15, 2021, 08:06:14 AM
... you understand that if you build over a great circle rather than a map point to point on a round earth ... you build in a different place?
I do understand that.
Do you understand that a great circle when looked at top down is a straight line? So looking at a great circle line top down on a map and saying “Aha! You see? Straight!” isn’t the zinger you think it is. Especially when the line you draw is a fraction of a percent of the Earth’s circumference.

Do you also understand that great circles are useful when planning air travel routes, but not so much if you want to plan a city in a straight line. Most straight lines on earth - in the sense of a consistent bearing - aren’t Great Circles. Let’s say they want this city to go exactly East West. Unless they’re at the equator that isn’t part of a Great Circle.
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: Tumeni on March 15, 2021, 08:29:16 AM
What does it look like if you stretch a piece of string across that area of land on a simple educational globe?
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 15, 2021, 02:00:29 PM
What does it look like if you stretch a piece of string across that area of land on a simple educational globe?
I was going to stretch a piece of string but then I realised that the globe I have already has an equator line on it which will work just as well.

If you take the picture from an angle then you can see some curve. Take it from right overhead and it's basically straight, because of course it is. If you look at a circle edge on then it's just a line:

(https://i.ibb.co/Cv614gL/equator.jpg)

And this line across Africa is around 3,600km long, 20 times longer than the one Thork was originally taking about.
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: stevecanuck on March 15, 2021, 05:13:20 PM

What we care about of course ... is earth's shape. And if you are to build a 170km straight line on a flat earth, it will look like a dead straight line. If you are to do that on a round earth, its going to follow a great circle.

Not even close. You can pick a direction, any direction, and travel in a straight line for 40,000 km if you want to. You'll simply end up where you started, and that line would be dead straight to you the whole time. There would be NO left/right (x,y) deviation. You would "bend" 360° along the z axis.

You would be correct if said line was supposed to run due east or west. Unless you're on the equator, due east and west are arcs.
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: Elyn95 on April 02, 2021, 07:03:36 PM
This is going to be the greatest global reveal of FE. Thank you MBS.
Do you think anyone will pay attention?
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: FlatOutBrian on April 03, 2021, 02:06:58 PM
I can see a bend quite clearly on the great circle mapper.

At every reference to this project (and feel free to google away to prove me wrong), there are multiple mentions of a linear city and there isn't a single mention of great circles anywhere. This city is being built with the knowledge that earth isn't a ball.
   True...this debate has been over for years. The earth has been proven to be flat many times over. Only thing keeping globe earth spinning is the blindness of sci-fi lovers and mason lucifarian lies through out the internet. As they the masons own all msm and internet. It's truly a mason world. As they literally even own the minds of most people.
The exalt wireless test though for one is 100% proof of flat earth. Though many nasa mason shills flood the internet with deception with the help of Google to keep Satans lie pumping. They put up silly equations with even sillier artwork to prove exalt had line of sight. Which they do agree must be found to make this test a success. Its hillarious really that many blindly still defend Satan's lie as with just common sense and simple research proves this test could only have been done on a flat earth.
Exalt wireless test at 146miles.
All one needs to do it look up these simple facts and use the demons globe earth curvature calculator to figure it out.
The test was done from Cyprus to Lebanon.
The highest point in Cyprus is 6404ft. in Lebanon 10131ft. These highest points are closer too or over 300miles apart. But for sake of globe earthers lets call it 146miles and use no tilting away from eachother of the mountains or towers.
So with 146miles on the globe equaling 14213.5 ft till the horizon line from point A to point B. Using 2 towers at 2000ft in length with again no tilt at all. Just going straight up from points A & B with the horizon line drawn coming up from the center. While calling the highest points in each nation 146miles. Thats only 8404ft high in Cyprus and 12131 in Lebanon to the top of the towers.
Even with no tilt away and giving the highest point's of each nation half the distance they truly are. The highest tower is still over 2000ft short of seeing over the horizon line.
Don't need to be a rocket scientist to do this figuring. A kindergarten could figure this out. 😆 yet here we are years later watching glober earthers hate and ridicule the truth. For they won't let go of the lie they love dearly. Thier hopes of going to Mars have come crashing down. All thier love and hope for a star wars/star trek future has been destroyed.
Though many hate God or pretend there is no God. Which the globe lie helps them pretend as they feel they won't be judged in the end. As if Gods a liar and masons lies the truth. If they accept the truth they will then have to stop all the sinning they so enjoyed and or be better people. But its more fun for them to just pretend to be wise and copy n paste what mason lies they know as if educated themselves. Using equations they themselves can't understand or people use others finely worded arguments as thier own. When truly they never tested a thing. They're just out to hate for thier own enjoyment. Again to feel wise but are truly fools. As all masons are as well.
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: Tumeni on April 03, 2021, 04:52:34 PM
It looks like you're the same 'Brian' that posted here;

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/525540/longest-wireless-transmission

with broadly the same narrative. However, you haven't shown your work. Tell us how you arrived at your figures, would you?
Title: Re: The Line
Post by: DuncanDoenitz on April 04, 2021, 10:53:18 PM
I can see a bend quite clearly on the great circle mapper.

At every reference to this project (and feel free to google away to prove me wrong), there are multiple mentions of a linear city and there isn't a single mention of great circles anywhere. This city is being built with the knowledge that earth isn't a ball.
   True...this debate has been over for years. The earth has been proven to be flat many times over. Only thing keeping globe earth spinning is the blindness of sci-fi lovers and mason lucifarian lies through out the internet. As they the masons own all msm and internet. It's truly a mason world. As they literally even own the minds of most people.
The exalt wireless test though for one is 100% proof of flat earth. Though many nasa mason shills flood the internet with deception with the help of Google to keep Satans lie pumping. They put up silly equations with even sillier artwork to prove exalt had line of sight. Which they do agree must be found to make this test a success. Its hillarious really that many blindly still defend Satan's lie as with just common sense and simple research proves this test could only have been done on a flat earth.
Exalt wireless test at 146miles.
All one needs to do it look up these simple facts and use the demons globe earth curvature calculator to figure it out.
The test was done from Cyprus to Lebanon.
The highest point in Cyprus is 6404ft. in Lebanon 10131ft. These highest points are closer too or over 300miles apart. But for sake of globe earthers lets call it 146miles and use no tilting away from eachother of the mountains or towers.
So with 146miles on the globe equaling 14213.5 ft till the horizon line from point A to point B. Using 2 towers at 2000ft in length with again no tilt at all. Just going straight up from points A & B with the horizon line drawn coming up from the center. While calling the highest points in each nation 146miles. Thats only 8404ft high in Cyprus and 12131 in Lebanon to the top of the towers.
Even with no tilt away and giving the highest point's of each nation half the distance they truly are. The highest tower is still over 2000ft short of seeing over the horizon line.
Don't need to be a rocket scientist to do this figuring. A kindergarten could figure this out. 😆 yet here we are years later watching glober earthers hate and ridicule the truth. For they won't let go of the lie they love dearly. Thier hopes of going to Mars have come crashing down. All thier love and hope for a star wars/star trek future has been destroyed.
Though many hate God or pretend there is no God. Which the globe lie helps them pretend as they feel they won't be judged in the end. As if Gods a liar and masons lies the truth. If they accept the truth they will then have to stop all the sinning they so enjoyed and or be better people. But its more fun for them to just pretend to be wise and copy n paste what mason lies they know as if educated themselves. Using equations they themselves can't understand or people use others finely worded arguments as thier own. When truly they never tested a thing. They're just out to hate for thier own enjoyment. Again to feel wise but are truly fools. As all masons are as well.


Even without transmitter towers, Qurnat as Sawda (Lebanon) is 3088 metres high.  Mount Olympus (Cyprus) is 1952 metres high.  Personally I think that's line-of-sight on the globe, but I'll let you do the math again. 

When you do, please notice that they are 300 km apart, not miles.  And for the record, I'm not a Devil worshipper. 

Or any kind of worshipper, actually.