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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 07:44:28 PM »Sounds like Kamala lost to me
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Shane on Today at 07:19:11 PM »in a sensible world, this would be disastrous for trump, but it probably won't matter. I think Kamala's biggest problem is separating herself from biden on issues such as Israel, turning off more left leaning democrats, and she's not really done that.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by honk on Today at 05:53:56 PM »The recent debate was a delight to watch. Kamala was strong and focused, while Trump ranted incoherently, got racist, and spouted insane conspiracy theories that the moderators firmly shut down. I won't go as far as some people in the media have by predicting that this has cemented Kamala's victory. That's ridiculous. In fact, this debate might not even matter in the long run. Trump's fans love him for precisely those qualities that the rest of the world sees as glaring negatives, and so this debate isn't likely to cost him much support. Which is entirely messed up when you think about it - the Democratic candidate is at risk of losing support if they do badly in a debate, but they don't really gain support if they do well. Still, not losing support is of course better than losing support, and no bad news is better than bad news, so this is at least a modest political victory for Kamala.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is the UK okay?
« Last post by Crudblud on Today at 05:29:44 PM »These days if you say you're English you get arrested and thrown in jail.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is the UK okay?
« Last post by AATW on Today at 05:09:35 PM »In the books 1985Is that the sequel to 1984? Is it any good?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is the UK okay?
« Last post by Pete Svarrior on Today at 04:33:41 PM »That's because those same organizations also, without irony, believe the concept of "hate speech" exists. In fact, they believe the US government's lack of punishment regarding this so-called "hate speech" makes it less free.I'd love to hear which metric says that
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is the UK okay?
« Last post by AATW on Today at 04:28:49 PM »Ah yes, that's why it constantly appears in your major news outletsIt doesn't.
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You can't say rude things about people online without getting arrested for it in the UKYes you can.
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Woah, the word "dystopian" and "authoritarian"The words I used were hyperbole, so were yours.
But to answer the OP once again - yes, the UK is OK, thanks for asking.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is the UK okay?
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 03:33:40 PM »AATW concedes that UK laws are dystopian, but thinks that he doesn't live in a dystopia because the people in charge choose not to enforce the laws as much as they could.
Actually, this is a dystopia. If you look up the definitions of dystopia it involves a society which lives in fear.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dystopia
dystopia. noun. dys·to·pia. (ˌ)dis-ˈtō-pē-ə
- an imagined world or society in which people lead wretched, dehumanized, fearful lives
- an imaginary place where people are unhappy and usually afraid because they are not treated fairly.
Ignoring the "imaginary" part of this definition that comes from literature, it appears to accurately represent the present day UK, where the government has degraded and taken advantage of its citizens unfairly to the point of them responding with 29 anti-immigration demonstrations and riots in 27 towns and cities in 7 days. Of course, AATW thinks that the protestors are wrong, and not the government for giving away their wealth and jobs and safety. AATW has commented several times in this thread that his UK friends are complaining that they are fearful to say anything these days, and for some reason he thinks this is acceptable. He also goes on unprompted rants about how he doesn't need a gun for safety, as if safety were a growing concern, and he makes desperate and laughable justifications for the government restricting speech such as a comparison to this site with the statement "A banning on this site is analogous to a jailing in real life."
All of this sounds like denialism and an admission that he lives in a dystopia. In the books 1985 and Brave New World, those governments were not necessarily sending people to prison en masse, but did impose a lot of restrictions in speech and behavior and the people lived in constant fear that they would be sent to prison if they displeased the government.
Actually, this is a dystopia. If you look up the definitions of dystopia it involves a society which lives in fear.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dystopia
dystopia. noun. dys·to·pia. (ˌ)dis-ˈtō-pē-ə
- an imagined world or society in which people lead wretched, dehumanized, fearful lives
- an imaginary place where people are unhappy and usually afraid because they are not treated fairly.
Ignoring the "imaginary" part of this definition that comes from literature, it appears to accurately represent the present day UK, where the government has degraded and taken advantage of its citizens unfairly to the point of them responding with 29 anti-immigration demonstrations and riots in 27 towns and cities in 7 days. Of course, AATW thinks that the protestors are wrong, and not the government for giving away their wealth and jobs and safety. AATW has commented several times in this thread that his UK friends are complaining that they are fearful to say anything these days, and for some reason he thinks this is acceptable. He also goes on unprompted rants about how he doesn't need a gun for safety, as if safety were a growing concern, and he makes desperate and laughable justifications for the government restricting speech such as a comparison to this site with the statement "A banning on this site is analogous to a jailing in real life."
All of this sounds like denialism and an admission that he lives in a dystopia. In the books 1985 and Brave New World, those governments were not necessarily sending people to prison en masse, but did impose a lot of restrictions in speech and behavior and the people lived in constant fear that they would be sent to prison if they displeased the government.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is the UK okay?
« Last post by Rushy on Today at 01:00:01 PM »If it was that common it wouldn't be newsworthy, it would just be how things are.
Ah yes, that's why it constantly appears in your major news outlets and not in a tabloid every now and then. It's because it's so rare and fascinating! I'm sure there's a BBC article detailing every single incident to rile people up about it! Oh wait, the BBC doesn't talk about it. How odd!
As I said earlier in the thread, in some ways neither the US or the UK is OK. Both nations have their issues.
This is cope. We aren't talking about how okay things tangentially related to the topic are. Are you going to start bringing up how okay Antarctica is?
But in other ways, including the freedoms we enjoy, both countries are basically OK.
You can't say rude things about people online without getting arrested for it in the UK and your response is "that's okay".
Organisations who attempt to objectively measure these things regard both nations as free, and people in the UK overwhelmingly feel they're free.
So yes, we're OK thanks.
That's because those same organizations also, without irony, believe the concept of "hate speech" exists. In fact, they believe the US government's lack of punishment regarding this so-called "hate speech" makes it less free.
Yes, where did I get that idea?!
Woah, the word "dystopian" and "authoritarian" appears in there a whole horrifying number of zero times. You did find the word "nightmare" though. Good job! Your claims were 33% accurate, which I assume is good enough for the average British citizen and worthy of a "gotcha!" post.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is the UK okay?
« Last post by AATW on Today at 11:43:48 AM »I don't see how "not okay" translated to "dystopian authoritarian nightmare".
Yes, where did I get that idea?!
your government is a chaotic cacophony of nonsense that involves sending people to jail for tweets.
Once again, unsurprisingly, a foreigner cannot comprehend the idea of a right enshrined by the government, because they don't have any rights! Your government doesn't trust you to tweet your own thoughts or to own a weapon. You don't even trust each other to own them, either! A true nightmare of a civilization.