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Re: What happened with the Space Shuttle Columbia.
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2017, 08:50:54 PM »
Snopes is skewing the story, as always. The author said that they didn't appear in the SSDI until later in the year, after the story went viral. Presumably the the government heard the alarm bells and rushed to cover their tracks, as they have covered so much else.

Right...like supposedly killing off a bunch of astronauts would go unnoticed. The wishful thinking on your part is HILARIOUS.

How about the fact that these other people had lives PRIOR to the shuttle exploding? They received educations, had jobs. This is public record stuff. I suppose NASA created those, but couldn't hide the astronauts' identities. Take my advice, if you receive an email from a Nigerian prince, it is fake, too.

Look at that first guy, Richard Scobee. Astronaut Richard Scobee is has a bachelors in aerospace engineering. This guy has an MBA (his only degree listed, which is odd since you need a bachelors to get a masters) and apparently doesn't even list the year of his graduation for his MBA (maybe to hide that he did it later in life): https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-scobee-23875418/

He also has a little animation on his Cows in Trees website, which was there before 2015, which features a cow on a rocket spiraling out of control.

https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/cows-in-trees-challenger-explosion.jpg

Holy crap, if only this guy had a Facebook page with his BS... Wait, HE DOES!
https://www.facebook.com/richard.scobee

There are still no dates on his listed degrees.

And, what, according to his work experience section this guy has only had two jobs in his entire life?

Can you imagine what the nut cases have done to this poor guy?   Otherwise, it would be funny.

That was on his website BEFORE this doppelganger astronaut report was published (where I got the image from).
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Re: What happened with the Space Shuttle Columbia.
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2017, 09:01:46 PM »
Snopes is skewing the story, as always. The author said that they didn't appear in the SSDI until later in the year, after the story went viral. Presumably the the government heard the alarm bells and rushed to cover their tracks, as they have covered so much else.

Right...like supposedly killing off a bunch of astronauts would go unnoticed. The wishful thinking on your part is HILARIOUS.

How about the fact that these other people had lives PRIOR to the shuttle exploding? They received educations, had jobs. This is public record stuff. I suppose NASA created those, but couldn't hide the astronauts' identities. Take my advice, if you receive an email from a Nigerian prince, it is fake, too.

Look at that first guy, Richard Scobee. Astronaut Richard Scobee is has a bachelors in aerospace engineering. This guy has an MBA (his only degree listed, which is odd since you need a bachelors to get a masters) and apparently doesn't even list the year of his graduation for his MBA (maybe to hide that he did it later in life): https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-scobee-23875418/

He also has a little animation on his Cows in Trees website, which was there before 2015, which features a cow on a rocket spiraling out of control.

https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/cows-in-trees-challenger-explosion.jpg

Holy crap, if only this guy had a Facebook page with his BS... Wait, HE DOES!
https://www.facebook.com/richard.scobee

There are still no dates on his listed degrees.

And, what, according to his work experience section this guy has only had two jobs in his entire life?
No dates? Oh no, how terrible. Clearly that means the degrees are fake.

That covers about 36 years, and it's quite possible what he did prior has no bearing on his current skills. It's not like other CEO's and people on the site ALSO don't list their full past experience....oh wait.

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Re: What happened with the Space Shuttle Columbia.
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2017, 09:15:12 PM »
What about all the others??

Lets look at this guy, Michael J. Smith:



On the left is the Michael J. Smith, pilot of the Challenger, who was 40 years old when he died in the explosion. On the right is Michel J. Smith, a retired professor at the University of Wisconson--Madison. His email address is mjsmith@cae.wisc.edu

If astronaut Michael J Smith were still alive today he would be 72 years old. What do you know, there is a 72 year old Michael J. Smith whose listed addresses are Madison, Wisconsin and Middleton, Wisconsin (which is 16 minutes away).

Not only do they look the same, have the same name, and have the SAME MIDDLE INITIAL, there is a man of that name and age of the dead astronaut who lives in Madison, Wisconson.
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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2017, 09:59:44 PM »
What about all the others??

Lets look at this guy, Michael J. Smith:



On the left is the Michael J. Smith, pilot of the Challenger, who was 40 years old when he died in the explosion. On the right is Michel J. Smith, a retired professor at the University of Wisconson--Madison. His email address is mjsmith@cae.wisc.edu

If astronaut Michael J Smith were still alive today he would be 72 years old. What do you know, there is a 72 year old Michael J. Smith whose listed addresses are Madison, Wisconsin and Middleton, Wisconsin (which is 16 minutes away).

Not only do they look the same, have the same name, and have the SAME MIDDLE INITIAL, there is a man of that name and age of the dead astronaut who lives in Madison, Wisconson.
They bear a passing resemblance true, although the Professor's ears appear to be a fair bit less prominent. Let's see.

Prof has '68 BA in pyschology, while Astro was in Naval academy halfway across the country during that time period.
Prof continued through 2 more degrees in '70 and then in '73 in WI, while Astro served as instructor and then in the Vietnam war during this time period.
Prof was awarded a public award for the three years on and around the year Astro was selected for being and astronaut.

Smith is an extremely common last name, same goes for Michael for a first name. I've got 100 of them in my area alone (one zip code in city about size of Madison), with about a dozen all having that middle initial. You're grasping at straws again.

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Re: What happened with the Space Shuttle Columbia.
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2017, 10:02:28 PM »
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They bear a passing resemblance true, although the Professor's ears appear to be a fair bit less prominent. Let's see.

Ears can become less prominent with age. Look at young Donald Trump's ears and compare it to current Donald Trump

Prof has '68 BA in pyschology, while Astro was in Naval academy halfway across the country during that time period.
Prof continued through 2 more degrees in '70 and then in '73 in WI, while Astro served as instructor and then in the Vietnam war during this time period.
Prof was awarded a public award for the three years on and around the year Astro was selected for being and astronaut.

You do realize that you write your own biography and resume, right? Some of these dead astro-nots are more honest than others.

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Smith is an extremely common last name, same goes for Michael for a first name. I've got 100 of them in my area alone (one zip code in city about size of Madison), with about a dozen all having that middle initial. You're grasping at straws again.

Of that dozen, how many are the same age as this dead astronaut? These aren't straws.
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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2017, 10:05:16 PM »
You said it yourself, it would be difficult for NASA to enlist the aid of other public institutions in your proposed deception. You should corroborate the educational records of this doppelgänger. It is after all a matter of public record.

Wait if it is so difficult to get other public institutions to help, isn’t it unlikely that NASA could fake death records?
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2017, 10:13:26 PM »
They bear a passing resemblance true, although the Professor's ears appear to be a fair bit less prominent. Let's see.

Prof has '68 BA in pyschology, while Astro was in Naval academy halfway across the country during that time period.
Prof continued through 2 more degrees in '70 and then in '73 in WI, while Astro served as instructor and then in the Vietnam war during this time period.
Prof was awarded a public award for the three years on and around the year Astro was selected for being and astronaut.

Smith is an extremely common last name, same goes for Michael for a first name. I've got 100 of them in my area alone (one zip code in city about size of Madison), with about a dozen all having that middle initial. You're grasping at straws again.

You do realize that you write your own biography and resume, right? Some of these dead astro-nots are more honest than others.
Then show some evidence there wasn't someone in both of those things at the same time. It's your claim that they're the same person. Prove it with more than just a single photo showing they happen to have some similar features.

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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2017, 11:36:03 PM »
Back to Judith Resnik. A few more factoids:

According to the one of the biggest people finding sites in the US, spokeo.com there are only 5 people with the name Judith Resnik in the entire United States. Yale Law Professor Judith Resnik is the one who lives in New Haven, CT, where Yale is.

Of those five people with the name Judith Resnik, one of them happens to look exactly like the dead astronaut Judith Resnik?

On jwa.org we learn that NASA-Judith Resnik's mother, Sarah Resnik Belfer, was a "former legal secretary".

On yourdictionary.com we learn that NASA-Judith Resnik's husband Michael Oldak (whom she met at Carnegie Mellon University and reportedly divorced in 1977) went to Law school at Georgetown University, Washington D.C and became a lawyer.

"Michael D. Oldak - lawyer / Washington D.C (Carnegie Mellon University / Georgetown University)"

We learn that the NASA-Judith (who would be 68 years old today) once lived in New York: "Judith Resnik was born in Akron, Ohio, in 1949 and lived in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Washington, D.C., and New York.

On Spokeo we learn that the YALE-Law-School-Judith (age 67 according to Spokeo) formerly lived in New York.

Look at her go-to hand gestures when she is explaining something:

NASA-Judith


YALE-Judith


Is this likeness - and all the rest - purely coincidental?
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2017, 11:51:55 PM »
According to Wikipedia NASA-Judith Resnik's middle initial is A

Now, what happens if we do a search in Google for "Judith A Resnik" Yale law professor ---

http://faculty.law.lsu.edu/ccorcos/lawhum/missionstatement.htm

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2017, 11:59:18 PM »
They don’t look exactly alike and what do the other Judith Resnik’s look like anyway? You say that your preferred candidate looks the most alike but provide no comparative evidence.

That is hardly an uncommon hand gesture. How do you justify it being her “go to hand gesture”?  How much footage, exactly have you studied of either person to make that statement.

Do you really think that both people having a relative who is in the legal profession is remotely rare? If so, how rare is it?

Do you really think it is surprising that two people lived in New York? One of the largest metropolises in the world?

They arent the same age, so unless you provide evidence that this is false you have not given compelling reason to think otherwise. Your own position is that facts like these are hard to fake.

To sum up you think it odd that two people of perhaps similar ethnic descent with the same name have similar but not identical features, had relatives in law, lives in New York and gesture with their hands? These are hardly uncanny similarities. Again I must ask you, why is it too much trouble to change one’s name but not to falsify birth, death and education records and also keep their family quiet?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3420606/30-years-Challenger-New-voice-astronauts-memorial.html

They were all recently in public commemorating their dead family. You should have accosted them with your profound truthiness and brought a shining light to the world.
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« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2017, 01:02:09 AM »
According to Wikipedia NASA-Judith Resnik's middle initial is A

Now, what happens if we do a search in Google for "Judith A Resnik" Yale law professor ---

http://faculty.law.lsu.edu/ccorcos/lawhum/missionstatement.htm

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Heilbrun, Carolyn G. and Judith A. Resnik, Convergences: Law, Literature, and Feminism, 99 Yale Law Journal 1913 (1990).

Tom, you've already been proven wrong. Reznik - look at the jaw line - completely different. Either she had surgery to replace her jaw or it isn't the same person.

As far as names go, I can go down to the court house and change mine anytime I want. But no, these supposedly dead astronauts have kept their names and are all over the internet. Your whole hypothesis is dumber than the flat Earth thing.


No one is going to accept your coincidental evidence as truth. That's a hole you dug yourself. You believe conspiracy theories over reality. It is your right to be wrong.
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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2017, 01:08:00 AM »
They don’t look exactly alike and what do the other Judith Resnik’s look like anyway? You say that your preferred candidate looks the most alike but provide no comparative evidence.

I was mistaken about how many Judith Resniks there are.

https://www.spokeo.com/Judith-Resnik

Judith P Resnik 1 in New Haven CT is the Yale-Judith Resnik (was she not consistent about her middle initial at some point?)

Judith A Resnik 2 in Seabrook, TX are actually records of the old NASA-Judith Resnik, who lived in Seabrook, TX at one point according to google searches

Judith Resnik 3 is aged 59 and is listed as Judith C Pemberton after marriage. Resnik is her Maiden name.

Judith Resnik 4 and 5 are actually named Judy Resnik according to Spokeo

It is more like the only person going by the name of Judith Resnik (according to Spokeo, arguably the largest US people mining company) in the United States happens to look just like the dead astronaut Judith Resnik

The fact that she has listed her middle initial in some records in Spokeo's databases as P and is referenced with the middle initial of A elsewhere in her legal career, the same as the NASA-Judith, should raise some flags. When was the last time you forgot your middle name?
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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2017, 02:05:14 AM »
Just because you don’t know the history of her initials doesn’t mean she is a dead astronaut. As has been pointed out, she doesn’t look just like the astronaut either. Find actual evidence rather than tenuous parallels.
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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2017, 02:37:12 AM »
To your earlier question:

You said it yourself, it would be difficult for NASA to enlist the aid of other public institutions in your proposed deception. You should corroborate the educational records of this doppelgänger. It is after all a matter of public record.

Wait if it is so difficult to get other public institutions to help, isn’t it unlikely that NASA could fake death records?

When the doppleganger report came out people were starting to ask questions as to why none of the astronauts were in the SSDI death records. In response NASA would have likely called up the SSDI office and told them that they made a mistake and that they need to get these astronauts in there because its making the agency look bad. That is not necessarily asking another federal agency to engage in conspiracy with you, like attaining alternative identities would require.

Some time later the names were added to the SSDI records and the author of the doppelganger report made an edit to his website stating that.

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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2017, 02:42:27 AM »
To your earlier question:

You said it yourself, it would be difficult for NASA to enlist the aid of other public institutions in your proposed deception. You should corroborate the educational records of this doppelgänger. It is after all a matter of public record.

Wait if it is so difficult to get other public institutions to help, isn’t it unlikely that NASA could fake death records?

When the doppleganger report came out people were starting to ask questions as to why none of the astronauts were in the SSDI death records. In response NASA would have likely called up the SSDI office and told them that they made a mistake and that they need to get these astronauts in there because its making the agency look bad. That is not necessarily asking another federal agency to engage in conspiracy with you, like attaining alternative identities would require.

Some time later the names were added to the SSDI records and the author of the doppelganger report made an edit to his website stating that.

Because that is way easier than having them change their names. LMAO, this is just so ridiculous. Reznik is not the same person since the two women have different bone structure, but you ignore that.
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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2017, 02:53:23 AM »
Because that is way easier than having them change their names. LMAO, this is just so ridiculous. Reznik is not the same person since the two women have different bone structure, but you ignore that.

It's not a simple automatic process to change your name. A court is going to review you and all the details to make sure you are not trying to evade US or international law or anything like that.

Look at the California process:

http://www.courts.ca.gov/22489.htm

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The court process of getting a court order after filing a Petition for Change of Name can take up to 3 months. First, you file your petition. Then, you will get a court date between 6 and 12 weeks away. If you follow all the required steps and the court approves your request, you will get a court order called a "decree" changing your name. Some courts are busier than others and it may take longer. Make sure you read the instructions carefully. Some apply a little differently if you are changing your name to conform to your gender identity, or in other special situations. It is all explained in each of the steps below, so make sure you read everything.

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A: The main reasons why a judge would not agree to change your name are:

If the judge finds that you are changing your name to commit fraud, or
If the judge finds that you are changing your name to hide from the law or the police or for some other illegal reason.


If you are on probation or parole, the judge may not agree to change your name, unless your probation or parole officer is aware of your change of name and gives written consent. If you are incarcerated in a California state prison, the Secretary of the California Department of Corrections  and Rehabilitation has to give permission to the court to let you change your name. If you are incarcerated in federal prison, get permission from the Director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

See the bolded above. Would NASA really want these astronauts to be reviewed by a judicial system?

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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2017, 02:53:57 AM »
Because that is way easier than having them change their names. LMAO, this is just so ridiculous. Reznik is not the same person since the two women have different bone structure, but you ignore that.

It's not a simple automatic process to change your name. A court is going to review you and all the details to make sure you are not trying to evade US or international law or anything like that.

http://www.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp-namechange.htm

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With a court order you can change your legal name on government-issued identification documents such as your driver's license, passport, and social security card.

http://www.courts.ca.gov/22489.htm

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The court process of getting a court order after filing a Petition for Change of Name can take up to 3 months. First, you file your petition. Then, you will get a court date between 6 and 12 weeks away. If you follow all the required steps and the court approves your request, you will get a court order called a "decree" changing your name. Some courts are busier than others and it may take longer. Make sure you read the instructions carefully. Some apply a little differently if you are changing your name to conform to your gender identity, or in other special situations. It is all explained in each of the steps below, so make sure you read everything.

Would NASA really want these astronauts to be reviewed by a judicial system?

You should post the law in the states where these people live. Would they want to involve the SSA?? Again, you are making assumptions that you would NEVER accept from anyone else. The lady's face has a different bone structure. Case closed.
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« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2017, 03:02:03 AM »
BTW, living Judy Reznik was involved in a case in the Supreme Court and has testified in front of Congress! That is a great way to stay anonymous. Go home, Tom. You're drunk.
https://law.yale.edu/judith-resnik
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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2017, 12:42:34 PM »
To your earlier question:

You said it yourself, it would be difficult for NASA to enlist the aid of other public institutions in your proposed deception. You should corroborate the educational records of this doppelgänger. It is after all a matter of public record.

Wait if it is so difficult to get other public institutions to help, isn’t it unlikely that NASA could fake death records?

When the doppleganger report came out people were starting to ask questions as to why none of the astronauts were in the SSDI death records. In response NASA would have likely called up the SSDI office and told them that they made a mistake and that they need to get these astronauts in there because its making the agency look bad. That is not necessarily asking another federal agency to engage in conspiracy with you, like attaining alternative identities would require.

Some time later the names were added to the SSDI records and the author of the doppelganger report made an edit to his website stating that.

Why do you think the SSA would add a name to their official record based on a simple phone call?  It’s not a simple automatic process to report a death.

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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2017, 02:08:16 PM »
They don’t look exactly alike and what do the other Judith Resnik’s look like anyway? You say that your preferred candidate looks the most alike but provide no comparative evidence.

I was mistaken about how many Judith Resniks there are.

https://www.spokeo.com/Judith-Resnik

Judith P Resnik 1 in New Haven CT is the Yale-Judith Resnik (was she not consistent about her middle initial at some point?)

Judith A Resnik 2 in Seabrook, TX are actually records of the old NASA-Judith Resnik, who lived in Seabrook, TX at one point according to google searches

Judith Resnik 3 is aged 59 and is listed as Judith C Pemberton after marriage. Resnik is her Maiden name.

Judith Resnik 4 and 5 are actually named Judy Resnik according to Spokeo

It is more like the only person going by the name of Judith Resnik (according to Spokeo, arguably the largest US people mining company) in the United States happens to look just like the dead astronaut Judith Resnik

The fact that she has listed her middle initial in some records in Spokeo's databases as P and is referenced with the middle initial of A elsewhere in her legal career, the same as the NASA-Judith, should raise some flags. When was the last time you forgot your middle name?
White pages search gives me 5 Judith Resnik's, and about a dozen Judith Resnick's alive today. So you're claim is already false, sorry Spokeo.

To your earlier question:

You said it yourself, it would be difficult for NASA to enlist the aid of other public institutions in your proposed deception. You should corroborate the educational records of this doppelgänger. It is after all a matter of public record.

Wait if it is so difficult to get other public institutions to help, isn’t it unlikely that NASA could fake death records?

When the doppleganger report came out people were starting to ask questions as to why none of the astronauts were in the SSDI death records. In response NASA would have likely called up the SSDI office and told them that they made a mistake and that they need to get these astronauts in there because its making the agency look bad. That is not necessarily asking another federal agency to engage in conspiracy with you, like attaining alternative identities would require.

Some time later the names were added to the SSDI records and the author of the doppelganger report made an edit to his website stating that.
Proof? Evidence? We have only the claim of a single report, whose claims are already called into question because of inaccuracies in that very report, to go off of on this. Once again, have you any evidence beyond this one man's word that they didn't exist at the time of it's original publication? If so, why are you taking him at his word, when you wouldn't take nearly anyone else on this site at their's?

Also, I just want to point out the wiki also has you subscribing to the theory that Thomas Baron was killed for being ready to speak out. If they're willing to kill a man to keep things secret, why the hell would they leave these 6 alive after claiming they were killed? Seems a far simpler answer that they would have simply killed them all themselves, does it not?