One more Gun... Just give me one more gun...

A friend of mine was shot and killed on Monday. The shooter was 17. Existing gun regulations don't affect him. Stricter gun regulations wouldn't affect him. Most of the gun violence in this country is perpetrated by people who are so far removed from "normal society" that institutional laws and regulations don't really have any practical effect. The U.S. is crawling with impoverished neighborhoods where law enforcement has very little power, and each one is already saturated with firearms. Even if, beginning today, another gun were never sold, we would still suffer from gun violence for dozens, perhaps hundreds of years.

Shane · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2014, 03:10:06 AM »

Quote from: Particle Person on October 25, 2014, 02:56:33 AM

A friend of mine was shot and killed on Monday. The shooter was 17. Existing gun regulations don't affect him. Stricter gun regulations wouldn't affect him. Most of the gun violence in this country is perpetrated by people who are so far removed from "normal society" that institutional laws and regulations don't really have any practical effect. The U.S. is crawling with impoverished neighborhoods where law enforcement has very little power, and each one is already saturated with firearms. Even if, beginning today, another gun were never sold, we would still suffer from gun violence for dozens, perhaps hundreds of years.

I agree, we shouldn't try to do anything.

Particle Person · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2014, 03:20:02 AM »

Quote from: Sean on October 25, 2014, 03:10:06 AM

Quote from: Particle Person on October 25, 2014, 02:56:33 AM
A friend of mine was shot and killed on Monday. The shooter was 17. Existing gun regulations don't affect him. Stricter gun regulations wouldn't affect him. Most of the gun violence in this country is perpetrated by people who are so far removed from "normal society" that institutional laws and regulations don't really have any practical effect. The U.S. is crawling with impoverished neighborhoods where law enforcement has very little power, and each one is already saturated with firearms. Even if, beginning today, another gun were never sold, we would still suffer from gun violence for dozens, perhaps hundreds of years.

I agree, we shouldn't try to do anything.

I'm not opposed to stricter gun control, but it isn't going to solve or really even ameliorate any problems. The black market for firearms is simply too healthy already. What we should be doing is sentencing people convicted of gun crimes more severely.

Gun crimes are very rarely committed by licensed owners with registered firearms. They're committed using weapons that are out of legal circulation and cannot be regulated.

Lord Dave · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2014, 03:38:25 AM »

Quote from: Particle Person on October 25, 2014, 03:20:02 AM

Quote from: Sean on October 25, 2014, 03:10:06 AM
Quote from: Particle Person on October 25, 2014, 02:56:33 AM
A friend of mine was shot and killed on Monday. The shooter was 17. Existing gun regulations don't affect him. Stricter gun regulations wouldn't affect him. Most of the gun violence in this country is perpetrated by people who are so far removed from "normal society" that institutional laws and regulations don't really have any practical effect. The U.S. is crawling with impoverished neighborhoods where law enforcement has very little power, and each one is already saturated with firearms. Even if, beginning today, another gun were never sold, we would still suffer from gun violence for dozens, perhaps hundreds of years.

I agree, we shouldn't try to do anything.

I'm not opposed to stricter gun control, but it isn't going to solve or really even ameliorate any problems. The black market for firearms is simply too healthy already. What we should be doing is sentencing people convicted of gun crimes more severely.

Gun crimes are very rarely committed by licensed owners with registered firearms. They're committed using weapons that out of legal circulation and cannot be regulated.

The Black Market usually get's it's guns from legal gun owners/sellers.
Example:
I sell my grandmother's pistol. Or a gunshop sells a few shotguns a week.

Particle Person · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2014, 03:42:36 AM »

Quote from: Lord Dave on October 25, 2014, 03:38:25 AM

The Black Market usually get's it's guns from legal gun owners/sellers.
Example:
I sell my grandmother's pistol. Or a gunshop sells a few shotguns a week.

Ya der. There are already so many in unregulated circulation that stopping the flow now would be like shutting off a spout that's drizzling water into the Pacific Ocean and just hoping the rest will dry up. It's something, I suppose, but it shouldn't be the first priority when fighting gun violence. I think gun violence should be shot in the face.

Rushy · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2014, 03:57:58 PM »

I think the key is closer monitoring of mental health. Mental health checkups should be just as much as a thing as physical checkups are. People can start breaking down mentally and no one seems to know until they go out and shoot a bunch of people.

beardo · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2014, 08:08:14 AM »

Why do school shooters always shoot themselves in the end?

Particle Person · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:05:48 AM »

Quote from: beardo on October 30, 2014, 08:08:14 AM

Why do school shooters always shoot themselves in the end?

Probably because they know that they'll either be killed by the state or spend the rest of their lives in prison otherwise.

beardo · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:08:10 AM »

Do they figure that out only after they've killed a bunch of people?

Particle Person · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:10:50 AM »

Quote from: beardo on October 30, 2014, 09:08:10 AM

Do they figure that out only after they've killed a bunch of people?

Probably not. Bear in mind that people who do things like this are completely insane.

Lord Dave · « **Reply #17 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:38:23 AM »

Quote from: beardo on October 30, 2014, 08:08:14 AM

Why do school shooters always shoot themselves in the end?

Two possibilities:
1. The CIA mind control program uses suicide as a final command to ensure the secrecy of the program.
2. These acts are brought about by a feeling of loss of control. By killing you show you're in control, that you have the power. You kill yourself to keep that power. (No one but me is gonna kill me)

Fortuna · « **Reply #18 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:45:52 AM »

Or they're just depressed as shit and/or out of their mind.

Hoppy · « **Reply #19 on:** October 30, 2014, 11:31:00 AM »

Quote from: Lord Dave on October 30, 2014, 09:38:23 AM

Quote from: beardo on October 30, 2014, 08:08:14 AM
Why do school shooters always shoot themselves in the end?
Two possibilities:
1. The CIA mind control program uses suicide as a final command to ensure the secrecy of the program.
2. These acts are brought about by a feeling of loss of control. By killing you show you're in control, that you have the power. You kill yourself to keep that power. (No one but me is gonna kill me)

3. The shootings are fake and never actually happened. Such as is the case at Sandy Hook.

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