[Rushy]

Time is entirely a human construct and does not exist outside of the mind. Prove me wrong.

[Ghost of V]

Time dilation has been observed via atomic clocks in space compared to atomic clocks on Earth. The passage of time was different for both clocks, causing small disparities between the two times.  The theory of relativity also supports time dilation, and since we have successfully tested it we know it is a thing. If time was an entirely human construct this would not be the case. Time exists as the 4th dimension and waits for no man, but is obviously affected by mass and approaching the speed of light.

[Rushy]

Time dilation has been observed via atomic clocks in space compared to atomic clocks on Earth. The passage of time was different for both clocks, causing small disparities between the two times.  The theory of relativity also supports time dilation, and since we have successfully tested it we know it is a thing. If time was an entirely human construct this would not be the case. Time exists as the 4th dimension and waits for no man.

Except that has nothing to do with time. That is a rate of energetic change between matter. Time consists of the past, the present, and the future. Two of those things don't actually exist, meaning time does not exist.

[Ghost of V]

Except that has nothing to do with time.

Uhhh, yes it does. It shows that mass obviously alters our perception of time, which means time is moving faster/slower depending on where you are. Of course it wouldn't feel that way for the observer. This would be a non-issue if time was an entirely human construct. Regardless, it has everything to do with time.

The concepts of past & future are bogus and unsupportable. Like you said, the only time is the present (and of course party time).

[Blanko]

I can already tell that this thread is going to be all about disagreement over the definition of "time"

[Lord Dave]

Rushy's point is right in that one can not measure time without being there.

What I'd argue is that time does not require an observer to alter things.  We know this because we can observe an object at one period of time, have no observation for a while, then observe again and see change.  This indicates that an object does not require an observer to undergo change.  And since change requires time, time must exist.

What does not have to exist is the past or future. 

[xasop]

Nothing can be proven to exist outside of the human mind, due to the fact that all observations must pass into the mind before we are aware of their existence. Case closed.

[beardo]

Time What is Time

[Ghost of V]

If time doesn't exist how come external forces can change the flow of time?

I can already tell that this thread is going to be all about disagreement over the definition of "time"

You're describing every thread on this forum.

[Tau]

Time has a known interaction with space, which predicts the speed of light. No definition of time can adequately separate it from this fact- therefore, time exists.

[Rushy]

If time doesn't exist how come external forces can change the flow of time?

Changing the flow of time implies time is a physical construct. Please quantify the flow of time in a way that doesn't involve the past or future (which are abstract inventions of the mind). (e.g. seconds define time using the past as a starting point, which doesn't exist.)

Time has a known interaction with space, which predicts the speed of light. No definition of time can adequately separate it from this fact- therefore, time exists.

Except it doesn't. You are perceiving a past that never existed, because the past exists only in your mind. Basic thermodynamics proves you can't reverse a process, so how do you know the process was something that existed as something else? You don't.

Uhhh, yes it does. It shows that mass obviously alters our perception of time, which means time is moving faster/slower depending on where you are. Of course it wouldn't feel that way for the observer. This would be a non-issue if time was an entirely human construct. Regardless, it has everything to do with time.

The concepts of past & future are bogus and unsupportable. Like you said, the only time is the present (and of course party time).

Mass alters energy, not time. Time has no carrier wave or particle (that has been proven) therefore it doesn't exist. I'm not surprised that any of you can comprehend this since you all have abysmal science backgrounds.

The standard model doesn't have time in it. This is because time is an abstract idea, it doesn't exist.

[Pete Svarrior]

plz define time as something that isn't time

No.

[Particle Person]

I'm not surprised that any of you can comprehend this since you all have abysmal science backgrounds.

Well said.

[Ghost of V]

Mass alters energy, not time.

Yes, but it also alters time. Explain time dilation without time, please.

Unless you're now claiming that time is energy?

[Rushy]

No.

The definition of time is that it is an abstract concept. These dolts think it isn't, so yeah, they have to find a way to define time that isn't time. I was pointing out how nonsensical their argument is.

Yes, but it also alters time. Explain time time dilation without time, please. Unless you're now claiming that time is energy?

What?

[Ghost of V]

Fix'd. now please answer the question.

[Particle Person]

No.

The definition of time is that it is an abstract concept.

That isn't a definition. Also, "abstract concept" is not interchangeable with "something that doesn't exist".

[Rushy]

Yes, but it also alters time. Explain time dilation without time, please.

Unless you're now claiming that time is energy?

It only alters time as humans perceive it. There is no concrete time that is being modified by another particle. There isn't a time field being warped by an interaction. Time is an idea. An observation.

That isn't a definition. Also, "abstract concept" is not interchangeable with "something that doesn't exist".

Yes, it is. In fact, the literal definition of abstract means something that doesn't actually exist outside the mind.

[Ghost of V]

It only alters time as humans perceive it. There is no concrete time that is being modified by another particle. There isn't a time field being warped by an interaction. Time is an idea. An observation.

An idea/concept/observation that is altered by gravity and mass. Makes a lot of sense.

If time doesn't exist how come everything isn't happening at once?

Black holes, for example, suck. They suck so hard that theoretically, if someone were to observe something crossing the event horizon of a black hole it would appear as if time had stopped for that object, yet the object itself is probably long gone. Gravity obviously alters spacetime, which can slow the passage of time for an object as seen by an observer outside the field.

[Particle Person]

Yes, it is. In fact, the literal definition of abstract means something that doesn't actually exist outside the mind.

I think you'll be surprised if you actually look the word up.