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Re: Democracy Is Overrated
« Reply #80 on: December 10, 2021, 07:39:03 PM »
Proponents of tests to prove an applicant’s ability to read and understand English claimed that the exams ensured an educated and informed electorate. In practice they were used to disqualify immigrants and the poor, who had less education. In the South they were used to prevent African Americans from registering to vote.

Different era. Everyone has access to education now.
And I wouldn't necessarily tie this to literacy, although that is another problem with my otherwise brilliant plan. If you can't read then can you pass the test? It seems reasonable that someone has never been able to read but still knows who the politicians are and what they stand for and therefore should get a vote. There are accessibility issues here.
As for whether people should learn themselves the language #simpsons. We are quite nice in the UK - London is very cosmopolitan and you can get translations of many documents, recognising that not everyone who lives here speak well England.
The French have a very different attitude, which is basically "learn French or piss off". I think they kinda have a point. If you go and live in a country I'd suggest the onus is on you to learn their language in order to fully participate in their society.

I'm not sure about it being a "different era". We've slid the deck chairs around, but still have a lot of discriminatory issues especially considering all of the recent GOP backed voting laws like SB1 in Texas that just got signed into law.

I kinda don't think there is a problem to be solved. Sure, I'd love a more informed electorate and a 95% voter turn-out. But I don't think testing people on their knowledge of a candidate or a proposition solves anything. People will still vote because they like some aspects of their platform, but at the end of the day it's a popularity contest and advertising and such plays into a voter's core beliefs starting with Democrats or Republicans are the devil and working down from there. Rather than imposing a "test" on the electorate, I'd rather see Citizens United get reversed and stymy as much as possible ridiculous ad campaigns and such.

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Re: Democracy Is Overrated
« Reply #81 on: December 10, 2021, 08:51:07 PM »
I know in Australia it’s mandatory.
I’m not sure what I think of that. I do think encouraging more people to vote is a good thing but part of the right to vote is a right not to.
Anecdotally, the outcome in Australia seems to be that many people who don't care very much vote anyway, which — despite the better-than-average electoral system — produces one of the world's worst two-party strongholds. Many Australian voters falsely believe that voting for a third candidate is a wasted vote, despite Australia having AV. I'm firmly against the policy.
when you try to mock anyone while also running the flat earth society. Lol