Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1520 on: March 08, 2022, 04:17:06 PM »
It's not a paper which contradicts VAERS.
Correct. Because VAERS is merely a reporting system. And a self-reporting system. Anyone can report an adverse event.
VAERS just collects data for further investigation. It's not something which can be agreed with or contradicted.

So someone had the Covid vaccine, the next day they died in, let's say a motorcycle accident - there's been a lot of those over the last couple of years, haven't there?
A relative could report that to VAERS. Their report wouldn't be "false", the relative did have the vaccine and the next day they did die. But when looking into that you'd find there is no causal link between those two events. The paper is not "trying" to do anything - unlike you, who are trying to emphasise the risks of the vaccine which your commander in chief developed and actively promotes.
The paper is merely looking at the VAERS data to see if there are any patterns which are of concern and should be investigated further.
And their conclusions are:

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In our review and analysis of death reports to VAERS following mRNA vaccination, we found no unusual patterns in cause of death among the death reports received

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Another surveillance system, the VSD, showed no increased risk of non-COVID-19 mortality in vaccinated people.

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Serious adverse events, including myocarditis, have been identified following mRNA vaccinations; however, these events are rare. Vaccines are the most effective tool to prevent serious COVID-19 disease outcomes49 and the benefits of immunisation in preventing serious morbidity and mortality strongly favour vaccination

Hooray! Trump was right, the vaccine is safe. That's good, isn't it? You like it when he's right don't you?
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1521 on: March 08, 2022, 04:23:44 PM »
Wait a minute.

You are stating that a coroner, who would record a person who died due to a motorcycle accident but had Covid, as a death due to Covid, wouldn't be expected to record a person dying due to a motorcycle accident, but having the vaccine, as a death due to the vaccine?
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1522 on: March 08, 2022, 04:55:40 PM »
VAERS is like Yelp. 
If I need to say more, you fail.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1523 on: March 08, 2022, 05:00:27 PM »
VAERS is like Yelp. 
If I need to say more, you fail.
Oh, no wonder AATW was so fucking against it.

Jesus, who the fuck trusts Yelp, ffs?
It's so hard to have faith in humanity when they do shit like this.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1524 on: May 23, 2022, 04:58:22 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1525 on: May 23, 2022, 05:46:03 PM »
Totally normal



Keep what hidden?  People having a heart attack after running a marathon?  Why would that need to be kept secret?
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1526 on: May 23, 2022, 08:59:23 PM »
Totally normal



Rare, but not unheard of for races that can attract tens of thousands of runners.
Three runners collapsed and died during the Detroit Marathon on Sunday. Although that news is shocking and frightening for runners and non-runners alike, such deaths are rare, experts say.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1527 on: May 23, 2022, 10:06:41 PM »
Yeah, the expert compared it to people who die from lightening strikes while golfing:

    "More people die from lightning strikes while golfing," says Dr. William Roberts, a professor of family medicine and community health at the University of Minnesota, and the medical director of the Twin Cities Marathon.

Meanwhile there has been a noted increase in sports related heart attacks, as well as increased heart attacks among young adults, to which Channel 7 Boston blames on "cannibis use" at the 1:45 mark here -

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« Reply #1528 on: May 23, 2022, 10:38:24 PM »
Totally normal

Look at the fog / mist / pollution they were running through. No wonder something went wrong.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1529 on: May 23, 2022, 11:23:47 PM »
Tom displaying a profound lack of critical faculty by assuming this is COVID vaccine connected. Also…

lightening strikes

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1530 on: May 24, 2022, 12:49:01 AM »
Tom displaying a profound lack of critical faculty by assuming this is COVID vaccine connected.

Actually it plays perfectly into the litany of sports related heart incidents which started after introduction of the Covid vaccine.

2021 held the record for most FIFA players to die on the field. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing

See: 5-fold increase in sudden cardiac deaths of FIFA players in 2021

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1531 on: May 24, 2022, 01:55:15 AM »
Correlation equals causation in Tom’s world.


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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1532 on: May 24, 2022, 02:12:33 AM »
Tom displaying a profound lack of critical faculty by assuming this is COVID vaccine connected.

Actually it plays perfectly into the litany of sports related heart incidents which started after introduction of the Covid vaccine.

2021 held the record for most FIFA players to die on the field. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing
How many of those players were fully, partially or not vaccinated?  How many had covid at some point before or after vaccination?  How many were using recreational or performance enhancing drugs?
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1533 on: May 24, 2022, 02:46:51 AM »
Correlation equals causation in Tom’s world.

Correlation is not necessarily causation. But there is no causation without correlation.

https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

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The International Olympic Committee in Lausanne, Switzerland, studied documents from international data banks from 1966 to 2004. Those documents indicate 1,101 sudden deaths in athletes under 35 years of age, an average of 29 athletes per year, the sports with the highest incidence being soccer and basketball. (NIH Document)

A study by Maron on sudden death in US athletes, from 1980 to 2006 in thirty-eight sports identified 1,866 deaths of athletes with cardiac disease, with a prevalence of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

2005 to 2006 averaged sixty-six (66) deaths per year, with 82% of those occurring during competition or training.

Thanks to investigator readers for discovering these reports, and this story in Spanish. Momento Deportivo.

In 2021 and 2022 so far, cardiac disease has not been mentioned. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy was mentioned twice, but those two reports were listed in the “not vax related” list. “Enlarged heart” was only mentioned three times, but there was no indication this was a long-term or recent issue (possibly due to vaccine injury).

The above shows that in prior years, there were 66 deaths per year, but there have been 86 reported in January 2022, so far.


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1534 on: May 24, 2022, 04:08:41 AM »
Your chart is from "Good Sciencing". Interesting back-story:

How the falsehood of athletes dying of coronavirus vaccines spread

She (Sen. Ron Johnson's (R-Wis.) spokeswoman, Alexa Henning) provided a link to a website called Good Sciencing, maintained by anonymous people, that has a blog post with the headline, as of Jan. 31: “577 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 352 Dead, After COVID Shot.”

Here’s the rub: This claim has been debunked repeatedly. The story of athletes dropping dead from coronavirus vaccines has its roots in mysterious Austrian websites with ties to that country’s far-right populist party, the Freedom Party. Those stories were then recycled by right-wing media in the United States and then eventually came out of the mouth of a U.S. senator.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1535 on: May 24, 2022, 04:15:10 AM »
If you scroll down to the bottom of that page the authors provide over a thousand linked sources for the data, of each person who died. It's clearly not fake.

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« Reply #1536 on: May 24, 2022, 06:42:54 AM »
If you scroll down to the bottom of that page the authors provide over a thousand linked sources for the data, of each person who died. It's clearly not fake.

Seems like cardiac events for young athletes have been on the rise since 1980:


https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.108.804617

I looked at a bunch of the links to news stories about some of the deaths. Couldn't find a single one that attributed a death to vaccines. One of the news stories even said, "According to the medical examiner's office in Roanoke, Va., the athlete, 20, died by suicide."

Another one, "Former Auburn QB Jeff Klein Dead Shortly After Stage 4 Cancer Diagnosis: 'We Lost a Good One'"

"The 52-year-old WWE Hall of Famer noted that he experienced health issues back in September. Receiving a procedure for what has been discovered to be a genetic heart issue that caused heart failure, Triple H now has a defibrillator in his chest."

"Winger Maddy Lawrence, 20, had been playing for the University of West England Women's second team against the University of Bristol on March 7 when she was injured. The first-year student later died in hospital on Friday, March 25. Her family say she had contracted an infection and her rugby injury was not life-threatening."

"The body of a teenager has been pulled from the water at Mugdock Country Park."


Here's one where Covid infection was the cause of death:

"Case in point, newly acquired Dutch attacker Delano Burgzorg. The Rheinhessen club confirmed on Tuesday that the 23-year-old was diagnosed with mild heart inflammation during a routine post-COVID exam. Much like--among many others--Bayern fullback winger Alphonso Davies, Burgzorg's COVID infection has left him with some lingering effects."

There doesn't seem to be any correlation presented between athlete deaths and vaccination.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1537 on: May 24, 2022, 08:24:41 AM »
So the athlete deaths increase by a few every year, but then in 2021 it suddenly increases multiple fold in a single year like the FIFA increase, and coincidentally increasing in number throughout the year as the vaccines are rolled out in number throughout the year, sure.  ::)

If the vaccine lowers bodily immunity as it is alleged then it could result in things like infection or cancer. Many of those are heart issues. It takes a professional denialist to blindly deny athletes clutching their chest at cup tournaments as normal and expected.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1538 on: May 24, 2022, 09:46:57 AM »
So the athlete deaths increase by a few every year, but then in 2021 it suddenly increases multiple fold in a single year like the FIFA increase, and coincidentally increasing in number throughout the year as the vaccines are rolled out in number throughout the year, sure.  ::)

If the vaccine lowers bodily immunity as it is alleged then it could result in things like infection or cancer. Many of those are heart issues. It takes a professional denialist to blindly deny athletes clutching their chest at cup tournaments as normal and expected.



Well, this is strange:

Andy Murray beats Nikoloz Basilashvili in five-set thriller at Australian Open
https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/33090267/andy-murray-beat-nikoloz-basilashvili-five-set-thriller-australian-open

Murray beats Basilashvili a week or so later after the Sydney ATP tourney where he dropped out of because he had trouble breathing.

Looks like he recovered from whatever was going on in just about 10 days. Must be some sort of miracle. Even more of a miracle, he has gone on to compete in:

Feb
- Dubai

March
- Indian Wells
- Miami Masters

April
- Monte Carlo
- Barcelona
- Munich

May
- Madrid
- Rome
- Geneva

All the run-up during Clay Season to Roland Garros, where he has since won his first round match. Truly a miracle.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1539 on: May 24, 2022, 10:06:40 AM »
Yes, because the claim here is that it has a 100% near term fatality rate.  ::)