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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« Last post by xasop on May 15, 2022, 08:30:49 AM »
Yes, it's the woman's body and therefore the woman's right to choose, not the man's.
No, Tom happens to be right on this particular issue. If the man wants the woman to get an abortion, and she declines, he should have no obligation (legal or social) to 18 years of financial support for a child he doesn't want.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« Last post by stack on May 15, 2022, 05:50:21 AM »
Somehow it is acceptable for a woman to abandon responsibility to her unborn child, but it is unacceptable for a man to do it.

You’re not making any sense.

How is it acceptable for a woman to abandon responsibility to her unborn child via abortion when people like you in society think that is an unacceptable act? As you’re screaming at her that she is baby killer as she’s walking into planned parenthood.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« Last post by honk on May 15, 2022, 05:27:39 AM »
It is considered unacceptable for a man to abandon his unborn child upon learning that his partner was pregnant regardless of whether the child is later born or killed by abortion.

Yes, because of the assumption that the child will be born; hence his abandoning her in the first place. If it were clearly understood beforehand that she was getting an abortion, than any "abandonment" of her on his part would be entirely unnotable and no different to any other breakup. We don't hear about those cases precisely because of their lack of notability. This isn't any sort of tacit societal admission that fetuses are important whether they're born or not.

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Somehow it is acceptable for a woman to abandon responsibility to her unborn child, but it is unacceptable for a man to do it.

Yes, it's the woman's body and therefore the woman's right to choose, not the man's.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« Last post by Tom Bishop on May 15, 2022, 04:35:48 AM »
It is considered unacceptable for a man to abandon his unborn child upon learning that his partner was pregnant regardless of whether the child is later born or killed by abortion.

Somehow it is acceptable for a woman to abandon responsibility to her unborn child, but it is unacceptable for a man to do it.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« Last post by honk on May 15, 2022, 04:11:57 AM »
Nobody would care about a man abandoning an unborn child without the prior assumption that the child will be born, and therefore the man will be expected to be a father. That's why they're doing the abandoning in the first place, isn't it?
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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Eurovision 2022
« Last post by rooster on May 15, 2022, 03:44:39 AM »
Yep, to no one's surprise, Ukraine won.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« Last post by Tom Bishop on May 15, 2022, 03:06:42 AM »
... you are now arguing that abortion is only acceptable for medical reasons.

Um, don't think I am...

I asked why a man abandoning his unborn child was considered unacceptable and why a woman aborting her unborn child was considered acceptable. You answered that it was mainly because a woman faced possible medical complications.

Therefore you are arguing that abortion is only acceptable for medical reasons, as that is the main difference between acceptable and unacceptable according to you.

Granted that this makes no sense since you guys do not believe that, but this is only a consequence of having double standards and poor morals on this abortion subject overall.

I don't know what you mean by "social" ramifications. But I'm unclear if there are ramifications if a man abandons an unborn child. But there are certainly ramifications if a man abandons a born child.

What are the ramifications, "social" or otherwise, for abandoning an unborn child?

I am confident that you can figure that one out for yourself. Try telling your family that you abandoned your unborn child after learning that your partner was pregnant.
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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Eurovision 2022
« Last post by junker on May 15, 2022, 02:52:24 AM »
it's like the time the patriots won the very good bowl after 9/11
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion
« Last post by stack on May 14, 2022, 05:33:55 PM »
A woman gets pregnant and aborts her unborn child to "do what was best for herself". This is considered acceptable.

A man learns that his girlfriend is pregnant and immediately abandons her and his unborn child to "do what was best for himself". This is considered unacceptable.

Why?

There are no medical or social consequences for the man. She might have to suffer medical complications, she might be unable to work at some point over the 9 mth pregnancy and thereafter, and a whole host of other downsides that will not affect the man at all.

In simplistic terms, he's not walking away from the same things as she is. He's shirking support and financial issues only, far lesser issues than the mother.

There are social consequences for a man abandoning his unborn child, that is incorrect.

Sure, there is a difference, and a woman may suffer medical complications. But you are now arguing that abortion is only acceptable for medical reasons. Since we know that this is not what you believe, we can see that this is a disingenuous line of reasoning.

I don't know what you mean by "social" ramifications. But I'm unclear if there are ramifications if a man abandons an unborn child. But there are certainly ramifications if a man abandons a born child.

What are the ramifications, "social" or otherwise, for abandoning an unborn child?