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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: VFX Artists React to the Moon Landing

« on: July 05, 2021, 02:42:57 PM »

You only have to look at the Apollo 11 conference to see that not one of the team had been to the moon.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: July 05, 2021, 01:58:02 PM »

But, you might be saying, “how can this be? I thought the astronauts on the Moon couldn’t see any stars, so how can anyone see stars in space?”

It is a common misconception that the Apollo astronauts didn’t see any stars. While stars don’t show up in the pictures from the Apollo missions, that’s because the camera exposures were set to allow for good images of the bright sunlit lunar surface, which included astronauts in bright white space suits and shiny spacecraft. Apollo astronauts reported they could see the brighter stars if they stood in the shadow of the Lunar Module, and also they saw stars while orbiting the far side of the Moon. Al Worden from Apollo 15 has said the sky was “awash with stars” in the view from the far side of the Moon that was not in daylight.
Just like stargazers on Earth need dark skies to see stars, so too when you’re in space.[/i]

Michael Collins said he couldn't see any stars at all and he was supposedly orbiting the moon.

Are you sure about that?

Regarding going around the dark side of the moon with no radio contact for an hour:

“If a count were taken,” Collins famously wrote in his 1974 memoir Carrying the Fire, “the score would be three billion plus two over on the other side of the moon, and one plus God only knows what on this side. I like the feeling. Outside my window I can see stars — and that is all. Where I know the moon to be, there is simply a black void.”

He said he couldn't remember seeing any at the Apollo 11 conference 

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: July 03, 2021, 10:48:21 PM »

But, you might be saying, “how can this be? I thought the astronauts on the Moon couldn’t see any stars, so how can anyone see stars in space?”

It is a common misconception that the Apollo astronauts didn’t see any stars. While stars don’t show up in the pictures from the Apollo missions, that’s because the camera exposures were set to allow for good images of the bright sunlit lunar surface, which included astronauts in bright white space suits and shiny spacecraft. Apollo astronauts reported they could see the brighter stars if they stood in the shadow of the Lunar Module, and also they saw stars while orbiting the far side of the Moon. Al Worden from Apollo 15 has said the sky was “awash with stars” in the view from the far side of the Moon that was not in daylight.
Just like stargazers on Earth need dark skies to see stars, so too when you’re in space.[/i]

Michael Collins said he couldn't see any stars at all and he was supposedly orbiting the moon.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: July 03, 2021, 10:46:01 PM »

When you say "behind" do you mean in photos like the blue marble?
You understand that the earth is a LOT brighter than the stars? If you're taking a photo then the exposure settings of a camera can't be adjusted for the earth's brightness and the stars at the same time. It's the same reason you can't see the stars in photos taken on the moon.
The ISS and the Apollo astronauts aren't the same. The Apollo astronauts were on the moon in the lunar day, which is a bit like being on the Earth in the day time - you can't see the stars because it's too bright. There is a difference - the earth has an atmosphere and the moon does not, but with the brightness of the moon's surface it would still be difficult to see them. But they could see some stars if they stood in the shadow of the lunar module and they could certainly see them while orbiting the moon and on the journey from/to it:

https://www.universetoday.com/136802/can-astronauts-see-stars-space-station/

The same would apply on the ISS when they're on the night side of the earth.

Exposure isn't much of a excuse in this day and age. Why not use two cameras with separate exposure settings? Apparently the real reason is stars can't be seen at all out in space.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is gravity necessary for GPS to work?

« on: July 03, 2021, 10:37:19 PM »

That would suggest the earth is moving I guess.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is gravity necessary for GPS to work?

« on: July 03, 2021, 09:36:48 PM »

But the point I'm making is there is a land based system that functions well enough and so satellites aren't necessary.

The point you're missing is that "land" is the operative word. What if you don't have any land (Like way out at sea) and you need your location? Today, you use GPS, not the other two land-based methods, as there is no land.

Anecdote: My wife was crewing on a 44' sailboat from Los Angeles to French Polynesia and back. On the way back, they were trying to thread between two storms and tore their mainsail. She called me on their Sat Phone (Expensive call) and she gave me their coordinates she got off their GPS - They were 1900 or so miles south of Hawaii, about here (red dot):



There were no cell towers or wifi connections anywhere even remotely near them. (They were able to limp to Oahu with just a semi-functioning mainsail, a jib and motoring)

Now we just have to find out if they're orbiting the earth or whether they are somehow fixed in one position which admittedly seems unlikely.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is gravity necessary for GPS to work?

« on: July 03, 2021, 09:32:36 PM »

But the point I'm making is there is a land based system that functions well enough and so satellites aren't necessary.

They are necessary when you're in the middle of the ocean.
GPS demonstrably works there, ships use it as their primary method of navigation these days.

So satellites exist then, okay we've sorted that out.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: July 03, 2021, 09:10:51 PM »

Perhaps they just used the same model. The thing is we should be able to see stars behind the earth and we don't which makes no sense - you should be able to at least see something. They say you can't see stars in space but NASA contradicts itself on that score. The Apollo team says you can't whilst the ISS team says you can - are they both correct? I don't see how.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is gravity necessary for GPS to work?

« on: July 03, 2021, 09:03:15 PM »

But the point I'm making is there is a land based system that functions well enough and so satellites aren't necessary.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is gravity necessary for GPS to work?

« on: July 03, 2021, 04:56:46 PM »

GPS is actually ground based repeaters\networks

Do you have any evidence for that? That’s a lot of infrastructure which has to be put in place and maintained. Are all the people who work on that sworn to secrecy for some reason? How does GPS work in the middle of the ocean?

Google Maps Mobile uses a land based system so it's clear that it does exist.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: July 03, 2021, 04:54:26 PM »

I'm really not sure what this has to do with anything, but you can find all sorts of pictures taken using a telescope - just open a new tab and head over to Google. Again though, images of things that are not Earth are not going to help prove what shape the actual Earth is.

Yes, but do you know of any that are genuine photos as opposed to paintings? When I was looking for them I couldn't tell what was and what wasn't a painting.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Is gravity necessary for GPS to work?

« on: July 02, 2021, 05:40:39 PM »

GPS is actually ground based repeaters\networks. The G should stand for ground.
There is no gravity so its a definite no. Real gravity is an electromagnetic force
between any object and ground.  Anyone who uses satellite in a sentence does not
realize what goes up must come down.

How can you be so sure gravity doesn't exist?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: July 02, 2021, 05:39:07 PM »

I literally used your words in my response. I'm not sure how the irony in your reply got lost. OK let's back up then. Your thread title: "Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?" And the answer: No. Not it does not prove any such thing, not by a long shot, and I'm not sure you are using the word "prove" correctly if you even suspect otherwise.

Thanks for your input. Do you know of any photos taken using a telescope that shows the features of a planet? Are they even available?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Questions for flat earth

« on: July 02, 2021, 12:47:23 PM »

I am becoming a believer of flat earth. But 2 questions always bother me....aliens and the firmament.  Where do aliens come from then?  There's no outer space.  Are they just from over the Ice wall?  Why would they want to experiment or anything with us? If outer space does not exist who put the firmament there and how ?  Why haven't more people studied this ?  I can't seem to ever really find these answers

Aliens are inter dimensional beings and have probably been around since forever. The reason for the present hybridization program being carried out on board the ships is still a mystery. The firmament might exist, there again it might not - we don't know.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Questions for flat earth

« on: July 02, 2021, 12:40:21 PM »

I am not a "believer" of flat Earth. I do not think that one needs to be a supporter of a flat Earth model to answer your questions, though, so I'll give it a try.

1) There is no evidence of alien life yet and definitely not of alien intelligent life that has visited us. Hypothetically speaking they could be coming either from beyond the ice wall or from within the Earth. Or we can ask them when we see one! On their motivations to interact with us I would say that curiosity would be the main driver. Or conquest!!

2) You question on the firmament cannot be answered, but the same goes for outer space. If the firmament does not exist then who put outer space there? It is a philosophical question rather than a scientific one. Note that the existence of the firmament is a separate issue to the question on the shape of the Earth.

3) Regarding the number of people that have studied this, based on the answers I've seen in other posts here, I would say that proponents of a flat Earth support that it is because most people are nurtured to the idea of a spherical Earth in childhood and never challenge this as adults.

There's a lot of evidence proving aliens to be real. You just have to look for it.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Research flat earth community

« on: July 02, 2021, 01:15:34 AM »

There's little theory involved in FE. Observing the world as it is in accordance with the scientific method is a sounder way of going about things. It's this unnecessary belief in a globe that relies on theory not the other way around.

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Flat Earth Community / Is gravity necessary for GPS to work?

« on: July 01, 2021, 10:41:34 PM »

Also, is a ball earth necessary for it to work as well?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: July 01, 2021, 10:39:44 PM »

It may not prove it categorically but it would suggest that it's likely. Wouldn't it? Why wouldn't we live on a ball like the planets seen through telescopes?

There are 5 pieces of furniture in my dining room. 4 of them are chairs. Therefore, the 5th piece must also be a chair. I mean, this may not be a categorical proof, but why would an undefined object be different from the 4 I've already defined?

Assumptions have known to be wrong though.

Sure, it may not prove it categorically but it would suggest that it's likely. Wouldn't it?

It would but we're going for certainty - is the earth a ball or not. 'Likely' doesn't really cut it.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: July 01, 2021, 11:58:13 AM »

It may not prove it categorically but it would suggest that it's likely. Wouldn't it? Why wouldn't we live on a ball like the planets seen through telescopes?

There are 5 pieces of furniture in my dining room. 4 of them are chairs. Therefore, the 5th piece must also be a chair. I mean, this may not be a categorical proof, but why would an undefined object be different from the 4 I've already defined?

Assumptions have known to be wrong though.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Do the images of planets prove we live on a globe?

« on: June 30, 2021, 09:25:15 PM »

I still maintain that the earth is flat and looks like other galaxies.   Galaxies look flat, so I can sort of use the same logic as Planeteers.

It sounds like you believe our earth is in motion or have I got that wrong?