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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 30, 2024, 08:17:56 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1226626397/trump-defamation-trial

Winning bigly.

Trump is actually winning 1 - 0 on these sex lawsuits after all appeals are concluded. As I recall you guys spent years gloating over this person.





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If all of my examples give reasons to distrust, then does this mean that you distrust the flat earth community; this was on the examples list. I mean Bob Knodel of the flat earth community did say "well, we can't accept that" in regards to the 15 degree drift he observed from his own test. And, some of the test setups referenced in this Wiki are very inaccurate and faulty - for example the referenced YouTube video where the test setup uses a solid piece of magnifying glass to simulate earth's atmosphere. Should we conclude that the flat earth community should inherently be distrusted along with the claim that the earth is flat?       

You stated that I want to believe them (NASA?) in regards to space travel just because I love space.

I suppose that I am to infer that you don't want to believe them (NASA) in regards to space travel just because you hate space.

I've never spoken to Bob, and his theories or assumptions are not relevant to this website. One guy saying something somewhere is also not "the flat earth community", or even a representation of the FE community he was part of. The Wiki on this site is more representative to some kind of community consensus than the word of a single person. The information on the Wiki is collected from the TFES discussions, which at least generally involves more than one person. You will find that there is different information there on the operation of the Ring Laser Gyro than from what Bob thinks.

What you are referring about daylight pattern in the Wiki is accurate in the sense that the seasonal daylight patterns can be explained in that manner. There is a way to explain it in that particular model, and that is all it presents itself as in the Wiki - an explanation of what may be happening - "If the light is shining through imperfect affecting phenomena it may widen into a non-circular shape." It does not claim to take any further steps to prove that it is occurring in that way. Your demands on that next step is irrelevant to the statement that an explanation exists for those shapes.

Since you don't deny that your main foundation for defending NASA is based on your love of space, and want to divert the discussion to other topics now, I will assume that you concede on the conspiracy discussion. I therefore don't really see any point in continuing the discussion with you.

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All of your examples give reason to distrust.

Ie. "In the early 1980's Milton Bradley released their Dark Tower Board game which a few years later went into litigation due to trade secret's being stolen from several independent game developers. Does this mean that board games are a hoax?"

This is not a reason to implicitly trust Milton Bradley on the IP rights for their games. This is a reason to distrust them. They stole that game, so why should we just assume that they are honest good working people and that all of their games are legitimate?

But this is essentially what you are asking us to do here, despite the government having essentially lied to us thoroughly and often about many of their "games".

You want to believe them in regards to space travel just because you love space, while you perform a 180 to distrust the government on a whole host of other topics which you aren't as passionate about.

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The only reason most people are enamored with NASA is because of a childhood space fantasy.

I rarely see any defense of the US Government and others over lying to the people to get into wars, poisoning its people in illegal medical experiments (which they have admitted), or showing us phony inflation and unemployment numbers. Because your defense of NASA and Co. is mainly rooted in your fantasy, and it is otherwise generally conceded that the governments are prolific liars and sociopaths who have ulterior motives and countless secrets, is it a weak argument that government space agencies should be inherently trusted.

Based on all we know, government claims should be inherently distrusted.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Get a haircut, you hippie!
« on: January 26, 2024, 06:55:08 PM »
I believe the state is required to put the alternative school in his area and not force people to move. There can be multiple grade levels in a classroom, or there can even be no classroom. There are often options for the student to complete most of the work in packets at home, with occasional meet with their teacher, or occasional proctored test.

There are ways to put alternative schools in the student's area cheaply without the full infrastructure of a traditional school, meeting the education needs of students with disciplinary issues, allowing them to get their accredited High School diploma.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Get a haircut, you hippie!
« on: January 26, 2024, 06:32:12 PM »
In the link I posted the school is objecting to that interpretation of the Crown Act and believe that it doesn't prohibit length restrictions.

The state owes you an accredited secondary education, but that doesn't mean that you can go to a school which requires a school uniform and refuse to wear that uniform. If you refuse to abide by uniform or grooming regulations you will simply be placed in a school which is more flexible in that regard, which is what happened here.

The state says that there is a school for his choice of style. It's just not that one.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Get a haircut, you hippie!
« on: January 26, 2024, 05:28:53 PM »
I don't believe the state is refusing to provide an education to this guy. They enrolled him into an alternative school. He just can't go to a school with high standards for grooming and conduct. I don't understand why all schools must be forced to accept and tolerate this:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/trending/article/barbers-hill-isd-upholds-hair-policy-18614557.php

    At one point, George was sent to an alternative school in October for what the school district’s spokesperson said in an email was “multiple infractions,” including classroom disruption, tardy policy violations and violation of the district’s “dress and grooming policy.” He returned seven weeks later and was placed on in-school suspension again for not complying with the hair policy.

Many schools have always had conduct and grooming standards. Dress and grooming is a matter of discipline, which is historically part of the educational curriculum.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Get a haircut, you hippie!
« on: January 25, 2024, 07:17:15 PM »
Where have I said anything negative about mask mandates?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Get a haircut, you hippie!
« on: January 25, 2024, 03:12:05 PM »
Not my country, not my legal system, not my school board and not my choice of tonsorial elegance but, ffs, what is this; the 1960s?  Isn't a State court a rather heavy steamhammer against bad hair?  Jeepers, if your hair/attire/adornments aren't endangering or offending the public, what's the problem?

Dress code requirements are also not endangering the public, so what's the issue?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Eclipse prediction
« on: January 23, 2024, 05:51:15 AM »
Exploratorium.edu suggests that the method to predict the eclipse is with the Saros Cycle --

https://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/video/how-predict-eclipses




According to NASA's "Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses" the Saros can predict the Annular Eclipse (ring eclipse) as well.

https://www.cs.ou.edu/~hougen/classes/Fall-2017/DataStructures/materials/Projects/Data/5MCSE-Text11.pdf

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Other organizations, such as the NOAA, also indicate that they are using the Saros Cycle for eclipse models --

https://sos.noaa.gov/catalog/datasets/solar-eclipse-paths-2010-2030/



"Eclipses are very predictable as they follow a cycle that takes place over 6,585 days. This cycle is known as the Saros cycle. Every 18 years, 11 days, and 8 hours, a similar eclipse path arises as the Sun, Earth, and Moon are relatively in the same geometry, but shifted over 120 degrees in longitude on Earth. Thanks to the cycle, we know that the path the 2023 Annular Eclipse will follow (Saros 134) will repeat on October 25, 2041, just over China and Japan."

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Eclipse prediction
« on: January 23, 2024, 05:20:16 AM »
Anyone clicking on that link can see that not all of the sources are old. That Wiki link cites nasa.gov, University of Florida, University College London, and wired.com.

University College London says under the heading "How are eclipses calculated?" that the eclipses are predicted by the Saros Cycle, and that it can be used to predict partial eclipses and the path and location of the eclipse --

https://web.archive.org/web/20080203093833/http://www.ulo.ucl.ac.uk/public/eclipse/ecl_calc.html

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Thus the ancients discovered that, if a solar eclipse occurred on a given day, another eclipse would occur 6585.32 days later when the Moon and Sun again lined up almost exactly, although at a different place along the ecliptic. However, the resulting solar eclipse would be visible about 1/3 of the way around the world and not always visible from the original location, even in its partial phases. But, after three Saros cycles, or 54 years, 1 month, and a couple of days, another solar eclipse would occur at the same approximate range of longitudes on Earth. This time, however, the next eclipse in the 54 year cycle would be some distance further north or further south of the previous track, depending on whether or not the eclipses happen on the descending node (Moon going south as it crosses the ecliptic) or ascending node.

Query looked up some old eclipses in the Saros that contains the 11 August 1999 eclipse. The previous eclipses in this Saros are (going backwards in time, with areas of visibility):

1981 July 31, Pacific Ocean and Asia
1963 July 20, Alaska, Canada, NE United States
1945 July 9, Canada, Scandinavia, Russia
1927 June 29, England, Scandinavia
etc.

So this particular Saros is moving steadily southward with each total solar eclipse; note that the 1945 eclipse was 54 years, one month, 2 days before the 1999 eclipse, at similar longitudes, but about 12-15 degrees further north. Thus we can now predict a solar eclipse to be visible from the Mediterranean, North Africa, and Arabia on 12 September, 2053.

Over a few hundred years, each Saros series involves eclipses starting at in the Arctic or Antarctic, gradually migrating south or north, and eventually ending at the other pole. The direction depends on whether the eclipses are at the ascending or descending node. At any one time, there are around 14 or 15 Saros cycles producing eclipses.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Eclipse prediction
« on: January 22, 2024, 02:20:08 AM »
Eclipse prediction has been long discussed. I would suggest reading and respond to the Wiki - https://wiki.tfes.org/Astronomical_Prediction_Based_on_Patterns#The_Eclipses

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Does history support the Flat Earth Theory?
« on: January 18, 2024, 12:57:36 AM »
2. If this is the case, we can then reasonably ask: why have none of these nations ever revealed to the world this conspiracy as a tactic in the game of great power relations?

Why are you claiming that no nation thought there was a conspiracy when this thread just explained that Hitler and the Nazis did, who said that it was Jewish science. Hitler was one of the few leaders who have tried to expose an alternative version of the world.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: January 16, 2024, 11:02:03 PM »

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Does history support the Flat Earth Theory?
« on: January 14, 2024, 07:09:07 AM »
Based on how Hitler is described in the OP I suspect the poster has been watching some of those alt-Hitler documentaries which allege Hitler and the Nazis were really christian nationalist good guys who broke free of the Jewish Banking Cabal. The Jewish empire allegedly struck back and started World War II to contain them, and proceeded to demonize them with lies. Ever since then, according to this theory, the Jews basically controlled the world with near total control. Occasionally a country would try to break free of the Rothschild system and would be put in its place, such as with the fate of Lybian leader Muammar Gaddafi who denounced the bankers and spoke against a Zionist Agenda.

It's an interesting theory, and probably a little more realistic than the other grand conspiracy that the YouTube FE'ers like where the world is controlled by Satan, and RE and NASA are a Satanic Conspiracy. At least it doesn't invoke the paranormal directly.

However, pinning down the exact details of a possible conspiracy is ultimately inconsequential to a determination of whether there is a possible conspiracy. In many ways philosophy asks us to assume the possibility that we are controlled by a conspiracy, such as the theory that we are a computer simulation, that we live under the rule of a god or gods of some kind, that reality exists as the dream of a butterfly, and so on. Even the idea that "life has a purpose for you", which is an incredibly common belief, invokes a conspiracy influencung your life. If philosophy is at the point where we have to consider that we are in a computer simulation designed by unknown programmers, then trying to rule out a conspiracy based on the logic of what a country would or would not do is a futile effort.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Does history support the Flat Earth Theory?
« on: January 12, 2024, 07:31:33 PM »
I was reading up on other books about the Nazi hollow earth and the chapter Hitler and the 'Phantom Universe' in the book The Hollow Earth Enigma was an entertaining read and gives some more details.

In this version of the events the Nazi military was interested in funding inverted Hollow Earth research for a military advantage. Some of the earlier American inverse Hollow Earth researchers were claiming infrared experiments that could see much further than possible and hypothesized that infrared rays were less curved than normal light rays. We know from the latest FE developments that people like JTolan claim to see hundreds of miles further than should be possible with infrared from airplanes, and it sounds like similar experiments were conducted by Hollow Earthers in the early 1900's at the advent of infrared photography. The Nazis postulated that if they could use infrared technology to see an eighth of the earth it would provide a great tactical advantage.

Unfortunately it seems that they were assuming that we were living on the inside of a Hollow Earth and were pointing the telescopic IR cameras up too high at the sky, and also made the mistake of conducting the experiment at sea level near water, which we know isn't ideal for infrared long distance observations since too much atmosphere still interferes.

This version of the events seems to imply that the inverted Hollow Earth theory was popular among the top Nazis but Hitler didn't know about Hollow Earth until shortly before approving the experiments, which I somewhat doubt. It also doesn't mention the quote attributed to Hitler defending hollow earth previously mentioned. A lot of the other details are the same, however.

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Never heard of him before this incident. The Politico article I provided links to an interview with him, and he credits billionaire Democrat Harvard donor Bill Ackman for leading the financial pressure and suggests that they're all allies who had a shared goal of toppling the president of Harvard University.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/03/christopher-rufo-claudine-gay-harvard-resignation-00133618

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I’ve learned that it never hurts to take the credit because sometimes people don’t give it to you. But this really was a team effort that involved three primary points of leverage. First was the narrative leverage, and this was done primarily by me, Christopher Brunet and Aaron Sibarium. Second was the financial leverage, which was led by Bill Ackman and other Harvard donors. And finally, there was the political leverage which was really led by Congresswoman Elise Stefanik’s masterful performance with Claudine Gay at her hearings.

When you put those three elements together — narrative, financial and political pressure — and you squeeze hard enough, you see the results that we got today, which was the resignation of America’s most powerful academic leader. I think that this result speaks for itself.

How closely have you been coordinating with the other people in those three camps?

I know all the players, I have varying degrees of coordination and communication, but —

What does that mean, “various degrees of communication and coordination?” Have you been actively working together?

Some people I speak to a little more frequently, some people a little less frequently. But my job as a journalist and even more so as an activist is to know the political conditions, to understand and develop relationships with all of the political actors, and then to work as hard as I can so that they’re successful in achieving their individual goals — but also to accomplish the shared goal, which was to topple the president of Harvard University.

MSNBC credited Bill Ackman for leading Gay's ouster, and the Guardian credits him as well -

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/jan/03/bill-ackman-billionaire-attacks-claudine-gay-harvard-twitter-x

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Chief among the campaigners celebrating the resignation of Claudine Gay as president of Harvard University was a man who arguably did the most to push Gay, Harvard’s first Black president, out the door: Bill Ackman, a billionaire hedge-fund manager and Harvard alumnus.

From the earlier MSNBC video posted it said after the five minute mark that Bill Ackman "called on the university to release the names of students who signed a pro-Palestinian statement in order to get them blacklisted from future jobs, stating none of the companies which he controls will hire a student who had signed the statement and nor should others."

Should Harvard be releasing the names of students who signed a pro-Palestinian statement?

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The Right didn't get Claudine Gay fired. The Right piled on because they assumed that she was a leftist. But it was really the Left that did her in. Bill Ackman mentioned from the MSNBC segment, for example, is a Democrat. She was too conservative for their liking and they didn't like her politics. This is the primary reason she was targeted.

Politico admits that it was the Left that did her in -

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/05/claudine-gay-resignation-battle-column-00133820 - "The Right Is Dancing on Claudine Gay’s Grave. But It Was the Center-Left That Did Her In. -- Her fate was decided by folks on the center-left and the left. The only things conservatives had to do was fan the flames."

Read her bio and the criticisms about her carefully - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudine_Gay

She fired a Harvard dean for joining Harvy Winstein's defense team as a political statement and she was criticized for failing to condemn the attacks after the recent Hamas-Israel incident. She was also widely criticized because she said antisemitism is only bad if it crosses into bullying.

She simply wasn't far enough on the left. Liberals targeted her because she was too conservative for them.

From her Wikipedia page:

"In 2019, Harvard Law School professor and Winthrop House faculty dean Ronald S. Sullivan Jr. faced student protests after joining the legal defense team for Harvey Weinstein, who was on trial for rape.[26] Gay called Sullivan's response to the controversy "insufficient," citing his "special responsibility" for the well-being of Winthrop residents.[27] Administrators including Harvard College Dean Rakesh Khurana and Gay ultimately decided not to renew Sullivan's contract as Winthrop dean"

"After the October 7, 2023, Hamas-led attack on Israel, Gay faced criticism, including from former Harvard President Lawrence Summers,[7][8] for failing to adequately condemn the attacks."

"When asked if a hypothetical call for the genocide of Jewish people would qualify as a violation of Harvard's code of conduct, Gay responded, "It can be, depending on the context." She later clarified, "Antisemitic rhetoric, when it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment, intimidation — that is actionable conduct and we do take action."[46] Gay's remarks were broadly criticized in the media."

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Getting the celestial model to work was one of the first things we looked at when we started looking into FE with our group. Not sure why someone would choose to consult a video game on Steam instead of the Flat Earth Society.

We are far beyond these base questions, have gone on to complete a survey of astronomy under a FE mindset, and are now on the stage of wondering why there are so many geometric and physical anomalies in the supposedly truer RE that seem to favor the FE conception of the cosmos.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 09, 2024, 04:27:07 AM »
It's fairly clear that in the full clip Trump is talking about electromagnets. Trump is shortening 'electromagnet' to 'magnet', as it is a type of magnet which is already explicitly defined in the full speech to be the type in question.

At the 1:30 minute mark of the below fuller video of the clip he even launches into a story about how an engineer named Bill Jones from the NAVY was talking to him and comparing the older and more reliable steam systems with the electromagnetic systems on ships. One of the problems mentioned is that when the electromagnetic systems were exposed to water they would shut down. This is where the concern about water comes from.

The electromagnetic systems the engineer worked on on those NAVY ships was assuredly "waterproofed", but the doors to the systems had to be opened for work and maintenance. The engineer suggests he is concerned about giant waves hitting the ship during maintenance and the water making its way inside and damaging the components, when this was not an issue with previous designs.


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