the curvature shown in those photos contradicts the local perception of apparant flatness.And the predicted curvature of RET ;)
the curvature shown in those photos contradicts the local perception of apparant flatness.And the predicted curvature of RET ;)
the curvature shown in those photos contradicts the local perception of apparant flatness.And the predicted curvature of RET ;)
Exactly. There is no consistency in these "photographs" from space. The curvature changes wildly with no relation to the supposed altitude the photo is taken from.
But yeah, you can't see "x-rays," but you can see the result of them processed on film. I can't see or feel the effects of flying through space at 16,000 mph, while spinning on a curved axis at 1,000mph... and I don't even see any results directly related to these apparent motions.
Most, if not all, FE supporters anchor their beliefs, theories and arguments in perception.It doesn't sound like you trust your own senses. Your arm is bent where there is no joint and hurts like hell. You won't believe your arm is broken until a doctor shows you an x-ray.
Are your beliefs, theories and arguments of all aspects of life anchored in perception or is perception limited to or specially reserved for FE theory?
For example, say you fall and break your arm. You know it's broke because it hurts like hell and may be bent at a weird angle, there is no question of your perception. When you go to the doctor's office he will take an x-ray of your arm and produce an image of your broken arm so that he knows exactly what he's dealing with.
The rub is that human beings are absolutely incapable of perceiving x-rays. The image produced is a manipulation, by equipment, to produce a visible spectrum image.
Considering that the average person has absolutely no idea of the true machinations of the x-ray equipment and/or the processing equipment, do you believe these images without question or do you disregard them the same as all images of space travel or distant stars/galaxies, which you label, at minimum, as being manipulated in some fashion? Since you can NOT see inside your arm and actually perceive the broken ends of the bone do you believe that the manipulated image is, in fact, a true representation of your arm?
Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
In that case, you are one of a rare breed of FEers, as apparently I am with REers. Most FEers I have spoken with simply charge ahead with their beliefs, with no regard to whether or not they are actually correct. It would seem many REers do the same.Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
We FEers have no reason to distrust the establishment either. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I don't know how many times REers have told me I'm foolish to believe the Earth is flat just because I perceive it to be flat. If pressed they often go to great lengths to demonstrate to me that my senses are always lying to me and can never be trusted. They pull out obvious optical illusions, sets of boxes and vases that look like people and cars that appear to be driving uphill and all kinds of wacky shit. I find it a wonder that REers are able to believe anything at all, considering that our senses are really our only way of interacting with the world around us, yet they seem to be believe they can't be trusted for anything.
I don't see where "the establishment" has anything to do with it. In fact, as I've explained previously, medicine is one of the rare arts that puts practical zeteticism into use on a consistent basis and if anything its practitioners' adherence to a discipline so strongly anti-NASA suggests that they are more friend than foe. I'm really just not sure I agree that NASA is part of "the establishment". Their influence has weakened a great deal over the years. Maybe at one time... but honestly, they are more like a novelty at this point than anything else (like a "Weird Al" song, or fake dog poo), and even at that they have gotten stale.
I saw a video of a night time high altitude balloon flight . It appeared to go so high as to see the sun far off. Have you seen the video? What is your opinion?In that case, you are one of a rare breed of FEers, as apparently I am with REers. Most FEers I have spoken with simply charge ahead with their beliefs, with no regard to whether or not they are actually correct. It would seem many REers do the same.Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
We FEers have no reason to distrust the establishment either. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I don't know how many times REers have told me I'm foolish to believe the Earth is flat just because I perceive it to be flat. If pressed they often go to great lengths to demonstrate to me that my senses are always lying to me and can never be trusted. They pull out obvious optical illusions, sets of boxes and vases that look like people and cars that appear to be driving uphill and all kinds of wacky shit. I find it a wonder that REers are able to believe anything at all, considering that our senses are really our only way of interacting with the world around us, yet they seem to be believe they can't be trusted for anything.
I don't see where "the establishment" has anything to do with it. In fact, as I've explained previously, medicine is one of the rare arts that puts practical zeteticism into use on a consistent basis and if anything its practitioners' adherence to a discipline so strongly anti-NASA suggests that they are more friend than foe. I'm really just not sure I agree that NASA is part of "the establishment". Their influence has weakened a great deal over the years. Maybe at one time... but honestly, they are more like a novelty at this point than anything else (like a "Weird Al" song, or fake dog poo), and even at that they have gotten stale.
It's true, our immediate perception would suggest that the earth is flat. There was a time when that was enough, when the heavens were simply a source of wonder and stories, and our business lay on the ground. But today our perception has widened. We now live in a world with satellites and GPS, where mankind has been to the moon and our machines have left the solar system. We have reason to believe that there is more than meets the eye. But rather than accept that their old perception has been phased out, most FEers will accuse pioneering organizations like NASA of deception and fraud, and dismiss our accomplishments in favor of their own perception. And apparently, most REers will attack their own perceptions of FEers, and only end up reenforcing the FEers beliefs. Both sides are guilty of this.
On the other hand, I am in a position with access to vast amounts of third party evidence that the earth is round. I am a member of the Space Hardware Club at my university, where we send up high-altitude balloons, participate in the ARISS program, and even have our own cubesat in orbit. I'm qualified to advocate for NASA and RE in a way few others are.
I saw a video of a night time high altitude balloon flight . It appeared to go so high as to see the sun far off. Have you seen the video? What is your opinion?I haven't yet, but I'd like to. Could you post the link?
I get what you're trying for, but don't see it being very convincing. The X-ray image of the broken bone lines up with the perception of events, it agrees with and supports the observation of a visible injury and the perception of pain. In contrast, photos from space are outside the experience of most people, the curvature shown in those photos contradicts the local perception of apparant flatness.
Most, if not all, FE supporters anchor their beliefs, theories and arguments in perception.It doesn't sound like you trust your own senses. Your arm is bent where there is no joint and hurts like hell. You won't believe your arm is broken until a doctor shows you an x-ray.
Are your beliefs, theories and arguments of all aspects of life anchored in perception or is perception limited to or specially reserved for FE theory?
For example, say you fall and break your arm. You know it's broke because it hurts like hell and may be bent at a weird angle, there is no question of your perception. When you go to the doctor's office he will take an x-ray of your arm and produce an image of your broken arm so that he knows exactly what he's dealing with.
The rub is that human beings are absolutely incapable of perceiving x-rays. The image produced is a manipulation, by equipment, to produce a visible spectrum image.
Considering that the average person has absolutely no idea of the true machinations of the x-ray equipment and/or the processing equipment, do you believe these images without question or do you disregard them the same as all images of space travel or distant stars/galaxies, which you label, at minimum, as being manipulated in some fashion? Since you can NOT see inside your arm and actually perceive the broken ends of the bone do you believe that the manipulated image is, in fact, a true representation of your arm?
the curvature shown in those photos contradicts the local perception of apparant flatness.And the predicted curvature of RET ;)
Exactly. There is no consistency in these "photographs" from space. The curvature changes wildly with no relation to the supposed altitude the photo is taken from.
But yeah, you can't see "x-rays," but you can see the result of them processed on film. I can't see or feel the effects of flying through space at 16,000 mph, while spinning on a curved axis at 1,000mph... and I don't even see any results directly related to these apparent motions.
Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)
Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
We FEers have no reason to distrust the establishment either. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I don't know how many times REers have told me I'm foolish to believe the Earth is flat just because I perceive it to be flat. If pressed they often go to great lengths to demonstrate to me that my senses are always lying to me and can never be trusted. They pull out obvious optical illusions, sets of boxes and vases that look like people and cars that appear to be going uphill while in neutral and all kinds of wacky shit. I find it a wonder that REers are able to believe anything at all, considering that our senses are really our only way of interacting with the world around us, yet they seem to be believe they can't be trusted for anything.
I don't see where "the establishment" has anything to do with it. In fact, as I've explained previously, medicine is one of the rare arts that puts practical zeteticism into use on a consistent basis and if anything its practitioners' adherence to a discipline so strongly anti-NASA suggests that they are more friend than foe. I'm really just not sure I agree that NASA is part of "the establishment". Their influence has weakened a great deal over the years. Maybe at one time... but honestly, they are more like a novelty at this point than anything else (like a "Weird Al" song, or fake dog poo), and even at that they have gotten stale.
Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
We FEers have no reason to distrust the establishment either. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I don't know how many times REers have told me I'm foolish to believe the Earth is flat just because I perceive it to be flat. If pressed they often go to great lengths to demonstrate to me that my senses are always lying to me and can never be trusted. They pull out obvious optical illusions, sets of boxes and vases that look like people and cars that appear to be going uphill while in neutral and all kinds of wacky shit. I find it a wonder that REers are able to believe anything at all, considering that our senses are really our only way of interacting with the world around us, yet they seem to be believe they can't be trusted for anything.
I don't see where "the establishment" has anything to do with it. In fact, as I've explained previously, medicine is one of the rare arts that puts practical zeteticism into use on a consistent basis and if anything its practitioners' adherence to a discipline so strongly anti-NASA suggests that they are more friend than foe. I'm really just not sure I agree that NASA is part of "the establishment". Their influence has weakened a great deal over the years. Maybe at one time... but honestly, they are more like a novelty at this point than anything else (like a "Weird Al" song, or fake dog poo), and even at that they have gotten stale.
So medicine is the only or one of the very few professions that proceeds by inquiry?
You would have us believe that NASA simply crammed a cylinder full of explosive stuff, threw a couple of guys on top of it and aimed it at the moon hoping for the best?
Come on, that's obviously not a rodent. Maybe if you squinted really hard at it, but otherwise, any normal person can see that it's just a rock. Don't be stupid.Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
We FEers have no reason to distrust the establishment either. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I don't know how many times REers have told me I'm foolish to believe the Earth is flat just because I perceive it to be flat. If pressed they often go to great lengths to demonstrate to me that my senses are always lying to me and can never be trusted. They pull out obvious optical illusions, sets of boxes and vases that look like people and cars that appear to be going uphill while in neutral and all kinds of wacky shit. I find it a wonder that REers are able to believe anything at all, considering that our senses are really our only way of interacting with the world around us, yet they seem to be believe they can't be trusted for anything.
I don't see where "the establishment" has anything to do with it. In fact, as I've explained previously, medicine is one of the rare arts that puts practical zeteticism into use on a consistent basis and if anything its practitioners' adherence to a discipline so strongly anti-NASA suggests that they are more friend than foe. I'm really just not sure I agree that NASA is part of "the establishment". Their influence has weakened a great deal over the years. Maybe at one time... but honestly, they are more like a novelty at this point than anything else (like a "Weird Al" song, or fake dog poo), and even at that they have gotten stale.
So medicine is the only or one of the very few professions that proceeds by inquiry?
You would have us believe that NASA simply crammed a cylinder full of explosive stuff, threw a couple of guys on top of it and aimed it at the moon hoping for the best?
And you would have us believe that NASA photographed a rock that looks exactly like a rodent on the surface of mars?
(http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/outthere/files/2013/06/Mars-rat.jpg)
Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)
I'll ask you the same question I asked Hoppy.
Did you see the part where I said the x-ray was for the doctors use? Did you misunderstand that part?
You would have us believe that NASA simply crammed a cylinder full of explosive stuff, threw a couple of guys on top of it and aimed it at the moon hoping for the best?
Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)
I'll ask you the same question I asked Hoppy.
Did you see the part where I said the x-ray was for the doctors use? Did you misunderstand that part?
I really don't see the relevance. I was referring specifically to the standard RE battle-cry that trusting our senses is nothing short of mind-numbingly stupid, at least on a level of mental retardation with Forrest Gump, maybe even I Am Sam, because they are always lying to us. I hope you understand better.You would have us believe that NASA simply crammed a cylinder full of explosive stuff, threw a couple of guys on top of it and aimed it at the moon hoping for the best?
Well... no... actually we believe the moon landing was a hoax. I thought like pretty much everybody understood that.
Well... no... actually we believe the moon landing was a hoax. I thought like pretty much everybody understood that.
Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)
I'll ask you the same question I asked Hoppy.
Did you see the part where I said the x-ray was for the doctors use? Did you misunderstand that part?
I really don't see the relevance. I was referring specifically to the standard RE battle-cry that trusting our senses is nothing short of mind-numbingly stupid, at least on a level of mental retardation with Forrest Gump, maybe even I Am Sam, because they are always lying to us. I hope you understand better.You would have us believe that NASA simply crammed a cylinder full of explosive stuff, threw a couple of guys on top of it and aimed it at the moon hoping for the best?
Well... no... actually we believe the moon landing was a hoax. I thought like pretty much everybody understood that.
You don't see the relevance between what I said and how you and hoppy tried to twist it to fit what you believe?
Where did I say anything about going to the doctor to get confirmation of a broken arm? Would you not go to the doctor if you had a broken arm to get it fixed or does your perception of a random person on the street telling you he is qualified to set the bone good enough for you to forego going to the doctor?
Come on, that's obviously not a rodent. Maybe if you squinted really hard at it, but otherwise, any normal person can see that it's just a rock. Don't be stupid.Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
We FEers have no reason to distrust the establishment either. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I don't know how many times REers have told me I'm foolish to believe the Earth is flat just because I perceive it to be flat. If pressed they often go to great lengths to demonstrate to me that my senses are always lying to me and can never be trusted. They pull out obvious optical illusions, sets of boxes and vases that look like people and cars that appear to be going uphill while in neutral and all kinds of wacky shit. I find it a wonder that REers are able to believe anything at all, considering that our senses are really our only way of interacting with the world around us, yet they seem to be believe they can't be trusted for anything.
I don't see where "the establishment" has anything to do with it. In fact, as I've explained previously, medicine is one of the rare arts that puts practical zeteticism into use on a consistent basis and if anything its practitioners' adherence to a discipline so strongly anti-NASA suggests that they are more friend than foe. I'm really just not sure I agree that NASA is part of "the establishment". Their influence has weakened a great deal over the years. Maybe at one time... but honestly, they are more like a novelty at this point than anything else (like a "Weird Al" song, or fake dog poo), and even at that they have gotten stale.
So medicine is the only or one of the very few professions that proceeds by inquiry?
You would have us believe that NASA simply crammed a cylinder full of explosive stuff, threw a couple of guys on top of it and aimed it at the moon hoping for the best?
And you would have us believe that NASA photographed a rock that looks exactly like a rodent on the surface of mars?
(http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/outthere/files/2013/06/Mars-rat.jpg)
Come on, that's obviously not a rodent. Maybe if you squinted really hard at it, but otherwise, any normal person can see that it's just a rock. Don't be stupid.Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
We FEers have no reason to distrust the establishment either. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I don't know how many times REers have told me I'm foolish to believe the Earth is flat just because I perceive it to be flat. If pressed they often go to great lengths to demonstrate to me that my senses are always lying to me and can never be trusted. They pull out obvious optical illusions, sets of boxes and vases that look like people and cars that appear to be going uphill while in neutral and all kinds of wacky shit. I find it a wonder that REers are able to believe anything at all, considering that our senses are really our only way of interacting with the world around us, yet they seem to be believe they can't be trusted for anything.
I don't see where "the establishment" has anything to do with it. In fact, as I've explained previously, medicine is one of the rare arts that puts practical zeteticism into use on a consistent basis and if anything its practitioners' adherence to a discipline so strongly anti-NASA suggests that they are more friend than foe. I'm really just not sure I agree that NASA is part of "the establishment". Their influence has weakened a great deal over the years. Maybe at one time... but honestly, they are more like a novelty at this point than anything else (like a "Weird Al" song, or fake dog poo), and even at that they have gotten stale.
So medicine is the only or one of the very few professions that proceeds by inquiry?
You would have us believe that NASA simply crammed a cylinder full of explosive stuff, threw a couple of guys on top of it and aimed it at the moon hoping for the best?
And you would have us believe that NASA photographed a rock that looks exactly like a rodent on the surface of mars?
(http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/outthere/files/2013/06/Mars-rat.jpg)
That's a fairly convincing rock. 10 out of 10 of the people I showed it to thought it was a rodent. It even has the black almond rodent eyes
(http://livrespensadores.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mars-rodent-orig-rover-composite1.jpg)
It's likely a prairie dog.
(http://kids.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/kids/photos/animals/Mammals/H-P/prairie-dog-eating.jpg.adapt.945.1.jpg)
Are you aware of the concept of "pareidolia?" It's when our brains look for and find patterns where none exist. Some examples of pareidolia are: constellations, the man on the moon, faces on toast, and your "rodent" on Mars (as well as all your evidence of a moon hoax, but that's beside the point). You may think the odds of finding a rock that looks like a prairie dog are pretty low. But, of all the rocks from all the images taken by all the rovers, the odds of finding one that bears a passing resemblance to an earth creature is very high. Hence why we have a rock that looks a little like a prairie dog from that angle if you squint.
There is the matter of the front legs. Seems I can see a shadow under the entire prairie dog. The only thing I can see that looks like a leg seems very, very short compared to the pictures I just looked at. It also seems more like being part of the cheek than a leg.
By the way I did this, because I got tired of seeing answer from FE's just basically saying because that is how it is. I actually researched and came up with locations that if it is a prairie dog where the picture could have been taken. I did not just say it looks like a rodent and 10 out of 10 people thought it was.
At least for me and I am sure others this is the kind of stuff we are talking about when we say evidence. It showed locations where prairie dogs live, places that and/or had limited vegetation, and pictures of those states that both prairie dogs lived and somewhat matched what we can see in the photo. I did not research any further to see if prairie dogs live in the areas the photos I posted.
I also assumed a prairie dog did not end up on an indoor set.
There is the matter of the front legs. Seems I can see a shadow under the entire prairie dog. The only thing I can see that looks like a leg seems very, very short compared to the pictures I just looked at. It also seems more like being part of the cheek than a leg.
Some species of Prairie Dog rodents have short legs.
(https://vettips.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/bs_prairie_dogs_162x118.jpg)QuoteBy the way I did this, because I got tired of seeing answer from FE's just basically saying because that is how it is. I actually researched and came up with locations that if it is a prairie dog where the picture could have been taken. I did not just say it looks like a rodent and 10 out of 10 people thought it was.
At least for me and I am sure others this is the kind of stuff we are talking about when we say evidence. It showed locations where prairie dogs live, places that and/or had limited vegetation, and pictures of those states that both prairie dogs lived and somewhat matched what we can see in the photo. I did not research any further to see if prairie dogs live in the areas the photos I posted.
I also assumed a prairie dog did not end up on an indoor set.
A picture of what many agree looks like a rodent is evidence of a rodent. Try not to claim that I provided "no evidence". Observational and experiential evidence is absolutely valid and meaningful evidence.
Observational and experiential evidence is absolutely valid and meaningful evidence.
Woody, you're losing it bro lol... Adding hella qualifiers to get out of the fact even you think it looks like a prarie dog.
Woody, you're losing it bro lol... Adding hella qualifiers to get out of the fact even you think it looks like a prarie dog.
Tom said 10 out of 10 people he showed the picture to thought it was a rodent. He used it to support his argument that NASA photographed a rodent. I pointed out reasons why the evidence is not as strong as he think it is.
If he showed the picture to people with out saying where it was taken or who took it and ask them to tell him what they see in the picture. He would have a stronger argument, since that method would help insure bias was not skewing the results.
It is why the scientific method includes an attempt to remove all factors that would introduce bias.
His argument is already shows it's weakness since not everyone is saying it is a rodent. Of course the views being expressed are biased as I pointed out in the post you responded to.
Woody, you're losing it bro lol... Adding hella qualifiers to get out of the fact even you think it looks like a prarie dog.
Tom said 10 out of 10 people he showed the picture to thought it was a rodent. He used it to support his argument that NASA photographed a rodent. I pointed out reasons why the evidence is not as strong as he think it is.
If he showed the picture to people with out saying where it was taken or who took it and ask them to tell him what they see in the picture. He would have a stronger argument, since that method would help insure bias was not skewing the results.
It is why the scientific method includes an attempt to remove all factors that would introduce bias.
His argument is already shows it's weakness since not everyone is saying it is a rodent. Of course the views being expressed are biased as I pointed out in the post you responded to.
If anything, your research made it even more obvious it could've been a rodent, even going as far as showing us pictures of different environments in America, that they could've faked the Mars rover, New Mexico being the most likely candidate.
Come on, that's obviously not a rodent. Maybe if you squinted really hard at it, but otherwise, any normal person can see that it's just a rock. Don't be stupid.Hoppy has a point. I imagine the typical REer isn't convinced something is wrong until the doctor has confirmed it for him with more evidence that something is wrong than the fact that his senses are telling him that he's in horrible pain and showing him that his arm is bent horribly wrong. After all our senses lie to us all the time and simply can't be trusted. ::)On the contrary, we REers have no reason to distrust the establishment, and we understand that our perception rarely conflicts with reality, but hardly ever shows the whole story from our scale. Why would you FEers believe the doctor? He's pointing out that your arm is obviously broken, but he could be trying to get your money for his own purposes, and is probably indoctrinated by the government. :P
We FEers have no reason to distrust the establishment either. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I don't know how many times REers have told me I'm foolish to believe the Earth is flat just because I perceive it to be flat. If pressed they often go to great lengths to demonstrate to me that my senses are always lying to me and can never be trusted. They pull out obvious optical illusions, sets of boxes and vases that look like people and cars that appear to be going uphill while in neutral and all kinds of wacky shit. I find it a wonder that REers are able to believe anything at all, considering that our senses are really our only way of interacting with the world around us, yet they seem to be believe they can't be trusted for anything.
I don't see where "the establishment" has anything to do with it. In fact, as I've explained previously, medicine is one of the rare arts that puts practical zeteticism into use on a consistent basis and if anything its practitioners' adherence to a discipline so strongly anti-NASA suggests that they are more friend than foe. I'm really just not sure I agree that NASA is part of "the establishment". Their influence has weakened a great deal over the years. Maybe at one time... but honestly, they are more like a novelty at this point than anything else (like a "Weird Al" song, or fake dog poo), and even at that they have gotten stale.
So medicine is the only or one of the very few professions that proceeds by inquiry?
You would have us believe that NASA simply crammed a cylinder full of explosive stuff, threw a couple of guys on top of it and aimed it at the moon hoping for the best?
And you would have us believe that NASA photographed a rock that looks exactly like a rodent on the surface of mars?
(http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/outthere/files/2013/06/Mars-rat.jpg)
That's a fairly convincing rock. 10 out of 10 of the people I showed it to thought it was a rodent. It even has the black almond rodent eyes
(http://livrespensadores.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mars-rodent-orig-rover-composite1.jpg)
It's likely a prairie dog.
(http://kids.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/kids/photos/animals/Mammals/H-P/prairie-dog-eating.jpg.adapt.945.1.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVyVVi6_WB4
I guess those particular rocks must've crawled away
I don't see a fish anywhere Dawg... and are you on that level now? Asking for a source of information on whether that was a prairie dog? I understand you're frustrated for whatever reason with probably some of the exchanges you've had here, but looks like you're being extra petty now lol