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Title: Civilians in Space
Post by: Airplane on September 16, 2021, 02:10:23 PM
If you follow any space news you will have heard about SpaceX's Inspiration4 mission by now. This mission is particularly interesting for a few reasons: The capsule is crewed entirely by civilians, it's flying higher than the ISS and every other mission since Hubble, and the crew will be at that altitude for three days straight.

SpaceX has been sharing photos and videos from the flight this morning, suffice to say the curvature of the earth is clearly visible.

Netflix also has a documentary about the events leading up to this flight. https://www.netflix.com/title/81441273

As spaceflight costs come down and these commercial flights become more commonplace, it's increasing important for the flat earth community to have a clear rebuttal to this type of evidence.


https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1438359359898066944?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_YaKhWXMAE69fB?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_YaKhWWUAMgvjq?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 16, 2021, 03:51:29 PM
If you follow any space news you will have heard about SpaceX's Inspiration4 mission by now. This mission is particularly interesting for a few reasons: The capsule is crewed entirely by civilians, it's flying higher than the ISS and every other mission since Hubble, and the crew will be at that altitude for three days straight.

SpaceX has been sharing photos and videos from the flight this morning, suffice to say the curvature of the earth is clearly visible.

Netflix also has a documentary about the events leading up to this flight. https://www.netflix.com/title/81441273

As spaceflight costs come down and these commercial flights become more commonplace, it's increasing important for the flat earth community to have a clear rebuttal to this type of evidence.


https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1438359359898066944?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_YaKhWXMAE69fB?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_YaKhWWUAMgvjq?format=jpg&name=large)
BWHAHAHA!!!

You're actually gonna try and tell us these photos were taken in space?

That is absolutely hilarious!!!
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Airplane on September 16, 2021, 04:20:15 PM
If you follow any space news you will have heard about SpaceX's Inspiration4 mission by now. This mission is particularly interesting for a few reasons: The capsule is crewed entirely by civilians, it's flying higher than the ISS and every other mission since Hubble, and the crew will be at that altitude for three days straight.

SpaceX has been sharing photos and videos from the flight this morning, suffice to say the curvature of the earth is clearly visible.

Netflix also has a documentary about the events leading up to this flight. https://www.netflix.com/title/81441273

As spaceflight costs come down and these commercial flights become more commonplace, it's increasing important for the flat earth community to have a clear rebuttal to this type of evidence.


https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1438359359898066944?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_YaKhWXMAE69fB?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_YaKhWWUAMgvjq?format=jpg&name=large)
BWHAHAHA!!!

You're actually gonna try and tell us these photos were taken in space?

That is absolutely hilarious!!!

I went back and found a source for the photos, looks like they were used as promotional material prior to launch. Good eye.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 16, 2021, 05:01:34 PM
Yeah, don't worry.

The other shots they took will be quickly pawned as purportedly "LIVE FOOTAGE!!!" very soon!
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 16, 2021, 09:14:28 PM
Yeah, don't worry.

The other shots they took will be quickly pawned as purportedly "LIVE FOOTAGE!!!" very soon!


Just to challenge you on the notion that the Inspiration 4 civilian crew mission did not go to space, what empirical evidence and/or research have you done to confirm other than declaring that it's fake?

I've attached a link to an additional video of the crew mission taken from the view of the Cupola showing the Globe Earth. What evidence do you have that this is fake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PiSWwon2kI
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 17, 2021, 11:57:30 AM
Yeah, don't worry.

The other shots they took will be quickly pawned as purportedly "LIVE FOOTAGE!!!" very soon!


Just to challenge you on the notion that the Inspiration 4 civilian crew mission did not go to space, what empirical evidence and/or research have you done to confirm other than declaring that it's fake?

I've attached a link to an additional video of the crew mission taken from the view of the Cupola showing the Globe Earth. What evidence do you have that this is fake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PiSWwon2kI
Why would I want to discuss your strawman propositions?

What crew mission?

Do you even watch your own submissions?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: DuncanDoenitz on September 17, 2021, 12:51:21 PM
Playing devil's advocate, and with respect to all correspondents, all we have seen so far from this mission is just more stills and video, with all their attendant fallibilities (true and/or claimed).  The unique proof in this particular pudding is going to be the 4, unpaid, independent witnesses of what they saw through an undistorted window.  Could they all be actors?  I'm not convinced that a multi-billionaire is really going be swayed by Screen Actors Guild rates. 

And Lackie; hundreds of live witnesses watched this lift-off.  Where do you think the capsule and crew are at the moment?  Kubrick's back yard?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 17, 2021, 01:36:38 PM
Yeah, don't worry.

The other shots they took will be quickly pawned as purportedly "LIVE FOOTAGE!!!" very soon!


Just to challenge you on the notion that the Inspiration 4 civilian crew mission did not go to space, what empirical evidence and/or research have you done to confirm other than declaring that it's fake?

I've attached a link to an additional video of the crew mission taken from the view of the Cupola showing the Globe Earth. What evidence do you have that this is fake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PiSWwon2kI
Why would I want to discuss your strawman propositions?

What crew mission?

Do you even watch your own submissions?


If there isn't direct evidence that the mission is fake OR if there has been no research done to demonstrate and prove that the mission is fake than there isn't any foundation for knowledge that the mission is fake.

The assertion that it was fake is then based on a Belief vs. having knowledge, which goes against the Zetetic approach.

- There is direct evidence that a rocket launched as people witnessed and can report back that a launch occurred.
- There is evidence that the rocket is at a certain altitude above Earth's atmosphere and moving at a velocity of about 17,500 MPH via telemetry data.
- There is continuous feed video link feedback from the Inspiration 4 capsule showing Earth curvature, which would indicate the Earth is shaped like a Sphere.
- There is video from within the capsule showing objects floating, which would suggest weightlessness.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 17, 2021, 03:10:00 PM
Playing devil's advocate, and with respect to all correspondents, all we have seen so far from this mission is just more stills and video, with all their attendant fallibilities (true and/or claimed).  The unique proof in this particular pudding is going to be the 4, unpaid, independent witnesses of what they saw through an undistorted window.  Could they all be actors?  I'm not convinced that a multi-billionaire is really going be swayed by Screen Actors Guild rates. 

And Lackie; hundreds of live witnesses watched this lift-off.  Where do you think the capsule and crew are at the moment?  Kubrick's back yard?
If there isn't direct evidence that the mission is fake OR if there has been no research done to demonstrate and prove that the mission is fake than there isn't any foundation for knowledge that the mission is fake.

The assertion that it was fake is then based on a Belief vs. having knowledge, which goes against the Zetetic approach.

- There is direct evidence that a rocket launched as people witnessed and can report back that a launch occurred.
- There is evidence that the rocket is at a certain altitude above Earth's atmosphere and moving at a velocity of about 17,500 MPH via telemetry data.
- There is continuous feed video link feedback from the Inspiration 4 capsule showing Earth curvature, which would indicate the Earth is shaped like a Sphere.
- There is video from within the capsule showing objects floating, which would suggest weightlessness.
Again, the OP posted photos of "the view" prior to the mission taking place.

Not a huge leap to distrust every other shot following as already having been done with no need for "space."

Even the follow up vid was shot here on earth.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 17, 2021, 03:58:32 PM
Playing devil's advocate, and with respect to all correspondents, all we have seen so far from this mission is just more stills and video, with all their attendant fallibilities (true and/or claimed).  The unique proof in this particular pudding is going to be the 4, unpaid, independent witnesses of what they saw through an undistorted window.  Could they all be actors?  I'm not convinced that a multi-billionaire is really going be swayed by Screen Actors Guild rates. 

And Lackie; hundreds of live witnesses watched this lift-off.  Where do you think the capsule and crew are at the moment?  Kubrick's back yard?
If there isn't direct evidence that the mission is fake OR if there has been no research done to demonstrate and prove that the mission is fake than there isn't any foundation for knowledge that the mission is fake.

The assertion that it was fake is then based on a Belief vs. having knowledge, which goes against the Zetetic approach.

- There is direct evidence that a rocket launched as people witnessed and can report back that a launch occurred.
- There is evidence that the rocket is at a certain altitude above Earth's atmosphere and moving at a velocity of about 17,500 MPH via telemetry data.
- There is continuous feed video link feedback from the Inspiration 4 capsule showing Earth curvature, which would indicate the Earth is shaped like a Sphere.
- There is video from within the capsule showing objects floating, which would suggest weightlessness.
Again, the OP posted photos of "the view" prior to the mission taking place.

Not a huge leap to distrust every other shot following as already having been done with no need for "space."

Even the follow up vid was shot here on earth.


As per the OP, those were promotional materials regarding the first all civilian crew to go to space.

Publishing promotional materials doesn't mean the mission is fake and therefore the Earth is flat.

Auto companies publish promotional materials on new cars they are to launch. The fact that they are publishing promotional materials doesn't mean that the cars are fake and that there is a land travel conspiracy.

Again, what observational evidence do you have that the mission was faked and that they are not in space?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 17, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
Playing devil's advocate, and with respect to all correspondents, all we have seen so far from this mission is just more stills and video, with all their attendant fallibilities (true and/or claimed).  The unique proof in this particular pudding is going to be the 4, unpaid, independent witnesses of what they saw through an undistorted window.  Could they all be actors?  I'm not convinced that a multi-billionaire is really going be swayed by Screen Actors Guild rates. 

And Lackie; hundreds of live witnesses watched this lift-off.  Where do you think the capsule and crew are at the moment?  Kubrick's back yard?
If there isn't direct evidence that the mission is fake OR if there has been no research done to demonstrate and prove that the mission is fake than there isn't any foundation for knowledge that the mission is fake.

The assertion that it was fake is then based on a Belief vs. having knowledge, which goes against the Zetetic approach.

- There is direct evidence that a rocket launched as people witnessed and can report back that a launch occurred.
- There is evidence that the rocket is at a certain altitude above Earth's atmosphere and moving at a velocity of about 17,500 MPH via telemetry data.
- There is continuous feed video link feedback from the Inspiration 4 capsule showing Earth curvature, which would indicate the Earth is shaped like a Sphere.
- There is video from within the capsule showing objects floating, which would suggest weightlessness.
Again, the OP posted photos of "the view" prior to the mission taking place.

Not a huge leap to distrust every other shot following as already having been done with no need for "space."

Even the follow up vid was shot here on earth.


As per the OP, those were promotional materials regarding the first all civilian crew to go to space.

Publishing promotional materials doesn't mean the mission is fake and therefore the Earth is flat.

Auto companies publish promotional materials on new cars they are to launch. The fact that they are publishing promotional materials doesn't mean that the cars are fake and that there is a land travel conspiracy.

Again, what observational evidence do you have that the mission was faked and that they are not in space?
One more time:

I've attached a link to an additional video of the crew mission taken from the view of the Cupola showing the Globe Earth. What evidence do you have that this is fake?
The evidence is this is not a link to a video of the crew mission.

Your disingenuity, strawmanning, and gaslighting are too much.

Don't you have some other pressing, urgent business to attend to?

You're not handling things very well here.

I mean, you not only present promotional material as actual footage of the "crew mission," you don't even read what you type.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 17, 2021, 05:49:30 PM
Playing devil's advocate, and with respect to all correspondents, all we have seen so far from this mission is just more stills and video, with all their attendant fallibilities (true and/or claimed).  The unique proof in this particular pudding is going to be the 4, unpaid, independent witnesses of what they saw through an undistorted window.  Could they all be actors?  I'm not convinced that a multi-billionaire is really going be swayed by Screen Actors Guild rates. 

And Lackie; hundreds of live witnesses watched this lift-off.  Where do you think the capsule and crew are at the moment?  Kubrick's back yard?
If there isn't direct evidence that the mission is fake OR if there has been no research done to demonstrate and prove that the mission is fake than there isn't any foundation for knowledge that the mission is fake.

The assertion that it was fake is then based on a Belief vs. having knowledge, which goes against the Zetetic approach.

- There is direct evidence that a rocket launched as people witnessed and can report back that a launch occurred.
- There is evidence that the rocket is at a certain altitude above Earth's atmosphere and moving at a velocity of about 17,500 MPH via telemetry data.
- There is continuous feed video link feedback from the Inspiration 4 capsule showing Earth curvature, which would indicate the Earth is shaped like a Sphere.
- There is video from within the capsule showing objects floating, which would suggest weightlessness.
Again, the OP posted photos of "the view" prior to the mission taking place.

Not a huge leap to distrust every other shot following as already having been done with no need for "space."

Even the follow up vid was shot here on earth.


As per the OP, those were promotional materials regarding the first all civilian crew to go to space.

Publishing promotional materials doesn't mean the mission is fake and therefore the Earth is flat.

Auto companies publish promotional materials on new cars they are to launch. The fact that they are publishing promotional materials doesn't mean that the cars are fake and that there is a land travel conspiracy.

Again, what observational evidence do you have that the mission was faked and that they are not in space?
One more time:

I've attached a link to an additional video of the crew mission taken from the view of the Cupola showing the Globe Earth. What evidence do you have that this is fake?
The evidence is this is not a link to a video of the crew mission.

Your disingenuity, strawmanning, and gaslighting are too much.

Don't you have some other pressing, urgent business to attend to?

You're not handling things very well here.

I mean, you not only present promotional material as actual footage of the "crew mission," you don't even read what you type.


I would disagree that my critical thought questions back to you is any form of gaslighting and being disengenuous and I think you know it isn't as well.

You and I both entered into this thread. You started by saying Baaawww it's fake.

I am merely asking a basic critical thought question in reply to your response to the OP which is what observational evidence or research can you provide to show that it was all faked?

Promotional materials don't equate to something being fake, although I understand it can be tempting to use as a basis for arguing for a conspiracy. I am just challenging you to provide evidence and research findings for fakery occurring.

The video that I provided included views from the Cupola back to Earth and views of a Cupola on the ISS back to Earth with curvature.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 17, 2021, 06:11:40 PM
I would disagree that my critical thought questions back to you is any form of gaslighting and being disengenuous and I think you know it isn't as well.
As usual, you are wrong and I am right.
You and I both entered into this thread. You started by saying Baaawww it's fake.
Wrong, as in here^

Please point out in my initial post where I claimed anything was fake.

If you cannot, apologize for lying.
I am merely asking a basic critical thought question in reply to your response to the OP which is what observational evidence or research can you provide to show that it was all faked?
I never claimed it was all fake.

That is an instance of you strawmanning and gaslighting.
Promotional materials don't equate to something being fake, although I understand it can be tempting to use as a basis for arguing for a conspiracy. I am just challenging you to provide evidence and research findings for fakery occurring.

The video that I provided included views from the Cupola back to Earth and views of a Cupola on the ISS back to Earth with curvature.
The video you provided was not from the SpaceX mission.

More posted lies.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 17, 2021, 06:28:04 PM
I would disagree that my critical thought questions back to you is any form of gaslighting and being disengenuous and I think you know it isn't as well.
As usual, you are wrong and I am right.
You and I both entered into this thread. You started by saying Baaawww it's fake.
Wrong, as in here^

Please point out in my initial post where I claimed anything was fake.

If you cannot, apologize for lying.
I am merely asking a basic critical thought question in reply to your response to the OP which is what observational evidence or research can you provide to show that it was all faked?
I never claimed it was all fake.

That is an instance of you strawmanning and gaslighting.
Promotional materials don't equate to something being fake, although I understand it can be tempting to use as a basis for arguing for a conspiracy. I am just challenging you to provide evidence and research findings for fakery occurring.

The video that I provided included views from the Cupola back to Earth and views of a Cupola on the ISS back to Earth with curvature.
The video you provided was not from the SpaceX mission.

More posted lies.


"What Crew Mission" was a comment you had posted earlier within this thread.

I can only gather from your comment that you were implying that the crew mission that went to space never happened.

Which is prompting my question back to you: what observation evidence / research can you provide that shows that when the Inspiration 4 crew rocket launched, that the Mission did not exist.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 17, 2021, 06:47:11 PM
"What Crew Mission" was a comment you had posted earlier within this thread.
In response to the promotional photos being passed off as crew mission photos by the OP.
I can only gather from your comment that you were implying that the crew mission that went to space never happened.
I keep trying to encourage you to either improve your gathering skills or remain off the board.

Cause neither one is working.
Which is prompting my question back to you: what observation evidence / research can you provide that shows that when the Inspiration 4 crew rocket launched, that the Mission did not exist.
Which prompt my response back to you.

Quit strawmanning and gaslighting.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Airplane on September 17, 2021, 07:22:24 PM
"What Crew Mission" was a comment you had posted earlier within this thread.
In response to the promotional photos being passed off as crew mission photos by the OP.
I can only gather from your comment that you were implying that the crew mission that went to space never happened.
I keep trying to encourage you to either improve your gathering skills or remain off the board.

Cause neither one is working.
Which is prompting my question back to you: what observation evidence / research can you provide that shows that when the Inspiration 4 crew rocket launched, that the Mission did not exist.
Which prompt my response back to you.

Quit strawmanning and gaslighting.

Just to be clear I wasn't intentionally trying to pass the promotional materials off as real, also to the best of my knowledge neither has SpaceX. When looking for photos from the mission I found those first and mistook them for mission photos. It was an honest mistake and I would like for it to not derail the discussion.

There are plenty of mission photos posted by SpaceX now. It would be much more interesting to discuss those photos rather than focus on my initial mistake.

https://twitter.com/inspiration4x/status/1438716982564696065?s=20
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: DuncanDoenitz on September 17, 2021, 10:44:30 PM
@A80; Airplane has conceded that his initial posts were just studio publicity material. 

Do you want to address the actual issue here, or just continue with the bayonet practice on his straw man. 

I've just watched the video and I'm curious to know how you think they faked this.  Remember, this isn't NASA.  Shoot, it isn't even SpaceX; its a billionaire and 3 guests who've Uber-ed a Crew Dragon.  Its a Lad's Amsterdam-Weekend.  Only its in space. 
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Airplane on September 18, 2021, 04:47:34 PM
Here's another video, this one a 10 minute live stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xnBajP0Kus
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 18, 2021, 07:20:15 PM
@A80; Airplane has conceded that his initial posts were just studio publicity material. 

Do you want to address the actual issue here, or just continue with the bayonet practice on his straw man. 

I've just watched the video and I'm curious to know how you think they faked this.  Remember, this isn't NASA.  Shoot, it isn't even SpaceX; its a billionaire and 3 guests who've Uber-ed a Crew Dragon.  Its a Lad's Amsterdam-Weekend.  Only its in space.
I already stated that any and all photo and video shots were done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 18, 2021, 10:30:23 PM
@A80; Airplane has conceded that his initial posts were just studio publicity material. 

Do you want to address the actual issue here, or just continue with the bayonet practice on his straw man. 

I've just watched the video and I'm curious to know how you think they faked this.  Remember, this isn't NASA.  Shoot, it isn't even SpaceX; its a billionaire and 3 guests who've Uber-ed a Crew Dragon.  Its a Lad's Amsterdam-Weekend.  Only its in space.
I already stated that any and all photo and video shots were done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day.


1. What evidence and research are you able to provide that proves and demonstrates that the above 10-minute video stream taking place from the orbiting in space Inspiration 4 capsule was actually done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day?

2. How do you believe they pulled off the appearance that they are weightless in space, including the female crew members long hair appearing to look like it's in a weightless environment, as well as a stuffed animal aboard the capsule appearing weightless as well? Do you have evidence and research that shows how they pulled this off?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 19, 2021, 02:02:31 PM
@A80; Airplane has conceded that his initial posts were just studio publicity material. 

Do you want to address the actual issue here, or just continue with the bayonet practice on his straw man. 

I've just watched the video and I'm curious to know how you think they faked this.  Remember, this isn't NASA.  Shoot, it isn't even SpaceX; its a billionaire and 3 guests who've Uber-ed a Crew Dragon.  Its a Lad's Amsterdam-Weekend.  Only its in space.
I already stated that any and all photo and video shots were done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day.


1. What evidence and research are you able to provide that proves and demonstrates that the above 10-minute video stream taking place from the orbiting in space Inspiration 4 capsule was actually done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day?

2. How do you believe they pulled off the appearance that they are weightless in space, including the female crew members long hair appearing to look like it's in a weightless environment, as well as a stuffed animal aboard the capsule appearing weightless as well? Do you have evidence and research that shows how they pulled this off?
Asked and answered.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 19, 2021, 06:20:11 PM
@A80; Airplane has conceded that his initial posts were just studio publicity material. 

Do you want to address the actual issue here, or just continue with the bayonet practice on his straw man. 

I've just watched the video and I'm curious to know how you think they faked this.  Remember, this isn't NASA.  Shoot, it isn't even SpaceX; its a billionaire and 3 guests who've Uber-ed a Crew Dragon.  Its a Lad's Amsterdam-Weekend.  Only its in space.
I already stated that any and all photo and video shots were done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day.


1. What evidence and research are you able to provide that proves and demonstrates that the above 10-minute video stream taking place from the orbiting in space Inspiration 4 capsule was actually done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day?

2. How do you believe they pulled off the appearance that they are weightless in space, including the female crew members long hair appearing to look like it's in a weightless environment, as well as a stuffed animal aboard the capsule appearing weightless as well? Do you have evidence and research that shows how they pulled this off?
Asked and answered.


Evidence that the live video stream taking place from the orbiting in space Inspiration 4 capsule was actually done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day?

How do you believe they pulled off the appearance that they are weightless in space, including the female crew members long hair appearing to look like it's in a weightless environment, as well as a stuffed animal aboard the capsule appearing weightless as well? Do you have evidence and research that shows how they pulled this off?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 19, 2021, 08:44:35 PM
Evidence that the live video stream taking place from the orbiting in space Inspiration 4 capsule was actually done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day?

How do you believe they pulled off the appearance that they are weightless in space, including the female crew members long hair appearing to look like it's in a weightless environment, as well as a stuffed animal aboard the capsule appearing weightless as well? Do you have evidence and research that shows how they pulled this off?
You posted a video taking place prior to launch demonstrating just what you ask for.

The movie "Gravity," is another example.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 19, 2021, 11:58:50 PM
Evidence that the live video stream taking place from the orbiting in space Inspiration 4 capsule was actually done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day?

How do you believe they pulled off the appearance that they are weightless in space, including the female crew members long hair appearing to look like it's in a weightless environment, as well as a stuffed animal aboard the capsule appearing weightless as well? Do you have evidence and research that shows how they pulled this off?
You posted a video taking place prior to launch demonstrating just what you ask for.

The movie "Gravity," is another example.


I am referring to the recent 10 minute live video feed that Airplane recently posted further down the thread chain. You may have missed it.

It's a video feed of the Inspiration4 crew from space where the crew is answering questions from St. Jude Cancer patients.

The crew is weightless and so the question to you is around how they faked this weightlessness from space if you don't believe the video to be the crew from space.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 20, 2021, 10:02:41 AM
Evidence that the live video stream taking place from the orbiting in space Inspiration 4 capsule was actually done prior to all the sparkly fireworks taking place on launch day?

How do you believe they pulled off the appearance that they are weightless in space, including the female crew members long hair appearing to look like it's in a weightless environment, as well as a stuffed animal aboard the capsule appearing weightless as well? Do you have evidence and research that shows how they pulled this off?
You posted a video taking place prior to launch demonstrating just what you ask for.

The movie "Gravity," is another example.


I am referring to the recent 10 minute live video feed that Airplane recently posted further down the thread chain. You may have missed it.

It's a video feed of the Inspiration4 crew from space where the crew is answering questions from St. Jude Cancer patients.

The crew is weightless and so the question to you is around how they faked this weightlessness from space if you don't believe the video to be the crew from space.
And I answered that question already.

If they can post a preflight video of weightlessness, then they could have shot more videos preflight than were released preflight.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: SteelyBob on September 20, 2021, 11:41:35 AM

And I answered that question already.

If they can post a preflight video of weightlessness, then they could have shot more videos preflight than were released preflight.

But that wasn’t just a video, was it? It was an interactive discussion between various people on earth and the crew. So to fake that, you would either need to recruit all of those people as well, including the seriously ill children in the hospital, or you would need to do the discussion, with the associated CGI trickery, in real-time. Given the complexity of what you are seeing in the video - note the puffed faces of the crew due to the 0g environment, along with the floating long hair of the inverted female, as well as the floating stuffed toy - this is hardly credible.

It’s worth emphasising again that these are people who have either funded the mission themselves or who have been selected for the mission for some particular reason - they aren’t space people. They don’t work for NASA, SpaceX, or any other space organisation.

Where is their incentive for all this? They presumably believed the journey to be real before they went on it, and now they are somehow in on the scam? Why?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 20, 2021, 01:58:49 PM

And I answered that question already.

If they can post a preflight video of weightlessness, then they could have shot more videos preflight than were released preflight.

But that wasn’t just a video, was it? It was an interactive discussion between various people on earth and the crew. So to fake that, you would either need to recruit all of those people as well, including the seriously ill children in the hospital, or you would need to do the discussion, with the associated CGI trickery, in real-time. Given the complexity of what you are seeing in the video - note the puffed faces of the crew due to the 0g environment, along with the floating long hair of the inverted female, as well as the floating stuffed toy - this is hardly credible.

It’s worth emphasising again that these are people who have either funded the mission themselves or who have been selected for the mission for some particular reason - they aren’t space people. They don’t work for NASA, SpaceX, or any other space organisation.

Where is their incentive for all this? They presumably believed the journey to be real before they went on it, and now they are somehow in on the scam? Why?
Yes, it was a video.

Lots of videos have interactive discussions with persons located at diverse locations.

I am sure you would believe it if someone told you, "Stand by to talk to some space people!"

And then you talk away for minutes.

And then you can authoritatively report what exactly?

That you most definitely talked with space people or that you held a conversation with people that were represented to you as having been in space at the time of the conversation?

Oh yeah, CGI is suddenly impossible according to you.

Your position (along with cashew and the OP) is the one that is untenable.

Posting preflight vid and pics, trying to pass it off as post launch, then gaslighting, then strawmanning.

WEAK!
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 20, 2021, 05:08:54 PM

And I answered that question already.

If they can post a preflight video of weightlessness, then they could have shot more videos preflight than were released preflight.

But that wasn’t just a video, was it? It was an interactive discussion between various people on earth and the crew. So to fake that, you would either need to recruit all of those people as well, including the seriously ill children in the hospital, or you would need to do the discussion, with the associated CGI trickery, in real-time. Given the complexity of what you are seeing in the video - note the puffed faces of the crew due to the 0g environment, along with the floating long hair of the inverted female, as well as the floating stuffed toy - this is hardly credible.

It’s worth emphasising again that these are people who have either funded the mission themselves or who have been selected for the mission for some particular reason - they aren’t space people. They don’t work for NASA, SpaceX, or any other space organisation.

Where is their incentive for all this? They presumably believed the journey to be real before they went on it, and now they are somehow in on the scam? Why?
Yes, it was a video.

Lots of videos have interactive discussions with persons located at diverse locations.

I am sure you would believe it if someone told you, "Stand by to talk to some space people!"

And then you talk away for minutes.

And then you can authoritatively report what exactly?

That you most definitely talked with space people or that you held a conversation with people that were represented to you as having been in space at the time of the conversation?

Oh yeah, CGI is suddenly impossible according to you.

Your position (along with cashew and the OP) is the one that is untenable.

Posting preflight vid and pics, trying to pass it off as post launch, then gaslighting, then strawmanning.

WEAK!


But, what EVIDENCE do you have that suggests that the live feed interactive video did not occur from space?

I think the challenge back to you is that rather than making broad sweeping declarations, what specific evidence can you provide? Making declarations based on what you believe or think is occurring isn't evidence.

The other question is how is the illusion occurring or being pulled off that makes the crew from the live video feed appear they are weightless in space? The crew woman that appears weightless has long hair that appears to be in a weightless environment. Do you believe she is wearing a wig? Do you believe there are thousands of thin wires attached to each of her hair strands and being pulled upon by someone off camera to make it look like her hair is weightless? Are they in a Vomet Comet? Is the stuffed animal attached to strings? Please tell us how you think this weightlessness is being simulated and the evidence that goes with it.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: SteelyBob on September 20, 2021, 05:10:58 PM

And I answered that question already.

If they can post a preflight video of weightlessness, then they could have shot more videos preflight than were released preflight.

But that wasn’t just a video, was it? It was an interactive discussion between various people on earth and the crew. So to fake that, you would either need to recruit all of those people as well, including the seriously ill children in the hospital, or you would need to do the discussion, with the associated CGI trickery, in real-time. Given the complexity of what you are seeing in the video - note the puffed faces of the crew due to the 0g environment, along with the floating long hair of the inverted female, as well as the floating stuffed toy - this is hardly credible.

It’s worth emphasising again that these are people who have either funded the mission themselves or who have been selected for the mission for some particular reason - they aren’t space people. They don’t work for NASA, SpaceX, or any other space organisation.

Where is their incentive for all this? They presumably believed the journey to be real before they went on it, and now they are somehow in on the scam? Why?
Yes, it was a video.

Lots of videos have interactive discussions with persons located at diverse locations.

I am sure you would believe it if someone told you, "Stand by to talk to some space people!"

And then you talk away for minutes.

And then you can authoritatively report what exactly?

That you most definitely talked with space people or that you held a conversation with people that were represented to you as having been in space at the time of the conversation?

Oh yeah, CGI is suddenly impossible according to you.

Your position (along with cashew and the OP) is the one that is untenable.

Posting preflight vid and pics, trying to pass it off as post launch, then gaslighting, then strawmanning.

WEAK!

I’m quite sure you could, with modern CGI and other trickery, make a pretty convincing video. As you say, Gravity is a great example.

But it’s not happening in real time, is it? Those kids at the hospital are engaging with the crew, via video link, in real time…unless they are all in on it, which seems unlikely enough to be ridiculous. Remember as well that one of the crew is both a former patient and now member of staff at the same hospital the kids are at, so she isn’t a random space person - she can’t just be some random actor or evil NASA / SpaceX employee.

So if that’s not the case, then the video can’t have been pre-recorded - it has to be happening at the time they claim. Which means everything has to be done live. Using people who have absolutely no incentive to join the conspiracy. It’s a completely absurd argument, from both a technical perspective and a human one. You can make all the claims you like, and you can even resort to all caps shouting if you wish, but it doesn’t make your argument any more credible.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: scomato on September 20, 2021, 06:33:16 PM
There is no more proof that humans flew on this SpaceX flight than there is any evidence supporting the concept of humans travelling via airplane.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 20, 2021, 06:57:29 PM
But, what EVIDENCE do you have that suggests that the live feed interactive video did not occur from space?
I am now thoroughly convinced of your inability to read.

How many times do I need to answer this question?
I think the challenge back to you is that rather than making broad sweeping declarations, what specific evidence can you provide?
Asked and answered.
Making declarations based on what you believe or think is occurring isn't evidence.
Citing what you have provided, along with what the OP has provided, is not a statement of belief or what I think.

It is what you provided.
The other question is how is the illusion occurring or being pulled off that makes the crew from the live video feed appear they are weightless in space? The crew woman that appears weightless has long hair that appears to be in a weightless environment. Do you believe she is wearing a wig? Do you believe there are thousands of thin wires attached to each of her hair strands and being pulled upon by someone off camera to make it look like her hair is weightless? Are they in a Vomet Comet? Is the stuffed animal attached to strings? Please tell us how you think this weightlessness is being simulated and the evidence that goes with it.
The same way weightlessness is simulated in movies, via CGI and other effects.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 20, 2021, 07:04:43 PM

And I answered that question already.

If they can post a preflight video of weightlessness, then they could have shot more videos preflight than were released preflight.

But that wasn’t just a video, was it? It was an interactive discussion between various people on earth and the crew. So to fake that, you would either need to recruit all of those people as well, including the seriously ill children in the hospital, or you would need to do the discussion, with the associated CGI trickery, in real-time. Given the complexity of what you are seeing in the video - note the puffed faces of the crew due to the 0g environment, along with the floating long hair of the inverted female, as well as the floating stuffed toy - this is hardly credible.

It’s worth emphasising again that these are people who have either funded the mission themselves or who have been selected for the mission for some particular reason - they aren’t space people. They don’t work for NASA, SpaceX, or any other space organisation.

Where is their incentive for all this? They presumably believed the journey to be real before they went on it, and now they are somehow in on the scam? Why?
Yes, it was a video.

Lots of videos have interactive discussions with persons located at diverse locations.

I am sure you would believe it if someone told you, "Stand by to talk to some space people!"

And then you talk away for minutes.

And then you can authoritatively report what exactly?

That you most definitely talked with space people or that you held a conversation with people that were represented to you as having been in space at the time of the conversation?

Oh yeah, CGI is suddenly impossible according to you.

Your position (along with cashew and the OP) is the one that is untenable.

Posting preflight vid and pics, trying to pass it off as post launch, then gaslighting, then strawmanning.

WEAK!

I’m quite sure you could, with modern CGI and other trickery, make a pretty convincing video. As you say, Gravity is a great example.

But it’s not happening in real time, is it?
Jimmy makes an announcement - "This is gonna be in real-time, Johnny! Watch!"
Johnny watchjes, sees what he saw, remembers what Jimmy said, and is now going to repeat that to everyone within earshot!
Those kids at the hospital are engaging with the crew, via video link, in real time…unless they are all in on it, which seems unlikely enough to be ridiculous. Remember as well that one of the crew is both a former patient and now member of staff at the same hospital the kids are at, so she isn’t a random space person - she can’t just be some random actor or evil NASA / SpaceX employee.
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.
So if that’s not the case, then the video can’t have been pre-recorded - it has to be happening at the time they claim. Which means everything has to be done live. Using people who have absolutely no incentive to join the conspiracy. It’s a completely absurd argument, from both a technical perspective and a human one. You can make all the claims you like, and you can even resort to all caps shouting if you wish, but it doesn’t make your argument any more credible.
They did a LIVE SHOOT OF THE PRE-VIDEO!

They can do a LIVE SHOOT and broadcast it then or broadcast it later!

Makes no freaking difference.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: stack on September 20, 2021, 07:18:13 PM
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Wy can't they be in space? Because you say so?

Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

What video was that? I haven't seen any video of them in space prior to them being in space. Please post or point to what you're referring to. Or are you just making this up?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: SteelyBob on September 20, 2021, 07:39:53 PM

Jimmy makes an announcement - "This is gonna be in real-time, Johnny! Watch!"
Johnny watchjes, sees what he saw, remembers what Jimmy said, and is now going to repeat that to everyone within earshot!


That makes no sense whatsoever I’m afraid. What are you asserting happened? Bear in kind the kids in hospital were talking to the crew, and the crew were responding to their questions.

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Those kids at the hospital are engaging with the crew, via video link, in real time…unless they are all in on it, which seems unlikely enough to be ridiculous. Remember as well that one of the crew is both a former patient and now member of staff at the same hospital the kids are at, so she isn’t a random space person - she can’t just be some random actor or evil NASA / SpaceX employee.
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

Sorry, but I haven’t seen that video. Which one are you talking about, exactly? The only video I’ve seen of the crew that look like they’re in 0g is the footage of them in the vomet comet, but of course that couldn’t be used for this as the duration of each run is very short.

Which video, with all the hair behaviour etc, are you talking about?

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So if that’s not the case, then the video can’t have been pre-recorded - it has to be happening at the time they claim. Which means everything has to be done live. Using people who have absolutely no incentive to join the conspiracy. It’s a completely absurd argument, from both a technical perspective and a human one. You can make all the claims you like, and you can even resort to all caps shouting if you wish, but it doesn’t make your argument any more credible.
They did a LIVE SHOOT OF THE PRE-VIDEO!

They can do a LIVE SHOOT and broadcast it then or broadcast it later!

Makes no freaking difference.

It makes a massive difference. Because if the video was pre-recorded, then all the kids, doctors, nurses and parents would know that it’s not live, despite it purporting to be live, and that something wasn’t right.

So it has to be done live, in real time. So all the CGI trickery has to work in real time too, applied to a bunch of people who, despite having no motive to trick anyone, are willingly going along with a massive fraud. That makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 21, 2021, 10:09:25 AM
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Wy can't they be in space? Because you say so?
Where did I state that?
Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

What video was that? I haven't seen any video of them in space prior to them being in space. Please post or point to what you're referring to. Or are you just making this up?
Read the thread.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: SteelyBob on September 21, 2021, 11:33:28 AM
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Wy can't they be in space? Because you say so?
Where did I state that?
Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

What video was that? I haven't seen any video of them in space prior to them being in space. Please post or point to what you're referring to. Or are you just making this up?
Read the thread.

I’ve read the thread, and I don’t see any videos showing them experiencing 0g, other than in the vomet comet. So show us one, or we’ll just conclude that it doesn’t exist.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 21, 2021, 11:33:45 AM
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Wy can't they be in space? Because you say so?
Where did I state that?
Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

What video was that? I haven't seen any video of them in space prior to them being in space. Please post or point to what you're referring to. Or are you just making this up?
Read the thread.


Do you believe that the recent Inspiration4 crew launch were in space?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 21, 2021, 12:13:37 PM
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Wy can't they be in space? Because you say so?
Where did I state that?
Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

What video was that? I haven't seen any video of them in space prior to them being in space. Please post or point to what you're referring to. Or are you just making this up?
Read the thread.

I’ve read the thread, and I don’t see any videos showing them experiencing 0g, other than in the vomet comet. So show us one, or we’ll just conclude that it doesn’t exist.
I was wrong about that. Thought it was here.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 21, 2021, 12:22:34 PM
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Wy can't they be in space? Because you say so?
Where did I state that?
Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

What video was that? I haven't seen any video of them in space prior to them being in space. Please post or point to what you're referring to. Or are you just making this up?
Read the thread.


Do you believe that the recent Inspiration4 crew launch were in space?
Define "space."

If you are referring to the environment commonly labeled "outer space," (anything 50-60 miles above the surface of the flat earth plane) the answer would be no.

The X-15 explored the limits back in the 50's and 60's and nothing we have done since then has surpassed that. We have achieved the ability to remain aloft at those altitudes for extended periods, but not to exceed them.

Current projects in the Space Force are looking to how to further doom humanity and push toward biblical armageddon. We will soon strike the sun with some form of weapon and look to bring down stars and other forms of satellites to the earth's surface.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: SteelyBob on September 21, 2021, 12:41:11 PM
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Wy can't they be in space? Because you say so?
Where did I state that?
Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

What video was that? I haven't seen any video of them in space prior to them being in space. Please post or point to what you're referring to. Or are you just making this up?
Read the thread.

I’ve read the thread, and I don’t see any videos showing them experiencing 0g, other than in the vomet comet. So show us one, or we’ll just conclude that it doesn’t exist.
I was wrong about that. Thought it was here.

Well done for admitting your error.

So is there such a video, anywhere, or not? Because if there isn’t, that does somewhat undermine your previous arguments, doesn’t it? We have the crew floating around, looking very much like they are in 0g (hair, orientation, puffy faces, floating objects) interacting in real time with some kids and adults on earth, some of whom are known to the crew. How on earth (!) would you go about faking that?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 21, 2021, 12:48:59 PM
Jesus H Christ?

Why do they have to be in space?

Cause they said so?

No.

Wy can't they be in space? Because you say so?
Where did I state that?
Cause I saw a video prior to them going in space that demonstrated much the same type of behavior of the hair and all the other shit on display, except it wasn't videoed in space.

What video was that? I haven't seen any video of them in space prior to them being in space. Please post or point to what you're referring to. Or are you just making this up?
Read the thread.

I’ve read the thread, and I don’t see any videos showing them experiencing 0g, other than in the vomet comet. So show us one, or we’ll just conclude that it doesn’t exist.
I was wrong about that. Thought it was here.

Well done for admitting your error.

So is there such a video, anywhere, or not? Because if there isn’t, that does somewhat undermine your previous arguments, doesn’t it? We have the crew floating around, looking very much like they are in 0g (hair, orientation, puffy faces, floating objects) interacting in real time with some kids and adults on earth, some of whom are known to the crew. How on earth (!) would you go about faking that?
Yeah, I tend to do that, unlike you.

The video is not fake. Who said the video was fake?

My argument isn't undermined at all.

All of that can be altered during presentation.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: SteelyBob on September 21, 2021, 02:26:38 PM

Yeah, I tend to do that, unlike you.

The video is not fake. Who said the video was fake?

If they are claiming to be in space, and the video is modified to make it look like they're in space, then it's fake, isn't it?

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My argument isn't undermined at all.

All of that can be altered during presentation.

How?

You've got two fundamental problems. Firstly, you've got to persuade a group of disparate people with no space experience, who desperately wanted to go into space, to suddenly join in on a conspiracy. They can't be actors, remember, because one of them is very well known anyway, and at least one of the others is known to the people on the video. But they have to be good at lying and acting, which you can't have known about when they were chosen for the mission.

Then you've got the technical side. You've repeatedly said that the necessary stuff can be done to make them look weightless, but you haven't offered up any evidence to support that. Yes, films like Gravity have been made, but they weren't filmed in real time - there will have been hours of painstaking work being each scene, and even then, there are still plenty of details that aren't quite right. So you're conjuring some magical CGI that can make people look like they are weightless in real time without any evidence at all that such technology exists.


Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 21, 2021, 03:16:21 PM

Yeah, I tend to do that, unlike you.

The video is not fake. Who said the video was fake?

If they are claiming to be in space, and the video is modified to make it look like they're in space, then it's fake, isn't it?
They are high above the earth.

Not a fake video.
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My argument isn't undermined at all.

All of that can be altered during presentation.

How?

You've got two fundamental problems. Firstly, you've got to persuade a group of disparate people with no space experience, who desperately wanted to go into space, to suddenly join in on a conspiracy. They can't be actors, remember, because one of them is very well known anyway, and at least one of the others is known to the people on the video. But they have to be good at lying and acting, which you can't have known about when they were chosen for the mission.

Then you've got the technical side. You've repeatedly said that the necessary stuff can be done to make them look weightless, but you haven't offered up any evidence to support that. Yes, films like Gravity have been made, but they weren't filmed in real time - there will have been hours of painstaking work being each scene, and even then, there are still plenty of details that aren't quite right. So you're conjuring some magical CGI that can make people look like they are weightless in real time without any evidence at all that such technology exists.
So Gravity was filmed in some environment that was devoid of real time?

I am not the one who needs to be aware of qualifications for lying and faking and willingness to go along with the program.

No one here need be.

There was no evidence at all for the Wright Brothers to act on their ideas either.

You have no clue whether they were in "outer space," at all.

Somebody told you that and somebody has told you prior there is such a thing.

You choose to believe what you are told and you can look at things and interpret those things your way.

I choose not to believe what I have told about the nature of the world surrounding me amd I look at things and interpret them otherwise.

Have a great day and work on your math.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: SteelyBob on September 21, 2021, 05:05:18 PM
They are high above the earth.

Not a fake video.

So you're asserting that they are 'high above the earth' now? In what? The actual rocket / pod that they claim to have used, but just much lower? So they aren't in orbit? Or are you saying they are just in a normal aircraft? How long are they up there for? The claimed time? Or much less?

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So Gravity was filmed in some environment that was devoid of real time?

The actors, of course, are filmed in essentially real time (not withstanding multiple takes etc), but the CGI takes far, far longer - you can't just film somebody and have them magically appear to be floating in space as you film. Still waiting for you to provide evidence of this.
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I am not the one who needs to be aware of qualifications for lying and faking and willingness to go along with the program.

Well, you are asserting a massive conspiracy involving people with no motive for taking part. That's a huge claim, which you a making with no credible evidence or even plausible explanation.

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No one here need be.

There was no evidence at all for the Wright Brothers to act on their ideas either.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

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You have no clue whether they were in "outer space," at all.

Somebody told you that and somebody has told you prior there is such a thing.

You choose to believe what you are told and you can look at things and interpret those things your way.

I choose to believe that which is supported by a massive preponderance of evidence. The space programmes, of both the USA and other countries, are all supported by an enormous, coherent body of evidence.

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I choose not to believe what I have told about the nature of the world surrounding me amd I look at things and interpret them otherwise.

It's fine to be skeptical of things, but that also requires that you adjust your beliefs when confronted with evidence. You appear to be forming a view and then cherry picking evidence to suit your views, or as in this case, constructing a narrative that suits your views without anything to support it. In order for your assertion here to be true, you need a group of people to behave in a completely irrational way with no motive, and for some technology that doesn't exist to be in existence.

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Have a great day and work on your math.

Are we discussing mathematics here? Which bit of my math should I work on?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 21, 2021, 05:13:50 PM

Yeah, I tend to do that, unlike you.

The video is not fake. Who said the video was fake?

If they are claiming to be in space, and the video is modified to make it look like they're in space, then it's fake, isn't it?
They are high above the earth.

Not a fake video.
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My argument isn't undermined at all.

All of that can be altered during presentation.

How?

You've got two fundamental problems. Firstly, you've got to persuade a group of disparate people with no space experience, who desperately wanted to go into space, to suddenly join in on a conspiracy. They can't be actors, remember, because one of them is very well known anyway, and at least one of the others is known to the people on the video. But they have to be good at lying and acting, which you can't have known about when they were chosen for the mission.

Then you've got the technical side. You've repeatedly said that the necessary stuff can be done to make them look weightless, but you haven't offered up any evidence to support that. Yes, films like Gravity have been made, but they weren't filmed in real time - there will have been hours of painstaking work being each scene, and even then, there are still plenty of details that aren't quite right. So you're conjuring some magical CGI that can make people look like they are weightless in real time without any evidence at all that such technology exists.
So Gravity was filmed in some environment that was devoid of real time?

I am not the one who needs to be aware of qualifications for lying and faking and willingness to go along with the program.

No one here need be.

There was no evidence at all for the Wright Brothers to act on their ideas either.

You have no clue whether they were in "outer space," at all.

Somebody told you that and somebody has told you prior there is such a thing.

You choose to believe what you are told and you can look at things and interpret those things your way.

I choose not to believe what I have told about the nature of the world surrounding me amd I look at things and interpret them otherwise.

Have a great day and work on your math.


A few follow up questions:
- You mentioned that the Inspiration4 crew were high above the Earth. When you say high above the Earth, how high? High enough to be in space or still within the Earth's atmosphere?
- What do your observations and research data show in terms of telemetry data of the Inspiration4 crew (e.g. altitude, speed, trajectory?)

- You mentioned that you choose not to believe what you have been told about...BUT, isn't it true that many of the things you espouse about Flat Earth belief's didn't come from you but came from what the Flat Earth community taught you to believe; that space travel is a conspiracy, that NASA is evil and are all liars, that space travel is faked in a studio, that astronauts are actors?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: Action80 on September 21, 2021, 05:38:13 PM
They are high above the earth.

Not a fake video.

So you're asserting that they are 'high above the earth' now? In what? The actual rocket / pod that they claim to have used, but just much lower? So they aren't in orbit? Or are you saying they are just in a normal aircraft? How long are they up there for? The claimed time? Or much less?

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So Gravity was filmed in some environment that was devoid of real time?

The actors, of course, are filmed in essentially real time (not withstanding multiple takes etc), but the CGI takes far, far longer - you can't just film somebody and have them magically appear to be floating in space as you film. Still waiting for you to provide evidence of this.
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I am not the one who needs to be aware of qualifications for lying and faking and willingness to go along with the program.

Well, you are asserting a massive conspiracy involving people with no motive for taking part. That's a huge claim, which you a making with no credible evidence or even plausible explanation.

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No one here need be.

There was no evidence at all for the Wright Brothers to act on their ideas either.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

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You have no clue whether they were in "outer space," at all.

Somebody told you that and somebody has told you prior there is such a thing.

You choose to believe what you are told and you can look at things and interpret those things your way.

I choose to believe that which is supported by a massive preponderance of evidence. The space programmes, of both the USA and other countries, are all supported by an enormous, coherent body of evidence.

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I choose not to believe what I have told about the nature of the world surrounding me amd I look at things and interpret them otherwise.

It's fine to be skeptical of things, but that also requires that you adjust your beliefs when confronted with evidence. You appear to be forming a view and then cherry picking evidence to suit your views, or as in this case, constructing a narrative that suits your views without anything to support it. In order for your assertion here to be true, you need a group of people to behave in a completely irrational way with no motive, and for some technology that doesn't exist to be in existence.

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Have a great day and work on your math.

Are we discussing mathematics here? Which bit of my math should I work on?
Steely Bob, you already tried to pass off some crap math in the ICBM thread and got called out on it.

I am done with your disingenuous, gaslighting tactics.

Like I wrote earlier, you have an opinion of what reality is based on what is presented to you.

Mine differs.

You want me to accept your interpretation of the evidence, not the evidence.

I see the same thing you see, I don't interpret it your way.

I am just as committed to my opinion as you are to yours.

I will keep posting, you keep posting.

C ya.
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: GoldCashew on September 21, 2021, 05:49:26 PM
They are high above the earth.

Not a fake video.

So you're asserting that they are 'high above the earth' now? In what? The actual rocket / pod that they claim to have used, but just much lower? So they aren't in orbit? Or are you saying they are just in a normal aircraft? How long are they up there for? The claimed time? Or much less?

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So Gravity was filmed in some environment that was devoid of real time?

The actors, of course, are filmed in essentially real time (not withstanding multiple takes etc), but the CGI takes far, far longer - you can't just film somebody and have them magically appear to be floating in space as you film. Still waiting for you to provide evidence of this.
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I am not the one who needs to be aware of qualifications for lying and faking and willingness to go along with the program.

Well, you are asserting a massive conspiracy involving people with no motive for taking part. That's a huge claim, which you a making with no credible evidence or even plausible explanation.

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No one here need be.

There was no evidence at all for the Wright Brothers to act on their ideas either.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

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You have no clue whether they were in "outer space," at all.

Somebody told you that and somebody has told you prior there is such a thing.

You choose to believe what you are told and you can look at things and interpret those things your way.

I choose to believe that which is supported by a massive preponderance of evidence. The space programmes, of both the USA and other countries, are all supported by an enormous, coherent body of evidence.

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I choose not to believe what I have told about the nature of the world surrounding me amd I look at things and interpret them otherwise.

It's fine to be skeptical of things, but that also requires that you adjust your beliefs when confronted with evidence. You appear to be forming a view and then cherry picking evidence to suit your views, or as in this case, constructing a narrative that suits your views without anything to support it. In order for your assertion here to be true, you need a group of people to behave in a completely irrational way with no motive, and for some technology that doesn't exist to be in existence.

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Have a great day and work on your math.

Are we discussing mathematics here? Which bit of my math should I work on?
Steely Bob, you already tried to pass off some crap math in the ICBM thread and got called out on it.

I am done with your disingenuous, gaslighting tactics.

Like I wrote earlier, you have an opinion of what reality is based on what is presented to you.

Mine differs.

You want me to accept your interpretation of the evidence, not the evidence.

I see the same thing you see, I don't interpret it your way.

I am just as committed to my opinion as you are to yours.

I will keep posting, you keep posting.

C ya.


You had mentioned that the Inspiration4 crew were high above the Earth.

What do your observations about the world and nature tell you how high they were? Can you be more specific on what your own measurements showed in terms of the height?
Title: Re: Civilians in Space
Post by: SteelyBob on September 21, 2021, 06:58:01 PM
They are high above the earth.

Not a fake video.

So you're asserting that they are 'high above the earth' now? In what? The actual rocket / pod that they claim to have used, but just much lower? So they aren't in orbit? Or are you saying they are just in a normal aircraft? How long are they up there for? The claimed time? Or much less?

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So Gravity was filmed in some environment that was devoid of real time?

The actors, of course, are filmed in essentially real time (not withstanding multiple takes etc), but the CGI takes far, far longer - you can't just film somebody and have them magically appear to be floating in space as you film. Still waiting for you to provide evidence of this.
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I am not the one who needs to be aware of qualifications for lying and faking and willingness to go along with the program.

Well, you are asserting a massive conspiracy involving people with no motive for taking part. That's a huge claim, which you a making with no credible evidence or even plausible explanation.

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No one here need be.

There was no evidence at all for the Wright Brothers to act on their ideas either.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

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You have no clue whether they were in "outer space," at all.

Somebody told you that and somebody has told you prior there is such a thing.

You choose to believe what you are told and you can look at things and interpret those things your way.

I choose to believe that which is supported by a massive preponderance of evidence. The space programmes, of both the USA and other countries, are all supported by an enormous, coherent body of evidence.

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I choose not to believe what I have told about the nature of the world surrounding me amd I look at things and interpret them otherwise.

It's fine to be skeptical of things, but that also requires that you adjust your beliefs when confronted with evidence. You appear to be forming a view and then cherry picking evidence to suit your views, or as in this case, constructing a narrative that suits your views without anything to support it. In order for your assertion here to be true, you need a group of people to behave in a completely irrational way with no motive, and for some technology that doesn't exist to be in existence.

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Have a great day and work on your math.

Are we discussing mathematics here? Which bit of my math should I work on?
Steely Bob, you already tried to pass off some crap math in the ICBM thread and got called out on it.

I am done with your disingenuous, gaslighting tactics.

Like I wrote earlier, you have an opinion of what reality is based on what is presented to you.

Mine differs.

You want me to accept your interpretation of the evidence, not the evidence.

I see the same thing you see, I don't interpret it your way.

I am just as committed to my opinion as you are to yours.

I will keep posting, you keep posting.

C ya.

That's just a load of ad hominem distraction and deflection. Why not just stick to the debate at hand? Of course we disagree - this is a debating forum. Your failure to address the questions asked, or to provide any evidence to support your statements, merely transmits the message that you don't have an argument and are either trolling or are just very confused.