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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #120 on: April 29, 2018, 05:51:05 PM »




Task manager please. real time.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #121 on: April 29, 2018, 05:54:23 PM »
This is mind boggling nonsense. If my PC has a TDP of 65W, I can expect it to warm my PC as much as any other 65W TDP processor on any given day. I shouldn't expect it to run cooler than a 35W TDP processor of yesteryear.

So you actually don't know the difference between TDP and heat output. Colour me surprised.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #122 on: April 29, 2018, 05:56:34 PM »
This is mind boggling nonsense. If my PC has a TDP of 65W, I can expect it to warm my PC as much as any other 65W TDP processor on any given day. I shouldn't expect it to run cooler than a 35W TDP processor of yesteryear.

So you actually don't know the difference between TDP and heat output. Colour me surprised.
No one knows the heat output at any give moment you muppet. TDP is the design specification saying put a cooler on this that dissipates 65W of heat for this type of processor. Ergo, you need a cooling solution deal with 65W. Same as you did 20 years ago with a 65W processor.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #123 on: April 29, 2018, 05:58:22 PM »
No one knows the heat output at any give moment you muppet.
Of course you do. You can measure power drawn with a decent power supply, and, since physics applies, you'll get the heat output of your machine, within a very reasonable margin of error.

TDP is the design specification saying put a cooler on this that dissipates 65W of heat for this type of processor. Ergo, you need a cooling solution deal with 65W. Same as you did 20 years ago with a 65W processor.
I'm glad you've finally admitted that the cooling solutions didn't change much.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #124 on: April 29, 2018, 06:01:27 PM »
Thork, how am I supposed to record a video of my processor idling? If I begin recording my desktop, then by definition my computer is no longer idling.

Also, never use the task manager to look up your clocks. It's just asking Windows what it thinks the clockrate is, it doesn't actually ping any hardware. It is absolute trash when it comes to measuring any kind of performance metric. Use CPU-Z or PassMark.

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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #125 on: April 29, 2018, 06:03:29 PM »
No one knows the heat output at any give moment you muppet.
Of course you do. You can measure power drawn with a decent power supply, and, since physics applies, you'll get the heat output of your machine, within a very reasonable margin of error.
Nice try. Watts in aren't perfectly transferred to watts of heat out on the die. Does your processor not have any PCIe lanes? Does it not send any of its power to the board, other components or back to the power supply? Is it just there to heat the computer up?

TDP is the design specification saying put a cooler on this that dissipates 65W of heat for this type of processor. Ergo, you need a cooling solution deal with 65W. Same as you did 20 years ago with a 65W processor.
I'm glad you've finally admitted that the cooling solutions didn't change much.
They very fact you can now have desktop processors in small devices proves how wrong you are.

Thork, how am I supposed to record a video of my processor idling? If I begin recording my desktop, then by definition my computer is no longer idling.

Also, never use the task manager to look up your clocks. It's just asking Windows what it thinks the clockrate is, it doesn't actually ping any hardware. It is absolute trash when it comes to measuring any kind of performance metric. Use CPU-Z or PassMark.
Well I managed it on the page before. I'll take that as you not succeeding and being proved wrong. All I wanted was
 


Here's my 1.8GHz base clock PC at 4%. Never gets below 1.2 GHz.

Show me your 5Ghz processor at 800Mhz please.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #126 on: April 29, 2018, 06:06:56 PM »
Nice try. Watts in aren't perfectly transferred to watts of heat out on the die.
I don't solely care about your die, and neither do you. Your AiO is tightly packed - unless you're arguing that this heat somehow escapes the computer's case, it still needs to be dissipated. Otherwise, your case is effectively a nice, small greenhouse.

They very fact you can now have desktop processors in small devices proves how wrong you are.
But this was true 10-15 years ago, too.

Well I managed it on the page before. I'll take that as you not succeeding and being proved wrong. All I wanted was
 


Here's my 1.8GHz base clock PC at 4%. Never gets below 1.2 GHz.

Show me your 5Ghz processor at 800Mhz please.
You do realise that this is entirely configurable, right?
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #127 on: April 29, 2018, 06:07:58 PM »
Here's my computer using intel extreme tuning utilily.



Same results in real time. 5% used. doesn't get below 1.2Ghz.

Show me your 5Ghz processor at 800Mhz please.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #128 on: April 29, 2018, 06:09:07 PM »
2.2GHz from 4 GHz is still a hell of a drop these days.

mine idles at <1.4 ghz

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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #129 on: April 29, 2018, 06:11:13 PM »
Thork. Take a deep breath. Now another one.

You can adjust your CPU's multiplier stepping. The fact that you chose to run with the defaults is your prerogative, but it proves absolutely zilch.

Also, stop using Intel's bloatware, you're hurting your already underpowered PC.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #130 on: April 29, 2018, 06:12:03 PM »
Yeah, gonna need to see some real time cpu usage. Rushy has been a while, hasn't he? Takes this long to make a screenshot?
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #131 on: April 29, 2018, 06:13:24 PM »
Yeah, gonna need to see some real time cpu usage.
Define "real time cpu usage" - all you've given us so far is screenshots.

Do you want to come to my house and play with my BIOS settings? I can show you multipliers you haven't imagined before. If we try hard enough, my CPU might even vibrate.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #132 on: April 29, 2018, 06:16:47 PM »
TDP is Watts in joules and a guesstimate of how many heat watts you need to dissipate. Power draw is volts x amps to give you electrical watts required. The two are not the same.




Yeah.... Either bait or he's operating on a different level of logic where Joules =/= Joules if you have different types of energy.
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« Reply #133 on: April 29, 2018, 06:17:17 PM »
Yeah, gonna need to see some real time cpu usage. Rushy has been a while, hasn't he? Takes this long to make a screenshot?

i did.  see my screenshot.
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« Reply #134 on: April 29, 2018, 06:18:01 PM »
Yeah.... Either bait or he's operating on a different level of logic where Joules =/= Joules if you have different types of energy.
Thork's entire gimmick here is to assert that conservation of energy does not apply because heat pipes. It's great and I never want it to end.

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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2018, 06:19:03 PM »
Just a screen shot of something actively monitoring cpu speed. Not a screenshot of a default setting which is unattainable in the real world.

This isn't hard. Post a screenshot of an 8700k @5GHz doing 800mhz. Very simple request. I'll accept anything with a graph on it that plots performance over time.

Yeah, gonna need to see some real time cpu usage. Rushy has been a while, hasn't he? Takes this long to make a screenshot?

i did.  see my screenshot.
and you don't have a 5Ghz processor not did it get as low as 800Mhz.

I want to see the silicon wonder Rushy has.
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« Reply #136 on: April 29, 2018, 06:23:04 PM »
I want to see the silicon wonder Rushy has.

just to be clear, your original claim was that 4.0ghz to 2.2ghz was basically the limit of currentyear cpus.  not sure why we need to wait for rushy to do anything since that clearly isn't close to true.

btw my cpu is a 4-year-old fx-6300.
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« Reply #137 on: April 29, 2018, 06:23:47 PM »
and you don't have a 5Ghz processor not did it get as low as 800Mhz.

I want to see the silicon wonder Rushy has.
Don't worry - you're not the only person confused by this.

https://communities.intel.com/thread/124867

Seems to be a common issue among non-technical people.
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Re: Ordered a new computer
« Reply #138 on: April 29, 2018, 06:31:42 PM »
I want to see the silicon wonder Rushy has.

just to be clear, your original claim was that 4.0ghz to 2.2ghz was basically the limit of currentyear cpus.  not sure why we need to wait for rushy to do anything since that clearly isn't close to true.

btw my cpu is a 4-year-old fx-6300.
And I'm surprised to see it as low as 1.4Ghz.

But I'd really like to see the 5Ghz processor that goes down to 800Mhz.

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« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2018, 06:33:37 PM »
But I'd really like to see the 5Ghz processor that goes down to 800Mhz.
Is the account of a confused father not enough for you? You heartless bastard.
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