[Lord Dave]

Trump should kill Bernie and all of his supporters.

This is what trump supporters actually believe.

imagine unironically being this scared

Correct. It's why Bernie will die before the election.

Rushy: I’m so happy Trump isn’t a war monger
Also Rushy: I wish Trump would violently eliminate all my ideological enemies.

What a terrifying mentality.

Violence is at the core of both the status quo and revolution. There's no such thing as the continuation of a regime without violence. Evolution itself is a violent phenomenon and humanity as an output of evolution is championed only by the nature of being able to output more violence than any other species on Earth.

Yeah this is also a terrifying mentality. Just because violence has been a tool in the past doesn’t mean we shouldn’t prefer nonviolence.

By that logic, we should be electing people who can kill and brutalize others, not fat, old, rich people who have probably never wiped their own ass, let alone thrown a punch.

Also, since we have a few hundred nuclear warheads, we kind win the violence game.  We can literally wipe out humanity in one act of violence.

[honk]

And it's not envy, it's just a fact that Trump thinks he is the expert on every subject when the reality is he knows very little.
Most of what he says is demonstrably not true.
And he's in charge of the most powerful country in the world.
Will it affect you and me? Probably not. But it does affect a lot of people. Just because you're not one of them, doesn't make it OK.

Orange man bad. Yeah sure. You need to deal with not getting the thing you wanted. I don't know if it is only child syndrome or everyone gets a medal culture ... but you need to learn to take defeat with humility.

This is not even close to being a relevant response.

[Dr David Thork]

And it's not envy, it's just a fact that Trump thinks he is the expert on every subject when the reality is he knows very little.
Most of what he says is demonstrably not true.
And he's in charge of the most powerful country in the world.
Will it affect you and me? Probably not. But it does affect a lot of people. Just because you're not one of them, doesn't make it OK.

Orange man bad. Yeah sure. You need to deal with not getting the thing you wanted. I don't know if it is only child syndrome or everyone gets a medal culture ... but you need to learn to take defeat with humility.

This is not even close to being a relevant response.

That's the freemium answer. If you want Thork Pro, you need to subscribe for $4.99 per month.

[Bikini Polaris]

Does anyone really doubt Trump represents his voters? I mean, given that there's not much to discuss about.

[Pete Svarrior]

If so then why is the whole machine underneath Trump now doing completely the opposite of what it did under Obama?

Because Americans voted for an administration that, for nearly a decade, loudly shouted about how much they hate Obama's administration and how they'll do their best to undo everything he's done?

I'm not sure what your point here is. It's not like the GOP has a particularly good opinion of Obama. Trump is hardly an outlier in that particular regard.

[AATW]

Yes, they did vote for that administration but my point is Trump was more than just the poster boy and "lead singer".
The personality and views of the president are absolutely a part of the polices that are made while they're in power.

While we're here, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this:

[Lord Dave]

Yes, they did vote for that administration but my point is Trump was more than just the poster boy and "lead singer".
The personality and views of the president are absolutely a part of the polices that are made while they're in power.

While we're here, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this:

Fox being a hypocrit?  No....

[totallackey]

Yes, they did vote for that administration but my point is Trump was more than just the poster boy and "lead singer".
The personality and views of the president are absolutely a part of the polices that are made while they're in power.

While we're here, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this:

Fox being a hypocrit?  No....

Obama was going to meet with Kim-Jong and give him a pallet full of cash.

Trump met with him a couple of times and said no money, except in the exploding bomb coming your way if you keep mouthing off...

So no...not Fox being hypocritical...

[Rama Set]

Obama was going to meet with Kim-Jong and give him a pallet full of cash.

Trump met with him a couple of times and said no money, except in the exploding bomb coming your way if you keep mouthing off...

So no...not Fox being hypocritical...

Although that would be a valid distinction, Fox was saying that it was wrong to meet a dictator, full stop, so your distinction doesn't really apply.  They were doing it when he was campaigning before he even had a policy in place.

To be honest, for someone who loves to criticize the status quo and offer a position that the entire establishment is corrupt, I have no idea why you think Fox News isn't a part of that.

[AATW]

Obama was going to meet with Kim-Jong and give him a pallet full of cash.

Source?
In one of the clips Fox News call him "Senator" so this was obviously before he was president when he was talking about the possibility of meeting.
Cut to Fox news howling with outrage at the very idea. But when Trump does it...

So no...not Fox being hypocritical...

I wonder when Orwell wrote 1984 he really thought that doublethink would become a thing.
#MakeOrwellFictionAgain.

[Rama Set]

Afaik all Obama offered Nortk Korea was food. Never cash.

[totallackey]

Obama was going to meet with Kim-Jong and give him a pallet full of cash.

Trump met with him a couple of times and said no money, except in the exploding bomb coming your way if you keep mouthing off...

So no...not Fox being hypocritical...

Although that would be a valid distinction, Fox was saying that it was wrong to meet a dictator, full stop, so your distinction doesn't really apply.

So, stating it is a "mistake," (and that is the ultimate length and breadth of the Fox comments offered in the video) = wrong in every instance, regardless of extenuating circumstances?

I think there is a clear distinction in how/when/why/who is doing the meeting. 

They were doing it when he was campaigning before he even had a policy in place.

I think they turned out to be pretty forecasters in this instance.

To be honest, for someone who loves to criticize the status quo and offer a position that the entire establishment is corrupt, I have no idea why you think Fox News isn't a part of that.

You got to pay attention to the whole beast from afar...

Obama was going to meet with Kim-Jong and give him a pallet full of cash.

Source?
In one of the clips Fox News call him "Senator" so this was obviously before he was president when he was talking about the possibility of meeting.
Cut to Fox news howling with outrage at the very idea. But when Trump does it...

What is every government solution to every problem?

Bomb the shit out of it or throw a bunch of money at it.

Past performance is the best predictor of future performance.

i.e., Obama's response to Iran...fork over cash...

So no...not Fox being hypocritical...

I wonder when Orwell wrote 1984 he really thought that doublethink would become a thing.
#MakeOrwellFictionAgain.

You are calling me a proponent of Orwell?

LOL!

Why should I consider that an insult?

You would not consider it an insult if I called you a proponent of Malthus...

[Rama Set]

So, stating it is a "mistake," = wrong in every instance, regardless of extenuating circumstances?

Yes, otherwise you are left having to put words in their mouths.

I think there is a clear distinction in how/when/why/who is doing the meeting. 

That doesn’t mean that the Fox News hosts thought that. Again, I think it’s a mistake to assume someone’s intention especially when it appears I am projecting my own desires and beliefs on to them.

I think they turned out to be pretty forecasters in this instance.

Irrelevant.

You got to pay attention to the whole beast from afar...

No idea what you are talking about. Generally it seems that you haven’t analyzed what is actually said in this clip and when it was said but rather who it was said about and your knowledge of how his administration played out to make a post-hoc analysis. Seems much more likely that Fox, like CNN are just a bunch of corporate shills serving an editorial purpose regardless of the truth.

[totallackey]

So, stating it is a "mistake," (and that is the ultimate length and breadth of the Fox comments offered in the video) = wrong in every instance, regardless of extenuating circumstances?

Yes, otherwise you are left having to put words in their mouths.

Incorrect.

You are the one who is putting words into the mouths of every Fox personality offered in the clip.

You need to rewatch the video.

The single most succinct comment made in the clip is the word, "mistake."

I think there is a clear distinction in how/when/why/who is doing the meeting. 

That doesn’t mean that the Fox News hosts thought that. Again, I think it’s a mistake to assume someone’s intention especially when it appears I am projecting my own desires and beliefs on to them.

Yet you are here, making comments on the board, doing exactly that.

I think they turned out to be pretty forecasters in this instance.

Irrelevant.

Highly relevant.

You got to pay attention to the whole beast from afar...

No idea what you are talking about. Generally it seems that you haven’t analyzed what is actually said in this clip and when it was said but rather who it was said about and your knowledge of how his administration played out to make a post-hoc analysis. Seems much more likely that Fox, like CNN are just a bunch of corporate shills serving an editorial purpose regardless of the truth.

I think you are capable of improving and wish you would.

[Rama Set]

So, stating it is a "mistake," (and that is the ultimate length and breadth of the Fox comments offered in the video) = wrong in every instance, regardless of extenuating circumstances?

Yes, otherwise you are left having to put words in their mouths.

Incorrect.

You are the one who is putting words into the mouths of every Fox personality offered in the clip.

You need to rewatch the video.

The single most succinct comment made in the clip is the word, "mistake."

Yup, but they don’t say what you think which is “because he will give money to dictators”. They say it’s a mistake for Obama and praise Trump for it.

I think there is a clear distinction in how/when/why/who is doing the meeting. 

That doesn’t mean that the Fox News hosts thought that. Again, I think it’s a mistake to assume someone’s intention especially when it appears I am projecting my own desires and beliefs on to them.

Yet you are here, making comments on the board, doing exactly that.

No, I’m basing my opinion on what they actually say and when instead of what I think they have said.

I think they turned out to be pretty forecasters in this instance.

Irrelevant.

Highly relevant.

Glad we agree.

You got to pay attention to the whole beast from afar...

No idea what you are talking about. Generally it seems that you haven’t analyzed what is actually said in this clip and when it was said but rather who it was said about and your knowledge of how his administration played out to make a post-hoc analysis. Seems much more likely that Fox, like CNN are just a bunch of corporate shills serving an editorial purpose regardless of the truth.

I think you are capable of improving and wish you would.

Then a personal attack. Why, my dude?

[Lord Dave]

Lackey: Fox and I agree, black men meeting dictators is bad.  But Orange men meeting dictators is good.

[totallackey]

So, stating it is a "mistake," (and that is the ultimate length and breadth of the Fox comments offered in the video) = wrong in every instance, regardless of extenuating circumstances?

Yes, otherwise you are left having to put words in their mouths.

Incorrect.

You are the one who is putting words into the mouths of every Fox personality offered in the clip.

You need to rewatch the video.

The single most succinct comment made in the clip is the word, "mistake."

Yup, but they don’t say what you think which is “because he will give money to dictators”. They say it’s a mistake for Obama and praise Trump for it.

Only Hannity states the word mistake.

No one else does.

You put words into the mouths of the rest.

I think there is a clear distinction in how/when/why/who is doing the meeting. 

That doesn’t mean that the Fox News hosts thought that. Again, I think it’s a mistake to assume someone’s intention especially when it appears I am projecting my own desires and beliefs on to them.

Yet you are here, making comments on the board, doing exactly that.

No, I’m basing my opinion on what they actually say and when instead of what I think they have said.

Wrong.

As demonstrated earlier above and in the written record.

Glad we agree.

Good.

Then a personal attack. Why, my dude?

Wait a minute...

Stating someone is capable of improvement and wishing for the improvement = a personal attack...

I think we might have a clear and concise starting point from which to commence our practice!

[totallackey]

Lackey: Fox and I agree, black men meeting dictators is bad.  But Orange men meeting dictators is good.

Geez, where did Fox state it was a bad idea for black men to meet dictators?


ETA:

Would both of you please view my latest post in AR and offer your opinion?

[Rama Set]

The descent in to pedantry.

Ok, catch you next time.

Wait a minute...

Stating someone is capable of improvement and wishing for the improvement = a personal attack...

I think we might have a clear and concise starting point from which to commence our practice!

No implying that I require improvement is the attack.  Anyway, take care.

[AATW]

You are calling me a proponent of Orwell?

More a prophesy of his. It's neither an insult or compliment, merely an observation.
You refuse to see the truth of your own eyes. You see 4 fingers but say you see 5.

And I still await your source for the assertion that:

Obama was going to meet with Kim-Jong and give him a pallet full of cash.