I can most certainly find a place within 10 feet where I can hold my hand up and out (no higher than 3 feet off the ground as that's how long my arms are) where from my perspective I'm holding my hand above his head (where his head is 10 feet off the ground). Tom claims that my friend has to look 'up' in order to see my hand. How can that be possible? We know this doesn't happen in the real world. FE perspective debunked. Unless I'm missing something here.
TB, this sounds crystal clear to me. Is there something we are missing? Lie on the ground. Stretch out your hand "above" your friend on the table. From your perspective, your hand is higher than your friend. Your friend then has to look up to see your hand?
So, looking over this again might be missing the 'horizon' bit. But not sure how that makes a difference. Place us 3 miles apart. Distance means I probably only need to go up 2 feet to have my hand 'over' his head. My hand is now 2 feet up compared to his 10 foot high head. How can he possibly need to be looking 'up' to see my hand?
This entire thing is coming back to the theodolite, and the FE requirement that the dip angle doesn't exist. Despite every instrument we have telling us it does. The ONLY thing that claims there isn't one, is EnaG/the human eye, and we have (presently) only the first source to corroborate the second claim. If the horizon doesn't rise to eye level, the entirety of FE perspective is thrown out I think. Anyone on the coast able to attempt to falsify the Theodolite experiment? If a dip angle can be proven to exist, Tom's leg to stand on is thrown out, and perspective cannot function in the way FE needs it to.
But you need to remember, just as Zetetic science is proven wrong in something, does not mean that it gives that theory up, it only means that it will pursue means to correct it that correlate to the main theory- hence only making the the original theory stronger with updated and new theory.
Well put. And it's important to clarify that I, for one, am not here for TB or any other Flat Earther. I am here for the highly suggestible newcomers who need well-reasoned refutations of the FES concoctions.
You are sitting on your porch, watching a plane fly into the distance. The plane is at an altitude of 5,000 feet at all times. Your porch has a 3.5 foot high fence/deck railing along its perimeter. Your house is located just a little above sea level, looking into a flat horizon. As you sit you can see a bright sky above and you can see the horizon below the top level of your deck railing and between the slits.
It is possible for the receding plane to start off overhead, and as time progresses, eventually appear below the top of the 3.5 foot high deck railing as it approaches the horizon. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
This example above should show how silly the question is; and how the result is clearly due to perspective. You may as well be curious how you can raise your hands above the level of any clouds you see in the distance and be lost in wonder how your 5 foot tall hands can seem to get above clouds which are thousands of feet high in the distance, because this scenario would be as equally confounding, based on your understanding of the world.
TB, I want to go back to this important post of yours. I have a few questions:
1. Which question are you saying is silly?
2. The railing is higher than your eyes, as implied by your saying "you can see the horizon below" it?
Before you answer, I can confirm that any object whatsoever that goes far enough away will be seen below the railing. Even the entire universe, if seen far enough away, would be below that railing if the railing is "above" (toward your forehead from) your eye level. This is due to the contrived positions of your eyes and the railing and the shrinking angle of view that is occupied by receding objects. It's not due to any actual shrinking or deflection of those objects or your line of sight. Do we agree or disagree?