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« Reply #280 on: July 15, 2021, 11:23:19 AM »
Oh, so the flu is nearly completely eliminated in the 2020-2021 Flu Season, but COVID runs unchecked during that same period, creating similar numbers to what the flu did in the 2019-2020 Flu Season (38 Million). That definitely makes a lot of sense.  ::)

What's the point you're trying to make? That we shouldn't have had lockdowns, limited travel, mask mandates?
If it isn't Tom's point, I will proudly take that mantle.

You, along with the rest of the crew spewing your Henny Penny, idiotic nonsense, should have willingly stayed home of your free will and volition.

I would have got your groceries and delivered them to your doorstep, just to keep your ill conceived thought processes where they belong.
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« Reply #281 on: July 15, 2021, 02:10:25 PM »

You, along with the rest of the crew spewing your Henny Penny, idiotic nonsense, should have willingly stayed home of your free will and volition.

I would have got your groceries and delivered them to your doorstep, just to keep your ill conceived thought processes where they belong.
Did you deliver groceries then? I did stay home and have groceries delivered to me often. Maybe it was you delivering them, which is nice.

Has anyone said how covid actually gets us away from capitalism or did I miss that part? Because I remember corporations getting a lot of handouts during the lockdown. And-

"U.S. billionaires have gotten about $1.2 trillion richer during the pandemic."

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« Reply #282 on: July 15, 2021, 02:29:06 PM »
Now that the "here's how Trump can still win" mantra has faded, 'the great reset' is what we'll get to hear all about?

Hold on a second.  It's not August 13 yet.
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« Reply #283 on: July 15, 2021, 03:31:36 PM »

You, along with the rest of the crew spewing your Henny Penny, idiotic nonsense, should have willingly stayed home of your free will and volition.

I would have got your groceries and delivered them to your doorstep, just to keep your ill conceived thought processes where they belong.
Did you deliver groceries then? I did stay home and have groceries delivered to me often. Maybe it was you delivering them, which is nice.

Has anyone said how covid actually gets us away from capitalism or did I miss that part? Because I remember corporations getting a lot of handouts during the lockdown. And-

"U.S. billionaires have gotten about $1.2 trillion richer during the pandemic."
Yeah, and many other "non-essential," (I thought for the libtards, the concept of everyone being worthwhile, therefore = essential," was a hill worthy to be won in the SJW fight) received theirs much the same.

All musings uttered by such people are so philosophically and intellectually disingenuous it beggars belief.

You, quite obviously, have no clue as to what constitutes free market capitalism (or worse yet, purposefully) choosing to describe any current world economic system in use (including that of the US), as capitalism.

It isn't.

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« Reply #284 on: July 15, 2021, 04:05:58 PM »
Yeah, and many other "non-essential," received theirs much the same.
Please tell me how non-essential people became richer.

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« Reply #285 on: July 15, 2021, 04:11:28 PM »
Yeah, and many other "non-essential," received theirs much the same.
Please tell me how non-essential people became richer.
They lost their jobs, which, in many cases, was their only access to medical insurance, but then got handed a few covidbucks and bidenbucks for their troubles

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« Reply #286 on: July 15, 2021, 04:12:39 PM »
Yeah, and many other "non-essential," received theirs much the same.
Please tell me how non-essential people became richer.
They lost their jobs, which, in many cases, was their only access to medical insurance, but then got handed a few covidbucks and bidenbucks for their troubles
oh okay, I stand corrected then.

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« Reply #287 on: July 15, 2021, 05:42:23 PM »
Tom spends alot of time on current trends of a capitalist society.

What he calls "communism" is actually just extreme capitalism.

Ever heard of a car lease?  Its a great way for dealerships to make money by having you "rent" a car and giving you another one after a period of time, all while ensuring you never stop paying a monthly fee that is equal to or higher than a car loan.  And you don't own the car at the end of the period. (Unless you buy it which will cost more than its worth)
And if you don't want it, they sell it as a used car.  Its a win-win for capitalism! (Just not consumers)

From the consumer's point of view that's pretty close to communism. Under communism the state owns everything. In this case it's just a matter of defining the big businesses as 'the government'. And seeing as the World Economic Forum comprises of big companies conspiring with world leaders to reshape the economy and the nature of capitalism, 'because of Covid', those businesses basically are the governing body.

They also want to reinvent capitalism to make "society" a stakeholder, suspiciously like the underlying ideas of communism/fascism of years past.

See this on the Great Reset from the Foundation for Economic Education:

https://fee.org/articles/is-stakeholder-capitalism-newspeak-for-economic-fascism/

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Leaders of the World Economic Forum are seeking to implement a Great Reset of capitalism whereby “global stakeholders” cooperate to achieve “shared goals.” In the true spirit of not letting a crisis go to waste, they see the COVID-19 pandemic as presenting a unique opportunity to push their agenda.

"The level of cooperation and ambition this implies is unprecedented. But it is not some impossible dream," World Economic Forum Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab recently observed. "In fact, one silver lining of the pandemic is that it has shown how quickly we can make radical changes to our lifestyles."

Of course, when they say “our lifestyles” they mean your lifestyle, not their own. Their preferred vehicle for achieving their goals is other people’s businesses. In short, what they want is for private businesses to serve the interests of their own curated list of stakeholders rather than (as they see it) concentrating on returning profits to business owners. They want governments to pass laws and tax regimes to cajole businesses towards their favored ends. Since this arrangement still involves a modicum of private ownership of the means of production, they call it “Stakeholder Capitalism.”

It is important to recognize the subversive use of language here. Such a system is all about sidelining the true stakeholders, and undermining capitalism. This is Orwellian Newspeak at its best, since it misuses the word “stakeholder” and is actually closer to economic fascism than capitalism.

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Why Stakeholder Capitalism Is Socially Destructive

When global re-setters insist that “all” stakeholders should be represented, what they really mean is “I neither eat pizza nor help to produce pizza… but WHAT IS THE PIZZA SHOP DOING FOR ME?!”

It is a boldfaced attempt to substitute the interests of non-stakeholders for the interests of stakeholders, using surreptitious language to blur the line.

“Society as a whole” has no unified goal, and if it did there would be no way to ascertain what it was. So those who try to install “society” as a stakeholder in the activities of corporations, are eager to insert their own goals and interests.

Murray Rothbard puts it well:

    "Whenever someone begins to talk about ‘society’ or ‘society’s’ interest coming before ‘mere individuals and their interest,’ a good operative rule is: guard your pocketbook. And guard yourself! Because behind the facade of ‘society,’ there is always a group of power-hungry doctrinaires and exploiters, ready to take your money and to order your actions and your life. For, somehow, they ‘are’ society!"

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A system that replaces the goals of true stakeholders with the iron will of ruling elites, which retains nominal private ownership, but uses government force to pressure firms to serve centrally determined goals, looks and smells an awful lot like economic fascism.

Chilling.
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« Reply #288 on: July 16, 2021, 12:19:26 AM »
The debunk article which claimed it was false that the World Economic Forum wanted us to own nothing was clearly a lie. The WEF authored a Forbes article about it:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=7b3be43a1735

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Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better
World Economic Forum

Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city." I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes.

It might seem odd to you, but it makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you considered a product, has now become a service. We have access to transportation, accommodation, food and all the things we need in our daily lives. One by one all these things became free, so it ended up not making sense for us to own much.

Really, how do you make food free?

Some kind of crazy communist or socialist scheme, undoubtedly.

They also want us to have no privacy. They put that right in the title. What an attractive plan for us.

Living arrangements will be shared:

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In our city we don't pay any rent, because someone else is using our free space whenever we do not need it. My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there.

Real practical. As if anyone wants to hold their business meeting in someone's living room, or that people want to have their living rooms look like a meeting room. I guess in our new life we're going to be living in office spaces and letting our masters know when we're leaving the premises or want to schedule time in the communal make-shift living room. It seems from that quote of having people use free living space when not needed that they want us to share bathrooms and kitchens too. Exciting.

At the bottom of this page from the World Leaders part at the bottom that the Presidents of China, France, the European Commission, South Africa, South Korea, Chancellor of Germany, the Secretary General of the UN, Prime Minister of Italy, and Prime Minister of Japan are all interested in implementing the utopian visions of this insane organization for us, as well as Joe Biden and Prince Phillip when he was alive, as we saw on the previous page.
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« Reply #289 on: July 16, 2021, 02:37:18 AM »
Idk, "life has never been better" is also in the title. Sounds p lit tbh.

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« Reply #290 on: July 16, 2021, 06:37:20 AM »
The debunk article which claimed it was false that the World Economic Forum wanted us to own nothing was clearly a lie. The WEF authored a Forbes article about it:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=7b3be43a1735

That's the exact same article the Reuters piece discussed, and I linked to it a few posts back. You haven't discovered anything new here; you're just revealing that you haven't been paying attention to the things you're responding to. So, like the Reuters piece said, the existence of that article does not mean that the scenario described therein is a "goal" for the WEF or something they've set an "agenda" for, and like I said, the scenario is impossible with today's technology.
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« Reply #291 on: July 16, 2021, 07:45:40 AM »
The debunk article which claimed it was false that the World Economic Forum wanted us to own nothing was clearly a lie. The WEF authored a Forbes article about it:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=7b3be43a1735

That's the exact same article the Reuters piece discussed, and I linked to it a few posts back. You haven't discovered anything new here; you're just revealing that you haven't been paying attention to the things you're responding to. So, like the Reuters piece said, the existence of that article does not mean that the scenario described therein is a "goal" for the WEF or something they've set an "agenda" for, and like I said, the scenario is impossible with today's technology.

Are you talking about this Reuters article?

The Reuters link is talking about a video. The Forbes article is neither linked or mentioned in the Reuters article at all. That's incorrect. The Forbes article is clearly trying to sell us the concept as a utopia, and goes into it with more depth than the video did, which represented it as a prediction. They like the concept enough that they are making videos and writing articles about it, and imagining a society based on the concept.

At the bottom of the Forbes article it says that it was written ahead of their annual meeting

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This blog was written ahead of the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting of the Global Future Councils.

Ida Auken is a Young Global Leader and Member of the Global Future Council on Cities and Urbanization of the World Economic Forum,

The person who wrote that article is a Danish Politician and former Minister of the Environment:



Other articles on the site talk about it as well. That's what all of the "changing capitalism" stuff is about.

Among its predictions in the Forbes article it predicts that transportation costs will drop:

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First communication became digitized and free to everyone. Then, when clean energy became free, things started to move quickly. Transportation dropped dramatically in price.

In another article about the Fourth Industrial Revolution by Klaus Schwab it's making similar predictions:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/01/the-fourth-industrial-revolution-what-it-means-and-how-to-respond/

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The Fourth Industrial Revolution: what it means, how to respond
Klaus Schwab
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In the future, technological innovation will also lead to a supply-side miracle, with long-term gains in efficiency and productivity. Transportation and communication costs will drop, logistics and global supply chains will become more effective, and the cost of trade will diminish, all of which will open new markets and drive economic growth.

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The Fourth Industrial Revolution, finally, will change not only what we do but also who we are. It will affect our identity and all the issues associated with it: our sense of privacy, our notions of ownership, our consumption patterns, the time we devote to work and leisure, and how we develop our careers, cultivate our skills, meet people, and nurture relationships. It is already changing our health and leading to a “quantified” self, and sooner than we think it may lead to human augmentation. The list is endless because it is bound only by our imagination.

- Supply-side miracle = Robots will make everything
- Low Transportation Cost = Automated drones and cars
- Sense of Privacy = Loss of Privacy
- Notions of Ownership = Ownership not as important

Same themes as the Forbes article. Not a coincidence. And mastermind Klaus Schwab wrote this article himself. Straight from the horse's mouth. The difference between that Forbes article and this one is that it is apparent that Schwab is being a bit vague about the specifics. But it's apparent that the other lady is stating the same vision.

Schwab and Co. keep going on and on about how we need to "reset capitalism" and an endless array of similar phrases. They are clearly seeking radical change.

An Australian Senator also interprets the aims of the WEF as extreme:

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/the-great-reset-is-crazy-kooky-stuff-which-aims-for-no-private-property-by-2030/video/89852f7d31c1960fec83113a60069df7

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The Great Reset is ‘crazy, kooky stuff’ which aims for ‘no private property by 2030’
November 17, 2020 - 23:18PM

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan says the World Economic Forum’s plan for the Great Reset is “crazy, kooky stuff”.

Mr Canavan said the Forum recently released a video clip outlining that by 2030, “they don’t want anyone to own property”.

“You’ll own no property and you’ll be happier apparently,” he said.

“This stuff is crazy, kooky stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Canavan

According to his bio he's an Australian Senator, an Economist, and former Minister of Resources. How is it that he understands that the material they produce represents what they want and what this is but you don't?
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« Reply #292 on: July 16, 2021, 08:45:15 AM »
The debunk article which claimed it was false that the World Economic Forum wanted us to own nothing was clearly a lie. The WEF authored a Forbes article about it:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=7b3be43a1735

That's the exact same article the Reuters piece discussed, and I linked to it a few posts back. You haven't discovered anything new here; you're just revealing that you haven't been paying attention to the things you're responding to. So, like the Reuters piece said, the existence of that article does not mean that the scenario described therein is a "goal" for the WEF or something they've set an "agenda" for, and like I said, the scenario is impossible with today's technology.

Are you talking about this Reuters article?

The Reuters link is talking about a video. The Forbes article is neither linked or mentioned at all. That's incorrect. The article is clearly trying to sell us the concept as a utopia, and goes into it with more depth than the video did, which represented it as a prediction. They like the concept enough that they are making videos and writing articles about it, and imagining a society based on the concept.

At the bottom of the Forbes article it says that it was written ahead of their annual meeting

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This blog was written ahead of the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting of the Global Future Councils.

Ida Auken is a Young Global Leader and Member of the Global Future Council on Cities and Urbanization of the World Economic Forum,

The person who wrote that article is a Danish Politician and former Minister of the Environment:



The video that Reuters refers to is an outgrowth of Auken's blog post, which you already cited, "Welcome to 2030. I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy, and Life Has Never Been Better"

In an update, which Reuters also referenced, she states:

"Author’s note: Some people have read this blog as my utopia or dream of the future. It is not. It is a scenario showing where we could be heading – for better and for worse. I wrote this piece to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.

Written by Ida Auken, Member of Parliament, Parliament of Denmark (Folketinget)
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https://futurism.com/welcome-2030-nothing-privacy-life-better

Not to mention at the bottom of every article published on the WEF site it has the caveat "The views expressed in this article are those of the author alone and not the World Economic Forum."

Lastly, the article and video were from like 2016. You know, a few years before Covid. So how is it relevant to this thread?

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« Reply #293 on: July 16, 2021, 09:31:48 AM »
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Some people have read this blog as my utopia or dream of the future. It is not. It is a scenario showing where we could be heading – for better and for worse.

Even in her response to the criticism she suggests that she thinks that it's a scenario that we're heading for, "for better and for worse". Was she writing an article about what she doesn't think is going to happen? No. She clearly wouldn't be writing something she didn't think could happen. The video was about what the WEF predicted, and was paraded around with their logo. The article describes the vision more at length.

Her vision is nearly identical in its themes to Klaus Schwab's vision in his article. You did not even address that. I also notice that you didn't address all of the Marxist and socialist crap that they spew, and their wanting to 'reimagine capitalism', redistribute wealth, or anything else that fits hand-in-glove with this.

She's in the Global Leader Under 40 group and is on the Global Future Council on Cities and Urbanization of the World Economic Forum:

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Ida Auken is a Young Global Leader and Member of the Global Future Council on Cities and Urbanization of the World Economic Forum

Obviously she represents that organization and the argument that she doesn't represent WEF is blatantly wrong.

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Lastly, the article and video were from like 2016. You know, a few years before Covid. So how is it relevant to this thread?

They are using Covid to push through their Great Reset that 'reimagines' and 'resets' capitalism.

https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset

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"The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world" - Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/affluence-bigger-threat-than-coronavirus-scientists-capitalism/

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The World Economic Forum has called for a great reset of capitalism in the wake of the pandemic.



I'm of the opinion that we don't need to change the nature of capitalism because of Covid or climate change. Maybe you can tell us in your own words why capitalism needs to be changed because of the Covid. Lets hear your arguments in favor of this.
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« Reply #294 on: July 16, 2021, 03:21:49 PM »
I'm of the opinion that we don't need to change the nature of capitalism because of Covid or climate change.
Tom, you cannot possibly believe there is anything remotely resembling capitalism in action in today's world.

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« Reply #295 on: July 16, 2021, 05:12:52 PM »
I'm of the opinion that we don't need to change the nature of capitalism because of Covid or climate change.
Tom, you cannot possibly believe there is anything remotely resembling capitalism in action in today's world.

Well yes, we are already so socialized with heavy regulations, taxes, and social programs that it's obvious that these are just socialists and communists who want to go all the way with it now. Give a hand, they take an arm.

Notice that the liberals here can't muster even the weakest defense on the views of needing to "reimagine capitalism" to deal with Covid. It's extremist and ridiculous on its face. They are also hesitant to disavow it, because if you are still a Democrat at this point you are practically a full blown socialist/communist wanting to see through anything that falls in line with your views, even if they appear to be crazed rantings of a bond-villain born in Nazi Germany.

Listen to this short clip of how Fidel Castro described his system of government and compare it to what the Democrats and liberals are chanting:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1415661579887157252/pu/vid/1280x592/I4KX-5icDahFA2fo.mp4
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« Reply #296 on: July 16, 2021, 05:29:20 PM »
Anyway, back on topic, France is upping the ante.

Macron is done politely pleading with the French to get vaccinated.

He is now playing hardball and came with the shock announcement that life for the unvaccinated will become miserable.

"From the beginning of August, the health pass will apply to cafés, restaurants and shopping centres, as well as in hospitals, retirement homes and medical and social establishments, and also on planes, trains and buses for long journeys. Again, only those who have been vaccinated and tested negative will be allowed access to these places," Macron said earlier this week.

The prospect of not being able to do anything fun during the summer and beyond made people jump into action.

In the first 24 hours after the speech, more than a million people booked vaccination appointments – 20,000 per minute. A record since the start of the campaign.

Vive la France!
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« Reply #297 on: July 20, 2021, 11:17:13 AM »
The Netherlands is leading the world in innovative ideas again. You can now go to Haarlem for a jab and a blind date while you wait to be allowed to leave the testing centre. The idea is to help single people for whom the lockdown has been particularly lonely.
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« Reply #298 on: July 20, 2021, 01:16:24 PM »
That's an awesome plan.

Here our public health authorities just told people during the peak of the pandemic that if they had to keep hooking up with tinder dates, they should do it doggy style, reverse cow girl or use glory holes.

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« Reply #299 on: July 20, 2021, 01:18:12 PM »
That’s right, Canada’s government fucks.
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