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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: February 15, 2024, 08:31:29 PM »

Putin endorses Joe Biden for POTUS. Very interesting.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: The Science of Forgiveness

« on: February 14, 2024, 11:45:53 AM »

In general, I think most people are so focused on the acts of others they fail to focus on the most important thing and that is their individuality.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 14, 2024, 11:41:42 AM »

Quite a few people here who don't understand how NATO works, is funded, or the difference between state's own defence budgets and NATO contributions.

Nobody owes outstanding money to NATO. There are not a lot of unpaid NATO invoices lying around in offices in Europe.

I would think not. Most European governments probably just shred the envelope without even looking at the invoice inside.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 13, 2024, 08:42:34 PM »

Some are, yes.  Would you like to point out the relevant ones?  Or is every election ever rigged?

I am relatively sure you do not understand the definition of relevance, only to then claim that some elections are not somehow relevant, given your attempt to recast the rigged 2016 Democrat primary as "technically not rigged."

Actual history is that elections are rigged.

You tell me how I'm supposed to interprite this.  All elections, only American elections?  Only elections where Trump ran?

And I say technically because they didn't change the results, did they?  They simply backed Clinton before the primary results.  A bad move on their part.

Much like how the RNC is backing Trump before he's the nominee.

Actual history is that elections are rigged.

That is the statement.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 13, 2024, 05:53:17 PM »

Some are, yes.  Would you like to point out the relevant ones?  Or is every election ever rigged?

I am relatively sure you do not understand the definition of relevance, only to then claim that some elections are not somehow relevant, given your attempt to recast the rigged 2016 Democrat primary as "technically not rigged."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 13, 2024, 05:48:56 PM »

Well, you should because wars are, in general a bad thing.

Seems you want everyone to be involved in one, though.

And you got that from me thinking it's bad that Trump said that he'd "encourage" nations to invade countries who don't pay their NATO subs, did you? Interesting take.

No, I got that from your written support for all of the current proxy wars being waged across the globe and other expressed support for what amounts to war through terror.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 13, 2024, 12:25:47 PM »

Well, you should because wars are, in general a bad thing.

Seems you want everyone to be involved in one, though.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 13, 2024, 12:23:22 PM »

Oh no, they publicly displayed the DNC's very weird emails where you learned that the DNC was corrupt! Good thing you made sure to just get mad at Russia about it instead of trying to fix any corruption.

That's completely irrelevant and you know it. Putin did not target the DNC and release their emails out of a sense of altruism or opposition to corruption. He did it to pursue his own political agenda, one that happens to be deeply hostile to America and its interests. That's election interference. The fact that you personally don't care about it and don't think it should be a crime (something that you have in common with Trump) doesn't change the fact that it is a crime and it is something that this nation takes very seriously. Never mind the fact that if the DNC did not rig the primary tto begin with, there would have been nothing to disclose. "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"

FTFY

I'm more interested in why thats something you think is bad?
By rigging it for Clinton, Trump was able to win.
The DNC intentionally made sure Trump would win!

ITT^LD asking why rigged elections are bad and querying why the DNC would want to make sure a lifelong Democrat (aka TRUMP) would win.

Technically the primary wasn't rigged, the DNC promoted one candidate over others.

Kinda like how the RNC kept Trump from being primaries in 2020.

ITT^LD claims revisionist history and opinion articles count more than actual live events.

Oh, so your history is that the democrats rigged the 2016 election so Trump would win?

Actual history is that elections are rigged.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 12, 2024, 08:42:35 PM »

Oh no, they publicly displayed the DNC's very weird emails where you learned that the DNC was corrupt! Good thing you made sure to just get mad at Russia about it instead of trying to fix any corruption.

That's completely irrelevant and you know it. Putin did not target the DNC and release their emails out of a sense of altruism or opposition to corruption. He did it to pursue his own political agenda, one that happens to be deeply hostile to America and its interests. That's election interference. The fact that you personally don't care about it and don't think it should be a crime (something that you have in common with Trump) doesn't change the fact that it is a crime and it is something that this nation takes very seriously. Never mind the fact that if the DNC did not rig the primary tto begin with, there would have been nothing to disclose. "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"

FTFY

I'm more interested in why thats something you think is bad?
By rigging it for Clinton, Trump was able to win.
The DNC intentionally made sure Trump would win!

ITT^LD asking why rigged elections are bad and querying why the DNC would want to make sure a lifelong Democrat (aka TRUMP) would win.

Technically the primary wasn't rigged, the DNC promoted one candidate over others.

Kinda like how the RNC kept Trump from being primaries in 2020.

ITT^LD claims revisionist history and opinion articles count more than actual live events.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 12, 2024, 02:47:22 PM »

Oh no, they publicly displayed the DNC's very weird emails where you learned that the DNC was corrupt! Good thing you made sure to just get mad at Russia about it instead of trying to fix any corruption.

That's completely irrelevant and you know it. Putin did not target the DNC and release their emails out of a sense of altruism or opposition to corruption. He did it to pursue his own political agenda, one that happens to be deeply hostile to America and its interests. That's election interference. The fact that you personally don't care about it and don't think it should be a crime (something that you have in common with Trump) doesn't change the fact that it is a crime and it is something that this nation takes very seriously. Never mind the fact that if the DNC did not rig the primary tto begin with, there would have been nothing to disclose. "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"

FTFY

I'm more interested in why thats something you think is bad?
By rigging it for Clinton, Trump was able to win.
The DNC intentionally made sure Trump would win!

ITT^LD asking why rigged elections are bad and querying why the DNC would want to make sure a lifelong Democrat (aka TRUMP) would win.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 12, 2024, 01:14:24 PM »

Oh no, they publicly displayed the DNC's very weird emails where you learned that the DNC was corrupt! Good thing you made sure to just get mad at Russia about it instead of trying to fix any corruption.

That's completely irrelevant and you know it. Putin did not target the DNC and release their emails out of a sense of altruism or opposition to corruption. He did it to pursue his own political agenda, one that happens to be deeply hostile to America and its interests. That's election interference. The fact that you personally don't care about it and don't think it should be a crime (something that you have in common with Trump) doesn't change the fact that it is a crime and it is something that this nation takes very seriously. Never mind the fact that if the DNC did not rig the primary tto begin with, there would have been nothing to disclose. "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"

FTFY

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 08, 2024, 10:46:20 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67649497

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-05/trump-house-gop-leaders-reject-senate-border-ukraine-aid-deal

They are not.

Holy shit, I think that all the news I read about BILLIONS IN AID to the Ukraine must have been FAKE NEWS!
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts#:~:text=The%20Joe%20Biden%20administration%20and,Economy%2C%20a%20German%20research%20institute.

Really... You're need to build strawmen needs to be controlled.  No where did I say the US sent no Aid.  I'm also referring to recent events. 
Like this one:

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/budget/2023/12/06/ukraine-aid-in-peril-as-senate-republicans-walk-out-of-heated-briefing/

The last aid package to be passed was part of the overall 2023 budget and not a separate bill. 
Specifically:
H.R.2617 - Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023

Which had only 11 nay or not voting (all republicans).
So why are they against it now?

Strawmen? The claim was Republicans are for Putin.

Republicans are supporting Ukraine against Putin.

"Recent events..." LOL...

Then why hasn't a new aid bill passed already?  Surely it would have been easy back in December when the talks began, yes?

Why haven't you caught on there are no "Republicans"?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 10:04:26 PM »

Of course America has sent tons of aid to Ukraine overall, but the point is that in recent months, the GOP have suddenly become opposed to sending Ukraine further aid. It's not a coincidence that this radical shift in opinion is occurring as Trump is once more capturing the hearts and minds of Republican voters. The GOP are abandoning Ukraine so they can appeal to Trump, and Trump's opposition to sending Ukraine aid is, as his his political opinions usually are, an entirely personal whim on his part rather than an informed decision. Putin flatters Trump and caters to his fragile ego, and so Trump decides that therefore America mustn't do anything against Putin's interests, and the GOP promptly follows suit.

^All of this is quite hilarious.

Ukraine is a corrupt country, with a long history of supporting criminal activity for criminal gangs involved in human trafficking and money laundering.

Of course the criminal element occupying US Government would want to support it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 10:01:04 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67649497

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-05/trump-house-gop-leaders-reject-senate-border-ukraine-aid-deal

They are not.

Holy shit, I think that all the news I read about BILLIONS IN AID to the Ukraine must have been FAKE NEWS!
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts#:~:text=The%20Joe%20Biden%20administration%20and,Economy%2C%20a%20German%20research%20institute.

Really... You're need to build strawmen needs to be controlled.  No where did I say the US sent no Aid.  I'm also referring to recent events. 
Like this one:

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/budget/2023/12/06/ukraine-aid-in-peril-as-senate-republicans-walk-out-of-heated-briefing/

The last aid package to be passed was part of the overall 2023 budget and not a separate bill. 
Specifically:
H.R.2617 - Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023

Which had only 11 nay or not voting (all republicans).
So why are they against it now?

Strawmen? The claim was Republicans are for Putin.

Republicans are supporting Ukraine against Putin.

"Recent events..." LOL...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:51:39 PM »

Two more weeks...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:49:43 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67649497

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-05/trump-house-gop-leaders-reject-senate-border-ukraine-aid-deal

They are not.

Holy shit, I think that all the news I read about BILLIONS IN AID to the Ukraine must have been FAKE NEWS!
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts#:~:text=The%20Joe%20Biden%20administration%20and,Economy%2C%20a%20German%20research%20institute.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:45:58 PM »

When somebody makes some image that is coming from their mind, they are "fabricating' it.

The implication in the way you use that word is that they are trying to deceive. This is untrue.
If it were they wouldn't mark visualisations as such, they wouldn't state when images are composites.

That is the point. Any images purported to to originate from "outer space," are intended to deceive.

The images of "exoplanets," are the same, even more so.

Yes they are.

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/blue-marble-photo-50th-anniversary-snap-scn/index.html

The iconic photo, known as “Blue Marble,” was taken by NASA astronauts Eugene “Gene” Cernan, Ronald Evans and Harrison Schmitt on December 7 using a Hasselblad camera and a Zeiss lens, about 45,000 kilometers (28,000 miles) away from home, as the Apollo 17 crew made its way to the moon.


"Oh my God, look at that picture over there! There's the Earth coming up. Wow, is that pretty!" Bill Anders shouted at fellow astronaut Jim Lovell. "You got a colour film, Jim? Hand me a roll of colour, quick, would you?"
"That's a beautiful shot," said Lovell as Anders clicked the shutter and captured what has become one of the world's most famous photographs.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230511-earthrise-the-photo-that-sparked-an-environmental-movement

NASA as a source again. They already admitted to photoshopping the earth on several occasions, I think one of those instances was on Earthrise.

I fixed that last part, as there is nothing to support the claim it is required.

it doesn't need supporting, it's an obvious truth. Someone referenced the story of the 5 blind men and the elephant above and it's a good analogy. The men all felt different parts of the elephant and came to different conclusions about what an elephant must be like. None of them had enough data to be correct. In the same way, looking around your local area and thinking "looks flat to me!" is not sufficient to determine the reality of its shape, that observation can be explained in multiple ways. One of which is that the earth is flat, but alternative evidence shows that it is not.

It is an obvious truth only to you and re-adherents. Given the great amount of evidence right up against us, and the well-documented instances of space agencies of various countries fabricating data, the alternative evidence can be summarily dismissed.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 06:33:25 PM »

I may have missed it, but it seems there was nothing in your reply that actually contradicted anything I wrote. So, thank you for posting the confirmations.

Right, I wasn't contradicting you.  Except that this is not generally true "It is important to note the routes taken today have remained essentially unchanged."  Most of the routes today are nothing at all like they were when bubble sextants were the in thing.

No, I was just adding some information that's more up-to-date than your Sopwith Camel vintage stuff.

Do I always have to contradict someone?

If the routes are different, I would expect you to post evidence of that. You didn't. As a matter of fact, however, the example you provided with Lindbergh is very much "essentially," the same as those taken today.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax

« on: February 07, 2024, 12:39:27 PM »

-snipped for brevity


Everything you are saying can simply be turned around and used as evidence against a flat earth as well. For example:

- The spherical earth is based on direct evidence that anyone can see. If you do not like the spherical earth, it remains based on the evidence right up against all of us.

^Must assume additional evidence not immediately against us in order to even make the statement.

- Why are you rehashing the "sinking ship"? AATW put that to bed a while ago.

AATW has done nothing of the sort.  Tom clearly stated the effect was inconsistent. Which it is, despite AATW's protestations otherwise. He goes on to write that because all ships (we might as well add any object traveling on any surface) traveling away from the observer disappear from view eventually, it must be due to the horizon based on Earth's sphericity. Well, the fact is there are limits on visual acuity and other factors at play. In one thread, he tried to foist off a picture of a masted ship behind a very evident wave as evidence of globe earth and was slapped down very quickly by Pete.

- You think you would see the same stars showing themselves in different hemisphere's, but they don't? Why?

No, nobody thinks that. The reason is the evidence shows they are not visible to everyone in different areas of the flat earth plane. They would not because the stars occupy different areas of the celestial sphere above our heads.

- Flat Earth Community members have been demonstrably shown to lie to the public at large. That is a fact. (for a few examples, refer to "Behind the Curve").

I am unfamiliar with Behind the Curve. I do not know if they lied or not in the documentary. If they did, it does not alter the evidence right up against us.

- Samuel Rowbotham has been proposing and showing a flat disk earth in book's to the public at large for over 100 years.

Samuel Rowbotham is dead. His book lives on.

- I suppose you are going to tell us this was all real too.

The evidence right up against us is very real.

Have you ever considered an opposite argument to your belief that space is a hoax, where:
- perhaps it is because jet air travel does exist that aircraft manufacturers have been demonstrably shown to lie. (i.e. they are competing and will do everything they can to win air travel dominance -- i.e. the Boeing 737 Max scandell.)

Everybody lies. Relevance to your OP? Or more OP derailment by the author?

- perhaps it is because hybrid and electric vehicle ground travel does exist that auto manufacturers have been demonstrably shown to lie. (i.e. they are competing and will do everything they can to win auto travel dominance -
- i.e. the Volkswagen scandell).

Looks like more OP derailment by the author.

- perhaps it is because space travel does exist that space companies (agencies and private alike) have been demonstrably shown to lie (i.e. they are competing to win space travel dominance and be first to explore -- i.e. the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster)

Space travel dominace? LOL! They all cooperate!

You really should just take a break. You are all over the place and have lost the ability to formulate cogent statements in support of your view.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: February 07, 2024, 09:32:15 AM »

Not one bit of what you provided had to do with 2016.

What about the US Government that is interested in securing the US border?

Seems they are more interested in securing the borders of Ukraine (against Putin, by the way) and Israel.

Can you even see straight, given all the crapola you have spewed lately?

WEAK...Weak...

We had a deal to strengthen the border that everybody liked but your daddy Trump ordered his minions to kill it before they even read it.
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/05/trump-maga-senate-border-deal-mcconnell

Trump wants to screw up this country and tell us that he is the cure.

You remind me of the frightened senior citizens living in Northern Minnesota stockpiling weapons to fight off waves Mexican immigrants sweeping through the countryside. They believe all the stupid shit they see on NewsMax and don't understand where the food in this country really comes from.

Dude, you were ten years old in 2016. You think Trump is securing the nation and it's borders? He couldn't even secure his own twitter account (hacked 3 times).

Dude, you think the Republicans are supporting Putin, yet are voting to spend billions in support of Ukraine in defense of their border against Putin.

You are very funny. Cannot even keep your own story straight.

Umm... They aren't doing that.  They are, very loudly, saying they won't unless Israel gets a bunch of money.  Or were.  Now they want to scrap everything because their god said so.

Umm...they are.