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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 11:57:37 PM »
I don't use streaming services to watch shitty US sitcoms. I can find them everywhere on the web, in part and in their entirety, not just on Hulu and Netflix. So you're going to have to shut down my entire interwebs. How do you post here and not know this?
I don't need to brick up a river to stem its flow. If I cut back the amount of access that is readily available, people will watch less ... partly because they'll have seen all the things they want to watch elsewhere and partly because many can't be bothered to hunt for stuff late when they are tired. I'm not trying to make every citizen go to bed on time every night. I'm nudging the population towards a more sensible lifestyle. some will, some won't, but those who will then save my health service billions.

See above. It's not just streaming services, it's everything. Again, how do you not know this?
Nudging.
https://govinsider.asia/innovation/six-ways-governments-nudging-citizens/

And do you have data on the health risks of watching shitty US sitcoms at 3:01 AM?
Do you think it is good for you to get not very much sleep? I don't need a fucking scientist to tell me things that are common sense.

"Sensible" as defined by you. Scary.

There's nothing in that article that references sleep deprivation and "nudges" governments.

Do you have any data stating that people are getting less sleep because they are staying up past 3 AM watching shitty US sitcoms?

I'm pretty sure it's a universal truth that it's a blessing that you wield zero political power and have zero guidance sway over any portion of the populace.

And you want to mandate all of this, but have a problem wearing a mask into a shop.  ::)
Again ... I don't intend to force anyone to do anything.

My manifesto changed corporate behaviour to nudge citizens to make better choices.

But you are forcing people. You can't watch TV after 3 AM = You can't go into a shop without a mask. So you're forced to have to find another way to consume media content after 3 AM if you want and you're forced to have to find another way, maybe delivery perhaps, to get from a shop what you want w/o a mask. What's the difference? Both mandates could be for be the betterment of health, right?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 08:54:02 PM »
I know you didn't say that, but where does it stop? I mindlessly binge-watch plenty of shitty US sitcoms on my computer via the internet at 3 AM. Are you going to stop me from doing that?

I'm going to stop streaming services from providing that service. You can do what you like. Maybe you will use a VPN? But my nudging stopped millions of people ... not all people, but millions from staying up all night watching trash TV.

I don't use streaming services to watch shitty US sitcoms. I can find them everywhere on the web, in part and in their entirety, not just on Hulu and Netflix. So you're going to have to shut down my entire interwebs. How do you post here and not know this?

So now you are taking something away from me because you don't like shitty US sitcoms? You disapprove of the content and are saving me from myself. You're worse than any existing mandate and basically acting as thought police.

No, you can watch shitty sitcoms. But not at 3am. This isn't hard. You can't buy a beer at 3am either. The pubs are shut by law. I am only stipulating the hours at which they companies can offer their services. That is very common already. Construction companies are not allowed to operate near built up areas all through the night. Most airports have to stop operating at night. I'm asking streaming companies to do the same.

See above. It's not just streaming services, it's everything. Again, how do you not know this?

And do you have data on the health risks of watching shitty US sitcoms at 3:01 AM?

So now you've defined adult behavior as not watching content in the wee hours in my own home? What if I don't have work tomorrow?
I don't give a fuck. Maybe you work nights. Doesn't matter, the pubs still shut regardless of YOUR waking hours.

What if I said I found public swimming facilities a cesspool of bacteria and we apparently don't have the necessary means of properly maintaining them with adequate standards and governmental resources for safety testing and mitigation measures. So we are now shutting them all down. And bicycling has been deemed very dangerous. The health benefits don't outweigh the amount of infrastructure and resource needs, e.g., bike lane construction/maintenance, health services, etc. So, bicycling has been banned. Because that's my decision based upon my health benefits assessment.

Yes, but you are a half wit and I am Thork. I have been ushered to leadership upon a wave of popularity and thrust into the seat of power. People want my guidance. No one has voted for you in my manifesto scenario. You're just an angry neck beard who is looking for things to complain about.

I'm pretty sure it's a universal truth that it's a blessing that you wield zero political power and have zero guidance sway over any portion of the populace.

And you want to mandate all of this, but have a problem wearing a mask into a shop.  ::)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 08:01:01 PM »
- What if I make my own chips and am eating them in public?
I'm not stopping you.
So it's not illegal like me cooking my own meth?

Does a cop come up and bust me for eating contraband chips?
No, I made a change to weights and measures. what you do in your own home is up to you. 

I'm not in my own house, I'm munching on a street corner.

I'm an individual, not a corporation. But now I have to spend 10 days in the hole and pay a fine for being in possession of illegal fried potato strips.
You aren't selling potato chips. Therefore, you can serve them out in any quantity you like. But if you want to sell them to the public ... 40g bags please.

So if I sell them at 41g a bag, I'm busted? What's the penalty? I'm just an individual, how is that a corporate thing?

- I'm a small independent single-owner shop keeper. I'm going to put bars up to only let the slim get in - What if someone just wants to buy some shampoo, toothpaste, and toilet paper, but they are too portly to squeeze in?
I only applied the law to fast food outlets and bakeries. McDonalds don't sell shampoo to the best of my knowledge.

I sell fast-food type items and baked goods in my little old corner store. Along with shampoo, toothpaste, and toilet paper. I'm not a corporation.

What if I decide not to put bars up? Am I fined, imprisoned? I'm just a person, not a corporation.
If you are a business owner, sure. You can be imprisoned for not complying with the law. That's pretty much how life is anyway.

I'm not a corporation, I'm an individual. How is this only corporate oriented?

- I have no problem with compulsory cooking lessons. But then you are now going to have to mandate what a cooking teacher can cook as far as recipes go. Have fun with that.
Its called a syllabus. If you can mandate what kids learn in History class, you can mandate which basic meals they should learn to cook.

Like I said, have fun with that. Who mandates what the approved recipes are? Some may say vegan is the only healthy diet that should be taught. Some may say keto. Who decides?

- Shutting down TV? What's next, you're going to have corporations shut down internet access between those times too?
I didn't say that, did I? Mindlessly binge-watching box sets of shitty US sitcoms until 3am isn't the same as checking your facebook before you go to bed.

I know you didn't say that, but where does it stop? I mindlessly binge-watch plenty of shitty US sitcoms on my computer via the internet at 3 AM. Are you going to stop me from doing that?

Where does it stop? What if I'm swing-shift, work evenings, nights?
Then you will be used to things being shut when you are working.  ::)

So now you are taking something away from me because you don't like shitty US sitcoms? You disapprove of the content and are saving me from myself. You're worse than any existing mandate and basically acting as thought police.

I can't watch TV when I get home from work? The government is now denying access to information - That seems pretty draconian to me.
Turning off Netflix is no different to making sure the pubs shut at closing time. No, you cannot drink until 4am on a Tuesday, and no, you can't stay up all night watching Squid Game. You've got work tomorrow. If you can't be an adult, my government will help steer you in the right direction and will do it by preventing corporations from leading you astray.

So now you've defined adult behavior as not watching content in the wee hours in my own home? What if I don't have work tomorrow? Saturday and all. What if I said I found public swimming facilities a cesspool of bacteria and we apparently don't have the necessary means of properly maintaining them with adequate standards and governmental resources for safety testing and mitigation measures. So we are now shutting them all down. And bicycling has been deemed very dangerous. The health benefits don't outweigh the amount of infrastructure and resource needs, e.g., bike lane construction/maintenance, health services, etc. So, bicycling has been banned. Because that's my decision based upon my health benefits assessment.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 06:32:54 PM »
Wearing a mask is "subservient", and the government is stoking fear. Yet your mandates, banning chips, metal bars in front of shops only allowing the emaciated to get in, no TV after midnight, vilifying fat people, that's at all not subservient and stoking government fear? What's the government penalty for eating banned, contraband chips in your new world order?  I thought you were against most government intervention in people's personal lives. Now you seem super gung-ho at the government peering into your cabinets and checking your scale and penalizing you accordingly. What a bizarre thorkian twist.

None of my laws were laws against the public. That is the difference. all of my laws were laws at corporations that have made people sick in the last 60 years.

Changing weights and measures of sweets dictates to a corporation ... but they already have all kinds of laws like you have to metal detect your goods and weigh them before you can sell them. I'm adding corporate nudging to change lifestyles.
If Netflix must shut between midnight and 8am ... how is that different to any other shop having trading hours?
Putting bars on a shop to make sure only slimmer people can enter for their own safety and health is no different to putting a height restriction on people wanting to use a rollercoaster. And again, it's the shop that is being mandated at ... not the public.
School is compulsory anyway. Why would making the lessons in it such as cooking or sports be any more draconian.

Every suggestion forced corporations to make the changes. Our government never takes on corporations. Instead they want to force me into being vaccinated, force me to wear a mask, force me to work from home, force me to self isolate. Governments attack people and their sovereignty. I would have gone after the corporations instead because a corporation is a legal entity but it doesn't have feelings.

Actually, they are all against the corporations and the public .

- What if I make my own chips and am eating them in public? Does a cop come up and bust me for eating contraband chips? I'm an individual, not a corporation. But now I have to spend 10 days in the hole and pay a fine for being in possession of illegal fried potato strips.
- I'm a small independent single-owner shop keeper. I'm going to put bars up to only let the slim get in - What if someone just wants to buy some shampoo, toothpaste, and toilet paper, but they are too portly to squeeze in? What if I decide not to put bars up? Am I fined, imprisoned? I'm just a person, not a corporation.
- I have no problem with compulsory cooking lessons. But then you are now going to have to mandate what a cooking teacher can cook as far as recipes go. Have fun with that.
- Shutting down TV? What's next, you're going to have corporations shut down internet access between those times too? Where does it stop? What if I'm swing-shift, work evenings, nights? I can't watch TV when I get home from work? The government is now denying access to information - That seems pretty draconian to me.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 05:39:22 PM »
You want your government to mandate all of that, but you think government mask mandates are an overreach?

You have to look at it from his perspective.
If he isn't affected, its not overreach.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner. I'm not someone who needs health policing. I look after myself. It is why I get so annoyed when a guy who looks like he could die at any minute starts issuing mandates. Shitty mandates at that.


^This is a man who never exercises. Ever. A man with poor sleep hygiene. A man with a dreadful diet who is flushed red with his sky high blood pressure. A man who dives into his medicine cabinet every time he picks up a sniffle and fills himself with drugs. I don't want a man like that giving me health advice. He knows fuck all about health. Look at him.

I'm healthy. If people lived a little more like me, we wouldn't have all these health issues. And so yes, if you want to treat your body badly and go outside of what is sensible, then you need to be picking up the bill if we have socialised health care. You need higher premiums. Your premiums are low because people like me aren't accessing the services. I'm paying for you.

So that's Chris Witty, kinda the UK's version of the US's Fauci?

How do you know so much about his exercise & sleep regime and his diet? Or that he over medicates himself? You seem to have this inside track of information about virus strains and health practices of UK officials that no one else seems to have - How do you do it?

So you have to wear masks in shops and you get tested when arriving in the UK? Is that really that burdensome for you? Seems like a fair precaution not knowing whether this variant is worse than Delta or not. Where's the mandatory work from home bit?

Or do you know something about Omicron that no else does? You're acting like you do.
I know that this variant cannot be allowed to just pass without action. It is a great opportunity for government. They must maintain the fear. They must maintain the mantra that citizens need them.
Quote from: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59426353
European stock markets have fallen after the boss of Moderna cast doubts on the effectiveness of vaccines against the new Omicron Covid variant.
^Oh, that's very very convenient. Yup, that'll keep people subservient until February.

Wearing a mask is "subservient", and the government is stoking fear. Yet your mandates, banning chips, metal bars in front of shops only allowing the emaciated to get in, no TV after midnight, vilifying fat people, that's at all not subservient and stoking government fear? What's the government penalty for eating banned, contraband chips in your new world order?  I thought you were against most government intervention in people's personal lives. Now you seem super gung-ho at the government peering into your cabinets and checking your scale and penalizing you accordingly. What a bizarre thorkian twist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 05:32:03 AM »
You want your government to mandate all of that, but you think government mask mandates are an overreach?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 29, 2021, 10:55:44 PM »
Apparently, you missed a bit from your article:

"We don't yet exactly know how effective our vaccines will be against omicron but we have good reasons for believing they will provide at least some measure of protection.
"If you're boosted, your response is likely to be stronger so it's more vital than ever that people get their jabs and we get those boosters into arms as fast as possible."


You stated I'm not vaxxed against Omicron. How would you know? And what does your claim that somehow you know vax's don't work for Omicron have anything to do with your government stripping you of your civil liberties?

Do you know something about Omicron that no one else does?
??? No one cares about the facts. Least of all, governments. How will you be TREATED now we have a new variant? Answer: As though you haven't been vaccinated again. Go put on your masks, work from home and live exactly like you did before the 'world saving' vaccines were developed.

From your article:

The new restrictions are as follows:

    - Anyone arriving in the UK will be asked to take a PCR test for Covid-19 by the second day and must self-isolate until they provide a negative test.
    - All contacts of people who do test positive with the suspected variant will have to self-isolate for 10 days. The Government confirmed that this applies to children.
    - The rules on face coverings are changing. They will become compulsory on public transport and in shops from next week, but not including hospitality. Teachers and pupils in Year 7 and above are now being "strongly advised" to wear masks in communal areas outside classrooms in England.


So you have to wear masks in shops and you get tested when arriving in the UK? Is that really that burdensome for you? Seems like a fair precaution not knowing whether this variant is worse than Delta or not. Where's the mandatory work from home bit?

Or do you know something about Omicron that no else does? You're acting like you do.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 29, 2021, 08:15:06 PM »
lol @ anyone who thought that they were, or ever would be, fully vaxxed



I guess I'm fully vaxxed now. Cool.
Nope. You aren't Omicron vaxxed.

Do you have some sort of direct line to the researchers around the world trying to determine how transmissible and how severe illness could be from Omicron and the efficacy of current vax's against it? Apparently, you know something no one else on the planet knows yet. Delusions of grandeur?
If being able to read is a 'delusion of grandeur', sure.

My government already told us how it wishes to strip us of our civil liberties using omicron as the excuse. And they don't give a crap if you're vaccinated or not. We all get treated as 'not'.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/29/new-covid-rules-uk-omicron-variant-tests-face-masks-christmas/

Apparently, you missed a bit from your article:

"We don't yet exactly know how effective our vaccines will be against omicron but we have good reasons for believing they will provide at least some measure of protection.
"If you're boosted, your response is likely to be stronger so it's more vital than ever that people get their jabs and we get those boosters into arms as fast as possible."


You stated I'm not vaxxed against Omicron. How would you know? And what does your claim that somehow you know vax's don't work for Omicron have anything to do with your government stripping you of your civil liberties?

Do you know something about Omicron that no one else does?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 29, 2021, 07:47:53 PM »
lol @ anyone who thought that they were, or ever would be, fully vaxxed



I guess I'm fully vaxxed now. Cool.
Nope. You aren't Omicron vaxxed.

Do you have some sort of direct line to the researchers around the world trying to determine how transmissible and how severe illness could be from Omicron and the efficacy of current vax's against it? Apparently, you know something no one else on the planet knows yet. Delusions of grandeur?

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Flat Earth Projects / Re: Untrustworthy quotation in the wiki
« on: November 29, 2021, 05:04:15 AM »
Another British tabloid, the Express, had a similar poll from its readers back in 2019. "Out of 8,352 votes, 5,089 (61 percent) said the landings actually happened."


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is on the other side?
« on: November 27, 2021, 07:57:05 PM »
Stack, hear where I'm at and correct me if I'm wrong.  The Himawari 8 satellite is so high in the sky that it can take an entire shot of the Eastern Hemisphere in one shot.

Correct.

And if the world is round, that's all you can ever ask a satellite to do.

I don't think so. As you could have a non-geostationary satellite, at that distance, orbiting around an entire sphere, and/or capturing the entire sphere revolving.

But if the Earth is flat, then is it not conceivable that the Himawari isn't high enough to capture both the Eastern and Western Hemispheres in one shot?

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

As for the "other side" we have a NOAA geostationary imaging satellite over the Western Hemisphere, the GOES 16. It too captures a full disc image just like Japan's Himawari 8, "The default scan mode concurrently takes a full disk (Western Hemisphere) image every 15 minutes, an image of the Continental U.S. every five minutes, and two smaller, more detailed images of areas where storm activity is present, every 60 seconds (or one every 30 seconds). Alternatively, ABI can operate in full disk mode, continuously imaging the full disk every five minutes."

The GOES 16 maintains a similar altitude as the Himawari 8, 35,780.2 km (22,232.8 mi). From GOES 16:



So now we have both "sides", the Eastern & Western Hemispheres.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is on the other side?
« on: November 27, 2021, 07:21:08 PM »
If its GeoStationary that means it always orbits above Japan/Austalia.  They cannot capture the entire Earth without a Composite.

I think you've missed the point. It is geostationarily locked over the entire Eastern Hemisphere. (Being that conventionally, there are 4 hemispheres: North, South, East, and West) Of course you couldn't capture an entire sphere by looking at just one side of it, so to speak. You obviously can't see the back of a sphere from the front. Nor the back of a plane from the front. The point is it captures a "full disk" image over the Eastern Hemisphere, as it's called, roughly half of a conventionally understood spherical earth. The question is, if it's capturing a full disc image and it looks decidedly spherical, then the back side is the Western Hemisphere - Is the Eastern Hemisphere flat and "the other side", the Western Hemisphere the flat other side of it?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is on the other side?
« on: November 27, 2021, 06:28:06 PM »
The satellite may be to close to earth to capture a large field view which may be necessary to see a big big earth.

Himawari 8 is geostationary and about 35,791 km (22,239 mi) away.

The Advanced Himawari Imager onboard can produce images with a resolution down to 500m and can provide full disk observations every 10 mins and images of Japan every 2.5 minutes. It's the full disc images that I'm talking about. It's far enough away to capture an image from the perspective of hovering, so to speak, over the Eastern Hemisphere. Here's what I mean, a full disc infrared shot taken about 15 minutes ago:



From where I am, it's basically a shot of what's on the "other side" from me.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is on the other side?
« on: November 27, 2021, 06:03:29 AM »
I don't mistrust the images.  It's about 1/10th the distance to the moon so it's still very close by flat earth standards.  (Sorry for the late response I was gathering details)

No worries on response time. I don't know what this means, "It's about 1/10th the distance to the moon so it's still very close by flat earth standards." What are "flat earth standards"?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is on the other side?
« on: November 27, 2021, 01:28:11 AM »
This was obtained using the AKARI infrared satellite.   Like visible images in space, Infrared Telescopes use mirrors and lenses to capture Radiation from Celestial Objects that are produced from Heat and then uses a computer to translate that Radiation data into a visible image - Thats just a basic understanding I just read.

As an aside, they need to operate in very dry and cool temperatures at almost absolute zero via atmosphere and coolant systems in order to detect heat radiation from sky objects without picking up heat "noise" from the telescope or surrounding environment.  This particular satellite used to orbit at very high altitudes to avoid the warm atmosphere of earth before its coolant ran out.  Neat stuff.

Agreed, super neat stuff. I've never seen these images before. Thanks for turning me on to them.

Question, why believe these satellite images and perhaps not believing images from other satellites? Like another Japanese satellite, the Himawari-8:


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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is on the other side?
« on: November 26, 2021, 11:26:34 PM »
Here's another photo of the Milky Way Galaxy with Heat Seeking Infrared Cameras.  You can almost see a star at one end and a hot disc below it.  However, the "sun" I propose in this photo is actually opposite the side I had assumed the Habitat was on so take my findings with some hesitation. 


https://www.scientificamerican.com/gallery/the-milky-way-in-infrared/

How was this image obtained?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is beyond the south pole?
« on: November 26, 2021, 11:23:13 PM »
Who they are is subject to speculation, but Admiral Byrd speaking with such occupants is not surprising to me...if he really said that anyway.  It just goes to show that there's still a lot of stuff unexplored.

Sure, there's tons of stuff about UFO's, UAP's, whatever we call them now. But that has nothing to do with Antarctica and the fact that's it's been fairly well-traversed and many countries have bases there, people have sailed all around it, walked across it and flown over it. And you can go there with enough time and money.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is beyond the south pole?
« on: November 26, 2021, 08:59:29 PM »
I don't know about Admiral Byrd's Hollow Earth Theory but his statements about other-worldly beings with flying craft is probably a reference to UFO's and their inhabitants.  There's definitely been a connection with atomic energy and UFO activity and the US Gov't is going full forward on Acknowledging these craft exist and trying to determine who's flying them.

Where are you getting these "statements" from?

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You are assuming that it's always circular for all times of the year. The wider Flat Earth community generally holds that light curves and behaves as if it were coming through a magnifying dome in the Monopole model, and that the daylight area sometimes changes shape upon the earth as the sun proceeds southwards:

That first video uses a hemisphere hunk of a glass magnifier, not a dome. If that is representative of reality we'd all be squashed by it. Better would be an upside-down glass bowl.

I didn't think you were a 'domer'. Are you?

No, I prefer a bi-polar model and don't think the sunlight necessarily takes those shapes. That type of behavior is the general argument for the Monopole model though.

What shape(s) does sunlight take on the bi-polar model?

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You are assuming that it's always circular for all times of the year. The wider Flat Earth community generally holds that light curves and behaves as if it were coming through a magnifying dome in the Monopole model, and that the daylight area sometimes changes shape upon the earth as the sun proceeds southwards:

That first video uses a hemisphere hunk of a glass magnifier, not a dome. If that is representative of reality we'd all be squashed by it. Better would be an upside-down glass bowl.

I didn't think you were a 'domer'. Are you?

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