Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack.Except UEFI doesn't prevent you from installing service packs.
Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack.Except UEFI doesn't prevent you from installing service packs.
Thork doesn't use Google so its possible his searching yields results from an alternate universe.Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack.Except UEFI doesn't prevent you from installing service packs.
Except we still haven't heard back from Thork about making sure windows was all up to date. I have done a basic search on it and haven't found any information about hybrid drives and windows 8.1.
I am fully aware you need to have all your updates done before you can upgrade. That is written on every search you come across. However once you get sick of that piece of advice because it isn't helping and you search on, other reasons come to light.Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack.Except UEFI doesn't prevent you from installing service packs.
Except we still haven't heard back from Thork about making sure windows was all up to date. I have done a basic search on it and haven't found any information about hybrid drives and windows 8.1.
It should act as one unit. The OS shouldn't know its on a flash card and the bios shouldn't care.I am fully aware you need to have all your updates done before you can upgrade. That is written on every search you come across. However once you get sick of that piece of advice because it isn't helping and you search on, other reasons come to light.Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack.Except UEFI doesn't prevent you from installing service packs.
Except we still haven't heard back from Thork about making sure windows was all up to date. I have done a basic search on it and haven't found any information about hybrid drives and windows 8.1.
My OS is on the Card. So no, obviously I can't turn it off and hope the windows store will suddenly display the update as ready to go. Also, surely I want the update on the fast ssd card and not on the 500gb super slow hdd.It should act as one unit. The OS shouldn't know its on a flash card and the bios shouldn't care.I am fully aware you need to have all your updates done before you can upgrade. That is written on every search you come across. However once you get sick of that piece of advice because it isn't helping and you search on, other reasons come to light.Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack.Except UEFI doesn't prevent you from installing service packs.
Except we still haven't heard back from Thork about making sure windows was all up to date. I have done a basic search on it and haven't found any information about hybrid drives and windows 8.1.
Is it possible to turn off the SD card and let all the data run from your mechanical HD?
Because it doesn't make sense.My OS is on the Card. So no, obviously I can't turn it off and hope the windows store will suddenly display the update as ready to go. Also, surely I want the update on the fast ssd card and not on the 500gb super slow hdd.It should act as one unit. The OS shouldn't know its on a flash card and the bios shouldn't care.I am fully aware you need to have all your updates done before you can upgrade. That is written on every search you come across. However once you get sick of that piece of advice because it isn't helping and you search on, other reasons come to light.Normally I agree, however going from 8 to 8.1 is pretty similar to installing a service pack.Except UEFI doesn't prevent you from installing service packs.
Except we still haven't heard back from Thork about making sure windows was all up to date. I have done a basic search on it and haven't found any information about hybrid drives and windows 8.1.
Is it possible to turn off the SD card and let all the data run from your mechanical HD?
Why won't you just accept that it is not possible to update because you can't write to that drive and the only way around it is to change the bios and completely reinstall?
The ONLY thing that messes up OS booting is the UEFI if it doesn't have your OS's digital signature and you have secure boot enabled.
Well ok. A few settings like ATA vs AHCI can stop the OS from booting. But that alters the HDD interface.The ONLY thing that messes up OS booting is the UEFI if it doesn't have your OS's digital signature and you have secure boot enabled.
Not necessarily.
I bought a new laptop yesterday, and decided to give Windows 8.1 a try (the machine came with Windows 8). I did not encounter Thork's problem, but fuck, that was the most ridiculous upgrade procedure I've seen in my life.
First of all, the upgrade file is 3.6GB. Just... what. Seriously, what. If the upgrade fails for whatever reason (not like it'll tell you the reason anyway), the temp files are deleted. Super helpful, thanks Windows.
Oh, and it failed 3 times. Because why not?
Anyway, eventually it didn't fail, or rather it failed less massively. It then proceeded to show me unmoving progress bars with helpful descriptions of what's currently going on. Examples include:
- Preparing upgrade
- Making changes
- Getting info
- Finishing up a few things
- Taking care of a few things
Oh, and the successful upgrade itself took 2 hours and a half, not including download times.
I upgraded a surface pro at work last week. It took a staggering 19 hours. We have superfast broadband but it made no difference. the windows store seemed to be throttling it down to virtually nothing.I bought a new laptop yesterday, and decided to give Windows 8.1 a try (the machine came with Windows 8). I did not encounter Thork's problem, but fuck, that was the most ridiculous upgrade procedure I've seen in my life.
First of all, the upgrade file is 3.6GB. Just... what. Seriously, what. If the upgrade fails for whatever reason (not like it'll tell you the reason anyway), the temp files are deleted. Super helpful, thanks Windows.
Oh, and it failed 3 times. Because why not?
Anyway, eventually it didn't fail, or rather it failed less massively. It then proceeded to show me unmoving progress bars with helpful descriptions of what's currently going on. Examples include:
- Preparing upgrade
- Making changes
- Getting info
- Finishing up a few things
- Taking care of a few things
Oh, and the successful upgrade itself took 2 hours and a half, not including download times.
Took my Surface Pro ten minutes to upgrade. Your laptop is double plus retarded.
I did it on a surface RT at work in about the same time.I upgraded a surface pro at work last week. It took a staggering 19 hours. We have superfast broadband but it made no difference. the windows store seemed to be throttling it down to virtually nothing.I bought a new laptop yesterday, and decided to give Windows 8.1 a try (the machine came with Windows 8) . I did not encounter Thork's problem, but fuck, that was the most ridiculous upgrade procedure I've seen in my life.
First of all, the upgrade file is 3.6GB. Just... what. Seriously, what. If the upgrade fails for whatever reason (not like it'll tell you the reason anyway), the temp files are deleted. Super helpful, thanks Windows.
Oh, and it failed 3 times. Because why not?
Anyway, eventually it didn't fail, or rather it failed less massively. It then proceeded to show me unmoving progress bars with helpful descriptions of what's currently going on. Examples include:Oh, and the successful upgrade itself took 2 hours and a half, not including download times.
- Preparing upgrade
- Making changes
- Getting info
- Finishing up a few things
- Taking care of a few things
Took my Surface Pro ten minutes to upgrade. Your laptop is double plus retarded.
I am sceptical about your 10 minute claim on a surface pro.
I am sceptical about your 10 minute claim on a surface pro.
the surface took about 2 hours after the download was complete. I'm still doubtful of your claims. That surface had next to nothing on it. Its just used for testing in house apps.I am sceptical about your 10 minute claim on a surface pro.
Read PP's post again you dolt, I'm not talking about download speeds.
Its so hideous to use. Its neither a laptop nor a tablet. Its the bastardised child of both. So many of its features are incredibly dumb.
everything is too small to touch with your finger so you end up trying to use the mousepad, which is also shit, so you have to plug a mouse in.
And then there is the tablet style keyboard. Designed by a complete idiot.
Tablets are designed to be held in one hand and used in the other. Putting a split keyboard on it is an act of madness. Your free hand is dotting all over the place.
Then there is its weight. I think it has a depleted uranium battery.
Couple that with windows 8's awesome concept of making everything at least 5 clicks away and you have the electronic equivalent of tramps vomit.
The point is it fails at both. Its too heavy and badly designed to use as a tablet. It doesn't portrait and windows itself doesn't work as a touch screen interface. Its awful as a laptop. The keypad gives no feedback because its flat, the screen is tiny and its not very powerful compared with proper laptops.Its so hideous to use. Its neither a laptop nor a tablet. Its the bastardised child of both. So many of its features are incredibly dumb.
Vague nonsense, personally insulting an inanimate object instead of relaying an actual negative aspect.
Unless your fingers are the width of a stylus you are going to struggle to pick a document from a folder out of a 1920x1080 10 inch display.everything is too small to touch with your finger so you end up trying to use the mousepad, which is also shit, so you have to plug a mouse in.
Not a problem, I don't have fat fingers.
Its likely you don't use it. I'll bet you put the surface on a desk like a laptop and use it like that. Why? Because its not designed to be held in your hand. Ergo, its crap.And then there is the tablet style keyboard. Designed by a complete idiot.
Never had issue with it.
I have an iPad. On the subject of knowing what I am doing, you know that I write professional apps for both?Tablets are designed to be held in one hand and used in the other. Putting a split keyboard on it is an act of madness. Your free hand is dotting all over the place.
If you wanted a tablet maybe you should have bought an iPad. It fits your "I have no idea what I'm doing" personality more.
You should post a picture of your massive guns. Its pretty easy to be Arnie from behind your keyboard.Then there is its weight. I think it has a depleted uranium battery.
Maybe go to the gym once a decade or something.
Neither works. My point is that Microsoft have got it massively wrong and ended up with a dreadful machine. Actually you have ended up with a dreadful machine. They have ended up with 1000 of your dollars. You idiot.Couple that with windows 8's awesome concept of making everything at least 5 clicks away and you have the electronic equivalent of tramps vomit.
I'm not a big fan of windows 8, but I honestly don't think Windows 7 would work better with a touchscreen interface.
The point is it fails at both. Its too heavy and badly designed to use as a tablet. It doesn't portrait and windows itself doesn't work as a touch screen interface. Its awful as a laptop. The keypad gives no feedback because its flat, the screen is tiny and its not very powerful compared with proper laptops.
Unless your fingers are the width of a stylus you are going to struggle to pick a document from a folder out of a 1920x1080 10 inch display.
Its likely you don't use it. I'll bet you put the surface on a desk like a laptop and use it like that. Why? Because its not designed to be held in your hand. Ergo, its crap.
I have an iPad. On the subject of knowing what I am doing, you know that I write professional apps for both?
You should post a picture of your massive guns. Its pretty easy to be Arnie from behind your keyboard.
Neither works. My point is that Microsoft have got it massively wrong and ended up with a dreadful machine. Actually you have ended up with a dreadful machine. They have ended up with $1000 of your dollars. You idiot.
An iPad Air is 463g. A surface pro is 903g. It feels like a tablet from 2002.The point is it fails at both. Its too heavy and badly designed to use as a tablet. It doesn't portrait and windows itself doesn't work as a touch screen interface. Its awful as a laptop. The keypad gives no feedback because its flat, the screen is tiny and its not very powerful compared with proper laptops.
Seriously? You really, truly think its too heavy? That's just sad.
I'm 5' 10" and 11 stone. ::)Unless your fingers are the width of a stylus you are going to struggle to pick a document from a folder out of a 1920x1080 10 inch display.
Uhh, no. I think you're fat.
In one arm? What, like a baby? So you just agreed that its too heavy to hold and comfortably read etc in one hand for any length of time. Nice contradiction.Its likely you don't use it. I'll bet you put the surface on a desk like a laptop and use it like that. Why? Because its not designed to be held in your hand. Ergo, its crap.
It's completely balanced on both sides. You could hold it anywhere and it won't be lopsided. I.e. it is designed to be held in one arm quite easily.
God loves a trier.I have an iPad. On the subject of knowing what I am doing, you know that I write professional apps for both?
You do all sorts of things, Thork, and you're not particularly good at any of them.
I don't need to cradle my iPad in my arm. Do you use your wanking arm?You should post a picture of your massive guns. Its pretty easy to be Arnie from behind your keyboard.
It's not heavy, Thork, you're just weak. Get over it.
I don't pay for any of my tablets or phones. Work does. My iPad cost me nothing. I could take home the google nexus, surface pro, Samsung galaxy or iPad mini. But I took the iPad as my day to day tablet because its the best of the lot. There is an endorsement. I can have any of those for free, and I took home the iPad. In fact the others just sit in the office mosly unused because all the developers at work opted for either iPads or Google Nexus machines.Neither works. My point is that Microsoft have got it massively wrong and ended up with a dreadful machine. Actually you have ended up with a dreadful machine. They have ended up with $1000 of your dollars. You idiot.
I paid $800 for both the tablet and keyboard combo off E-bay. Sounds like you suffer from a bad case of stupid.
An iPad Air is 463g. A surface pro is 903g. It feels like a tablet from 2002.
I'm 5' 10" and 11 stone. ::)
How about you, porkchop?
In one arm? What, like a baby? So you just agreed that its too heavy to hold and comfortably read etc in one hand for any length of time. Nice contradiction.
I don't need to cradle my iPad in my arm. Do you use your wanking arm?
I don't pay for any of my tablets or phones. Work does. My iPad cost me nothing. I could take home the google nexus, surface pro, Samsung galaxy or iPad mini. But I took the iPad as my day to day tablet because its the best of the lot. There is an endorsement. I can have any of those for free, and I took home the iPad. In fact the others just sit in the office mosly unused because all the developers at work opted for either iPads or Google Nexus machines.
You paid $800 for the surface Pro? The iPad Air 128gb version is $799. Its half the weight. Has a 2048x1536 pixel screen. Takes 5MP photos. Records at 1080dp. Works in any orientation. Has 10 hours of battery time. Works on cellular as well as wifi. Has a store of 750,000 apps. And it looks nice!
The Surface Pro has a pathetic 5 hours of battery. 720 video, 720 cameras. The screen is long and skinny. Its dreadful.
Not a single rebuttal. I guess this is almost done and dusted.An iPad Air is 463g. A surface pro is 903g. It feels like a tablet from 2002.
Oh, so you do use an iPad? Good to know you really are this stupid.I'm 5' 10" and 11 stone. ::)
How about you, porkchop?
Oh, so you're not fat, you're short, tiny, and weak.In one arm? What, like a baby? So you just agreed that its too heavy to hold and comfortably read etc in one hand for any length of time. Nice contradiction.
As the first person in the argument to resort to semantics, you must be losing, no?I don't need to cradle my iPad in my arm. Do you use your wanking arm?
Semantics again. And no, I don't use my wanking arm.
The iPad is also... surprise... a fucking tablet. I needed a computerThen you should have bought one. ::)
Yeah, if only the iPad didn't run on a smartphone OS, it might actually be decent!Care to explain why this is a problem?
I'm inclined to agree with Thork here, the Surface Pro sounds exactly like a Microsoft product. Perhaps Rushy is suffering from choice-supportive bias. :PIts not very good. Please don't buy one. You'll end up bitter and butthurt like irushwithscvs.
Granted, I don't know enough to say much of substance in this discussion, so perhaps the Surface's duality as a tablet and a laptop is enough to justify it. Buuuut it does not sound very good.
Not a single rebuttal. I guess this is almost done and dusted.
If I could get one of the two for free, I'd definitely go for the Surface Pro. My 200 euro smartphone does everything an iPad does and more, just on a smaller screen. The Surface Pro at least comes with Windows, so I can do Windows things in it.Honestly, you wouldn't after using them both.
The iPad's price is also ridiculous for what it is. I wouldn't actually ever buy either one, but if given a choice between the two, I'm sure I'd get more out of a Surface Pro.Like what? I'm curious. At work we use the surface pro to push down on a noisy fan in a server to stop it buzzing.
Uh, like the ability to use Windows programs for instance?Like what? I'm curious because as I said, its too small for most things. Give an example of something you would use it for.
:th*rk:Go back to CN until you learn how to construct a sentence.
Why don't you try to explain what I'd get out of an iPad for a change?
And I'm more concerned about PPI than the actual screen size,ipad is 226 PPI, surface pro is 206 PPI.
and the Surface Pro is decent in that regard since it does display at 1080p.Yet its camera only records in 720dpi. Annoying huh?
Why don't you try to explain what I'd get out of an iPad for a change?
I did explain. Better cameras, cellular, better screen resolution, lighter, costs less, longer battery life, no crappy keypad mat, better screen dimensions, OS made for touch ...
And I'm more concerned about PPI than the actual screen size,ipad is 226 PPI, surface pro is 206 PPI.
and the Surface Pro is decent in that regard since it does display at 1080p.Yet its camera only records in 720dpi. Annoying huh?
Better cameras
, cellular
better screen resolution
, lighter
, costs less
, longer battery life
, no crappy keypad mat
, better screen dimensions
, OS made for touch ...
I still don't know why you'd pick the inferior machine just because it runs windows? If you want laptop capability, get a laptop. this does not work as a tablet and doesn't compete with laptops anywhere near the price. Its a monstrosity.
What are iPads even used for?
But here's what a surface Pro will do that an ipad won't:Are you suggesting that there are no SMB or VNC type clients for iOS? Also, a lot of newer printers can AirPrint.
Connect to a windows domain. Access to files, webpages, printers, and any special software you need to monitor your servers.
Vnc on the iPad is slow. And you can't transfer files for offline viewing easily.But here's what a surface Pro will do that an ipad won't:Are you suggesting that there are no SMB or VNC type clients for iOS? Also, a lot of newer printers can AirPrint.
Connect to a windows domain. Access to files, webpages, printers, and any special software you need to monitor your servers.
Also, what does any of this have to do with the terribleness of the Windows 8.1 upgrade process?
Get a laptop for generating content (MS office, visual studio, whatever it is you do on a laptop that can't be done on a tablet)
iPad ... has a store of 750,000 apps. And it looks nice!
The Surface Pro has a pathetic 5 hours of battery. 720 video, 720 cameras. The screen is long and skinny. Its dreadful.
July 2nd, windows store hit 100,000 apps
I hate windows 8 so much. Why are they trying to make my computer like a smartBecause touchscreen is the FUTURE
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I hate windows 8 so much. Why are they trying to make my computer like a smartThey don't. The "smartphone" functions are optional.
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This.I hate windows 8 so much. Why are they trying to make my computer like a smartBecause touchscreen is the FUTURE
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With that said the tablet has become the device to do those things on. It let's you sit on your couch and watch cat videos on YouTube instead of having to sit at your computer or to have a laptop.You have made the same mistake that Microsoft have made. They looked at the trend for desktop PCs and decided in 10 years no one will have one if they follow the sales graphs.
Tablets will become the new home PC. So Microsoft is just going with the flow.
But the market did not die. It merely split in half. There are people that generate content and people that absorb content. If you want to absorb content, you get a tablet. Light, easy to use, made for idiots. But if you want to make something, you need a PC.
When I did exactly this, you told me to get a tablet.While, ironically, being wrong. It's Thork, it's what he does.
I think you just like telling people they're wrong.
Plus air print for iPad does not support Ethernet connected printers.??? Ummm... I don't think that you understand how air print works.
I thought so too. So I re-read the apple support site and now I understand my mistake.Plus air print for iPad does not support Ethernet connected printers.??? Ummm... I don't think that you understand how air print works.
You have made the same mistake that Microsoft have made. They looked at the trend for desktop PCs and decided in 10 years no one will have one if they follow the sales graphs.
But the market did not die. It merely split in half. There are people that generate content and people that absorb content. If you want to absorb content, you get a tablet. Light, easy to use, made for idiots. But if you want to make something, you need a PC.
but sadaam, people already know enough about desktops so no one ever does any google searches about them