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Flat Earth Media / Finite Perspective and the Horizon Explained

« on: August 28, 2018, 11:11:02 PM »

I recently came across a video by StinkyCASH which, more or less, describes perspective and its finite nature.

Perspective is an oft-used reasoning FE'ers give when explaining why the sun sets or, sometimes, the sinking ship effect.

Runtime: 15 minutes.



The other branch of thought with does not use the perspective explanation is the Electromagnetic Accelerator theory.

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Flat Earth Theory / Reasoning behind the Universal Accelerator

« on: August 28, 2018, 02:45:41 AM »

On reading through the FAQ and the Universal Accelerator pages I have come to realize that we are seemingly haphazardly proposing that the earth is accelerating upwards without really explaining why. We should provide background to this deduction process.

In my view, the earth is accelerating upwards simply because that is what we observe it to be doing.

Consider the following:

Experiment 1: Step up onto a chair and step off of its edge while watching the surface of the earth carefully. If you pay attention closely, you will observe that the earth accelerates upwards to meet your feet.

Experiment 2: Now find a ball and raise it into the air with your hand and let it go into free-fall. As it does this this you should simultaneously feel the earth pressing upwards against your feet. This tells us that we are being pushed to be in the frame of reference of the earth, as the earth runs into the ball.

While the "graviton puller particles" and "bendy space" versions of gravity in Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity provide equivalent explanations to the results of the above experiments, those things are are completely undiscovered, and so, are decidedly less empirical. We can see that the earth moves upwards, while we have to imagine that there are hypothetical undiscovered puller particles or odd properties to space.

We can imagine many explanations for the phenomenon of gravity, but they will be completely hypothetical and frivolous. None are as strong as something we can directly observe and experience.

Per the question of where the energy for comes from; since it is beneath the earth and inaccessible that is a question easily left as unknown. While we can directly see and experience the mechanical action of the earth's upward movement, we are ignorant of the energy source below. The phenomenon of "gravity" is as equally deficient in its explanation for where all of the energy comes from for matter to pull matter, and that usually gets glossed over.

Furthermore, and as another point, in order for "gravity" to exist, entirely new and untestable physics must be created for that construct. The phenomenon of pushing is well established and long known to science. After all, the phenomenon of push can occur with existing physics, whereas pulling particles or bendy space requires new physics. This favors the concept of upwards acceleration.

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Flat Earth Community / YouTube now censoring and demoting Flat Earth videos

« on: August 27, 2018, 05:04:57 PM »

It appears that many people of the wider FE community are complaining that YouTube is demoting Flat Earth videos. YouTube admitted that they were planning on demoting such videos, and a spokeswoman specifically calls out Flat Earth as something to censor in this video.

On the most recent Flat Earth Podcast there was discussion about halting the "Research Flat Earth" slogan, since when you search for Flat Earth you get the Flat Earth Society, which they characterize as "full of trolls," and YouTube, which now promotes anti-FE videos. The prospects for the growth of the movement is dismal if Flat Earth is being censored.

This is important. Flat Earth was given its fair assesment in 2015, the first time in hundreds of years, and it exploded into a movement of flat earthers that is still growing. Flat earthers grew to thousands, and the subject is reaching millions of people, because no one had ever seen the evidence from that side before 2015. In 2018, it has now grown and become such a big thing that even mainstream media and the government are attempting to to stop it with censorship, ridicule and education.

Since we rank highly for Flat Earth, I believe that it is increasingly becoming our obligation to come up with some kind of scheme that promotes videos and contents of the wider Flat Earth community. We have discussed a sort of video content site in the past; which still seems like a good idea. Another idea is a Digg-like rating system, where users may submit content that gets upvoted. The old Digg had one option: You have the option to either "Digg" it, or do nothing. This type of scheme would protect from the trolls.

The current admins do not have the time to work on such a venture, and my suggestion would be to create a subdomain and give access to myself and others who would like to work on it. There are plenty of tube and rating-system type content manager systems to base this on.

What is the best way to handle the censorship of YouTube?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Is God possible?

« on: August 26, 2018, 06:12:14 PM »

For a good while in my life I did not believe that the idea of a supernatural God was even possible. However, I have since come to the conclusion that God is possible.

This conclusion was sparked from the following: Is it possible for an alien civilization to be as technologically advanced as to seem to have the powers of a God?

My answer is yes. The television series Star Trek, for example, portrays a universe with civilizations in stages of various technological developments. There are civilizations who have not yet reached the stars, there are civilizations who explore the stars, and then there are civilizations so far advanced that they can appear to manipulate matter with a thought.

If you believe that the portrayal of the Star Trek universe is possible, and that we are on a range of technological prowess which will culminate with us having God-like abilities, then the conclusion must be that God is possible.

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Flat Earth Media / Globebusters FEIC 2018 Canada Presentation

« on: August 25, 2018, 10:40:11 PM »

Globebusters made a very good presentation at the recent Flat Earth International Conference-Canada. Their presentation has been uploaded and put online in full.

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Flat Earth Media / The Earth Plane

« on: August 25, 2018, 12:27:03 AM »

Eric Dubay has come out with a book called The Earth Plane.



"The Earth Plane is a full-color illustrated science adventure story that follows a young boy and his grandfather through a series of scientific experiments and expeditions ending in an incredible discovery that our world is not at all what we have been taught!"

PDF Version

Youtube Audiobook format

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Flat Earth Media / Chicago Skyline Not a Mirage Experiment

« on: August 12, 2018, 02:46:31 PM »

Related to Bobby's Chicago Skyline thread in Media.

Man takes boat right up to Chicago and films it the entire way across the lake.

19 Minutes

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Suggestions & Concerns / Video Plugin for the Wiki

« on: August 12, 2018, 01:28:50 AM »

The Wiki seems a little limited on how we can embed video files. Would it be possible to install a YouTube/Media plugin?

Right now I am creating a clickable image like the video on this page: https://wiki.tfes.org/Atmolayer_Lip_Hypothesis

It may be better if we didn't force our users to click away from the website, however.

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Flat Earth Theory / Flat Earth Sunsets -- A Projection Effect?

« on: August 04, 2018, 06:01:37 PM »

In Earth Not a Globe the sun is a projection upon the atmosphere/atmoplane.

An illustration of the projection from the above work:



If the sun is a projection upon the atmosphere, might that provide some insight to how the sun sets?

What happens to the view in the far distance? The atmosphere eventually builds up to a point where you cannot see past. One cannot see for infinity. The atmosphere is comprised of opaque atoms and molecules, and is not perfectly transparent.

Here is a picture Bobby provided, showing that the opacity of the atmosphere changes over time, and can change the height of the horizon line.


(Click for Bigger)

In the distance the horizon eventually meets the thick atmosphere. Might the projection of the sun project onto that atmosphere in the distance, and eventually pass over the head of the observer?

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Flat Earth Media / Infrared Flat Earth Proofs

« on: August 01, 2018, 12:59:03 PM »

JTolan has performed several experiments with an infrared filter, and was able to better see distant bodies in the water convexity experiments.



He also provided this one which looks at an island:

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Flat Earth Investigations / Mars Curiosity Rover - Rock Issues

« on: August 01, 2018, 04:57:33 AM »

Take a look at the rocks in the upper left of these two images. Some of the rocks are clearly identical, albeit with sightly different lighting, but the rocks around them seem to be different in each picture.

Sources
Image 1: https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA16239
Image 2: https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA16174

Image 1


Image 2


To verify that these rocks are the same, look at the little white rocks that surround them in the foreground beneath them, and around them.

What happened to the bigger rocks around them?

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Flat Earth Projects / Open the wiki to additional contributors

« on: July 24, 2018, 10:05:57 AM »

I would like to discuss the possibility of opening the Wiki to other contributors. There are many good investigations going on. We need to document the models fully, lest this information be lost, and the Wiki is the place to do it.

I have been reading the works of sandokhan, and I think he generally has many things right and has some good, interesting information. The Dual Earth, sure. I wouldn't mind if he uses the Wiki to promote his materials.

I certainly do want all of their works in the wiki. While some may have drastically different ideas on the nature of the earth, for the most part I think we can all agree that the general "top level" goal will be to support the general model. I support the bi-polar model, as does sandokhan, but I'm not going to just replace it in the FAQ without wider agreement. It also needs to first be more fully documented, which it is not.

We should probably set some loose rules:

- If you are editing content of a page you did not create yourself, leave a comment in the comment field under the edit box

- You are welcome to add on your own theories to the pages in the wiki, or make your own page

- For fundamentally different models, you should create your own sections and sub pages

- People may generally frown if you drastically change around the FAQ without some community agreement.

- Not a rule necessarily, but making a post in the forums about new content will help you refine your ideas and show where people get lost in understanding of your explanation

Does this sound agreeable?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Round Earth Celestial Mechanics Cannot Predict the Solar System

« on: July 16, 2018, 11:43:56 PM »

I have made a new article on the wiki: Celestial Mechanics Cannot Predict the Solar System

This is a companion to my previous article, the NOAA Solar Calculator, and should both be read.

It is often alleged that we need only download an astronomy software to see that the Round Earth system predicts celestial events, and that this is a demonstration of the superiority and fact of the Round Earth model. Users on this forum have linked us to astronomy software as their evidence and refuse to entertain the idea that they are just linking to pattern-based methods rather than anything to do with the heliocentric system.

It has also been alleged that the seemingly simple math used in Astronomical calculation textbooks are "really" based on keplerian or newtonian orbital dynamics. This article addresses that.

I have collected a number of resources showing that the pervasive myth that the Round Earth Theory has been validated, to be false. I ask that any challenger in opposition demonstrates with real evidence that astronomy can predict the motions of the planets as they are described in the Round Earth Theory. More evidence than a link to an obscure pdf or unverified model. It will need to be demonstrated that a model, according to the geometry of the heliocentric system, can predict any positions of the planets at all!

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Flat Earth Media / Why I'm a Flat Earther—37 Must-See Experiments

« on: July 10, 2018, 04:57:46 AM »

A great collection of experiments which create a compelling argument that the earth is flat.

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Flat Earth Theory / Bi-Polar Model: YouTube movement catching on

« on: July 02, 2018, 09:19:12 AM »

It seems that someone has decided to look at the Flat Earth books and literature that has been around for the last one hundred years. Aside from the fact that the model is not new at all -- the Bi-Polar model became an official model of the society in the early 1900's under the leadership of Lady Blount shortly after the discovery of the South Magnetic Pole -- its a nice presentation of the basic idea.



The Flat Earth Society of Lady Blount's time (then called the Universal Zetetic Society) didn't provide a map for the Bi-Polar model, however. It appears that he is using Sandokhan's layout, to which he rightfully deserves credit.

If the author did in fact come up with this on his own, he deserves a lot of credit, although it is hard to see how, since the exact same map comes up in Google Image Search when one searches for "Flat Earth Two Pole map" or if one reads our Wiki.

Still, whatever. The author deserves good congratulations on his work on this video. Hopefully it spreads around to the YouTube community. I am glad to see that word is being spread.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Video: NASA - 1983 space footage

« on: June 27, 2018, 10:50:42 AM »

An interesting video about old space shuttle footage.

It seems hard to explain how what is seen is a "reflection of the window." There are black sections that the man disappears behind, and the man does not overlap the shuttle.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Stars Slowing as they Approach the Horizon

« on: June 27, 2018, 09:20:28 AM »

An interesting video about the stars slowing down as they approach the horizon. At the 1:15 mark the author states that "the stars get significantly closer together as they get closer to the horizon."

This contradicts the Round Earth Theory that says that the celestial bodies move at a constant speed across the sky as the earth rotates. The official Round Earth excuse is, of course, that there is a permanent mirage effect that slows down the stars, and which also reverses any observation that suggests a Flat Earth.

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Flat Earth Projects / Wiki Entry: Why we always see the same face of the moon

« on: June 22, 2018, 01:55:56 AM »

I'm starting a Wiki entry on why we always see the same face to the moon in Flat Earth Theory. Comments or additions are welcomed.

Why do we always see the same face of the moon?

Perspective Explanation

Proponents of Perspective Theory assert that there is evidence suggesting that overhead objects receding into the distance will rotate increasingly slower as those bodies increase in altitude.

Rubix Cube Example

Imagine that we had a giant solved Rubix Cube suspended one foot above our heads. When we look up we can see its white underside. Now imagine that the Rubix Cube slowly recedes away from us into the distance. We will quickly see one of the colored sides of the cube as it recedes and changes angle. The white bottom of the cube will disappear and you will only see it from the colored side.

Now imagine that we have a giant solved Rubix Cube 10,000 feet above us. It is directly over us. When the Rubix Cube recedes away from us into the distance it will take much longer for us to see the colored side of the Rubix Cube and for the white underside to go away.

The logical conclusion is that as a body increases in altitude, the slower it will turn to perspective. If we were to increase the relationship by several orders of magnitude, one may suggest that the moon is at such a great distance in the sky that it hardly changes angle at all when it moves over the observer's limited viewing area.

Ancient Greek Perspective

The Ancient Greeks believed in a Continuous Universe, where the perspective lines receded infinitely and continuously into the distance. Perspective Theory empiricists generally question this concept and hold that the foundations of perspective should be based on real world occurrences, rather than ancient hypothetical concepts of a perfect universe.


Electromagnetic Accelerator Explanation

Proponents of the Electromagnetic Accelerator assert that the light of the moon reflects a similar scene to what happens to the light of the sun. The light of the moon's face is bending upwards, and when the observer sees the moon at the horizon the face of the moon is presenting itself to the observer.

<Electromagnetic Accelerator curving light diagram, replacing the sun with the moon>

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Flat Earth Community / Flat Earth at the Salton Sea

« on: June 19, 2018, 08:50:21 PM »

Figureheads of the YouTube Flat Earth community recently got together with a Round Earth community to conduct a sinking ship experiment on the Salton Sea. A boat was sent out while observers on the shore observed to see whether it would sink or not. To the surprise of the FlatTubers, the ship sank.

Why haven't the top Flat Earthers on YouTube read Earth Not a Globe? Samuel Birley Rowbotham has an entire chapter on the sinking ship effect at sea called Perspective at Sea, where the matter is studied and determined that the sinking effect happens on the sea and is irreversible by telescope. According to Rowbotham the experiment should be done on a standing body of water, where the environment is more consistent, and it can be observed that the earth is flat.

It's not like we haven't been saying the same thing on the forums for the last eleven years, either.

That considered, why would the big names in the YouTube Flat Earth community agree to participate in this experiment on a sea? Earth Not a Globe is required reading for every Flat Earth proponent. Read the book!

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Suggestions & Concerns / Debate Club: Recap post

« on: June 19, 2018, 06:24:13 PM »

I went through the threads and I believe this was our last status:

1) Create Flat Earth Investigations - Investigate authoritative claims on any topic. Question our institutions and challenge conventional wisdom.

2) Rename Flat Earth General to Flat Earth Community.

3) Merge FE debate, FE Q&A, Rename to Flat Earth Theory - A place to examine the Flat Earth Theory.

4) Rename Flat Earth Information Repository to Flat Earth Media

5) Rename Zetetic Council Forum to Flat Earth Projects. Place the Earth Not a Globe Workshop as a subforum within Flat Earth Projects (Ideally, not seen on the main Table of Contents page)

Order as follows:

1. Flat Earth Investigations
2. Flat Earth Theory
3. Flat Earth Community
4. Flat Earth Media
5. Flat Earth Projects
            |--Earth Not a Globe Workshop

Debate Club Header on forum Table of Contents page:

Welcome to the Debate Club

The top level Flat Earth Discussion Forums are a Debate Club. As in any debate club, the goal is to exercise your ability in debate to poke holes in arguments and expose weaknesses, even if you do not believe in that position yourself. Keep in mind that this is a friendly debate. Post in the Flat Earth Debate Club and join the fun!

Are there any comments, concerns, or corrections?