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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a globe Earth the horizon should not curve
« on: April 14, 2018, 11:11:25 PM »
Farty McFartwhistle was considered by both his followers and detractors alike as being the fartiest of all whistles.



See, anyone can just type stuff...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a globe Earth the horizon should not curve
« on: April 14, 2018, 11:08:07 PM »
Rowbotham was called a doctor by his contemporaries and enemies and sources cite him as running a legitimate medical practice.

According to what sources?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a globe Earth the horizon should not curve
« on: April 13, 2018, 05:29:44 PM »
Oh well if Google says so it must be true.

Dr Rowbotham already said it drops only a foot. That's it. End of.

And what evidence did he give for the Nile dropping by only 1 foot along its entire length? Why do you choose to take his word?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a globe Earth the horizon should not curve
« on: April 13, 2018, 07:47:28 AM »
Now I understand what you are saying.

Yes, the airport is built on higher land a couple of miles away. The Nile only falls a foot.
I suspect it to be futile, but have you any evidence of your claim? A man saying so in a book is not evidence.

Dam quite conclusively proves otherwise, regardless of the state of the airport. Denial only shows you for either a troll or not understanding how a dam works. Personally still going with choice number 1.
Funny, cos man saying so on a forum isn't evidence.

Dr Rowbotham was astute in his experiments. The Nile drops only a foot.

Funny, cos man saying so in a book isn't evidence either.

What is the actual evidence for the Nile dropping only 1 foot? What 'astute' experiment did Rowbotham carry out to establish this?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a globe Earth the horizon should not curve
« on: April 13, 2018, 07:17:40 AM »
Now I understand what you are saying.

Yes, the airport is built on higher land a couple of miles away. The Nile only falls a foot.

See, like Tom you have made your trolling too obvious and spoilt the fun we all have debating with an 'idiot'.

Tone it down a little so we can all carry on pretending this is a real debate.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: April 11, 2018, 04:45:11 PM »
I can't speak to that. I don't know what they were or were not saying about the video. I don't follow them every day. In the video I provided they claim to have just been saying "lets wait and learn more."

Take a look at channel "Astro Not"

Three days ago, "Hi-Tech Science Documentary proves FLAT Earth" - "Irrefutable scientific proof: our Earth is FLAT.
The Results from the experiments of the Terra Convexa Documentary "

Today "Convex Earthers interview Alien in a bush - hilarious!" - mocking the SAME 'documentary' team.... with no attempt to delete the previous video, apparently ...

That tells me that they were able to self correct and conduct their investigations reasonably.

Perhaps most flat earthers are just honest and its not all a big hoax?

What it shows is a complete lack of ability (or will) to carry out basic research on sources of 'information' that support their bias.

Perhaps flat earth is just a hoax by a few a-holes that relies on the lack of judgement present in FE followers?

What are you talking about? I posted the trailer that I found and we researched into its background here on this forum. You saw it for yourself.

Yeah, sure Tom, you go for that story if it makes you feel better.

Meanwhile others can just read through the early posts on this thread and see what actually happened.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: On a globe Earth the horizon should not curve
« on: April 11, 2018, 03:26:21 PM »
What sort of comment is that? So they didn't go, have you? They researched what had been recorded, just like you do now.


Dr Rowbotham mentioned it, as did WM Carpenter.

It falls a foot, no crappy diagram is going to change that.

What do you mean by 'it falls a foot'? Could you produce a diagram, crappy or otherwise, that illustrates what it is you mean, and maybe explain why it is a problem for GE?

And am I right when I assume that you have no intention whatsoever of addressing my original topic, the expected straight horizon? Am I right when I assume that you have dug in, and it's going to be 'the Nile drops one foot' from here on out?
The Nile only drops in height a foot. It does not drop any further. This is proof of a flat earth.

As for the original comment, the horizon should curve on a globe earth. If earth is a globe  then the horizon would curve, instead it does not. Proof is the fact the horizon always rises to eye level, only on a flat earth would this happen.

WTF is this nonsense? The source of the Nile is at least 1000 feat above sea level, probably more (I'll look it up to double check).

Why on earth would you say this 1 feet crap?

You MUST be trolling.


>> Just checked, the source of the Nile is over 3000 feet above see level. Please stop flippantly spreading BS.

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Well duh, it's flat !

https://www.infowars.com/shock-poll-1-3-of-millennials-not-sure-if-earth-is-round/

Only 1/3?

So millennials aren't as stupid as I thought after all...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: April 11, 2018, 07:01:55 AM »
I can't speak to that. I don't know what they were or were not saying about the video. I don't follow them every day. In the video I provided they claim to have just been saying "lets wait and learn more."

Take a look at channel "Astro Not"

Three days ago, "Hi-Tech Science Documentary proves FLAT Earth" - "Irrefutable scientific proof: our Earth is FLAT.
The Results from the experiments of the Terra Convexa Documentary "

Today "Convex Earthers interview Alien in a bush - hilarious!" - mocking the SAME 'documentary' team.... with no attempt to delete the previous video, apparently ...

That tells me that they were able to self correct and conduct their investigations reasonably.

Perhaps most flat earthers are just honest and its not all a big hoax?

What it shows is a complete lack of ability (or will) to carry out basic research on sources of 'information' that support their bias.

Perhaps flat earth is just a hoax by a few a-holes that relies on the lack of judgement present in FE followers?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Radii of Certain Circles of Latitude
« on: April 10, 2018, 12:43:43 AM »
No. What happened is that I provided evidence that the horizon rose upwards when the altitude increased. When the drone increased its altitude, the horizon rose upwards in reference to the buildings.

... but didn't someone point out to you that the horizon stayed pretty much in place in the frame, and the building merely moved in the foreground as the drone rose?

Yes, the horizon pretty much stayed in the same place while the buildings fell beneath it. The horizon line was keeping level with the rising observer. It rose with the observer.

Under the Ancient Greek continuous perspective model the horizon should have dropped along with everything else.

AllAroundTheWorld predicted that it would fall rather than rise, and he was wrong. The entire premise of his thread was shown to be fallacious. Rather than addressing this failing he and others started harping on some other Youtube video about a water device and eyeballing its position with the horizon. The premise in the OP was busted. The traditional theory of perspective shown to be untrue, and all he can do is distract.

Utter BS. The horizon drops at a slower rate than the closer buildings. Exactly as standard ideas of perspective combined with a round earth would predict.

It is not shown to stay 'constant'. You are just choosing those words to describe it.

Tom Bishop if FE is true then why do you need to lie and bend the facts so much in practically every one of your posts?

It really is frustrating and mean spirited.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: April 01, 2018, 02:41:22 PM »
No one even knows what the mechanism for gravity is. There are only theories for how it works.

Yet we can measure it to the Nth degree, and calibrate measuring instruments to it...

And this tells you what it is or where it is coming from?

No one even knows what the mechanism for gravity is. There are only theories for how it works.
So?

There’s a bunch of things you have no idea about in your model, you don’t even seem to have theories.
You don’t even have a map you can agree on.

What exactly are you expecting from a budget of $0?

Clearly there is far more than a budget of zero available to FE globally.

This documentary, Mr Steam Rocket and countless other 'experiments' have been carried out so there is money, it's just no-one is choosing to spend it on serious research as they are too preoccupied with attention seeking stunts as that's all FE really is.

Meanwhile in the world of actual science there are kids building particle accelerators in their garages for under $200.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 31, 2018, 07:47:59 PM »
No one even knows what the mechanism for gravity is. There are only theories for how it works.

Yes, there are 'only' scientific theories for how gravity works.

There is, however, diddly-squat for how an FE alternative would work, and even less to support whatever it is Parallax has invented.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 31, 2018, 02:02:41 PM »
It was interesting, but certainly the second half dropped off a bit. I'm still not sure how they concluded there was another continent, but they said they want to find it so if they could it would be a manor discovery. However, I don't believe they will find anything.

As for the earth being convex, I'm still not sure how they came to that reasoning, nor where they got that design of the earth from. The continent's were sort of jumbled up and it looked untidy.

Despite being a flat earther, I do believe in gravity. Believe it or not, it does not disprove the FET. It seems to be a more modern thing that gravity doesn't exist, it really does.

Yes, gravity certainly does disprove FET. Why else would folks need to come up with something as wild as UA?
No it doesn't, there's no definite proof gravity pulls things into a ball, it's only a theory and cannot be proved because it's an incorrect theory. The force of gravity does not only come from the centre, it exists all underneath the world, so with the force pulling down on all points it cannot possibly pull everything into a ball because the force of gravity is spread evenly across the world.

Even Dr Rowbotham didn't disprove gravity, he acknowledged it's existence.

Gravity (using the commonly accepted definition of gravity) certainly does go against FET.

If you are unilaterally going to make up a force with different properties to those ascribed to gravity and name it gravity as well that's up to you, but you can't expect others to just go along with that.
I'm not 'making it up', the force of gravity is not scientifically proven to come from the core, its a theory. It is actually spread evenly underneath the earth, pulling down together. It is not only pulling down from the earths core.

And that is an opinion you have arrived at given your personal understanding.

So like I said, you are creating another force that acts differently to how gravity is defined as working but calling it gravity.

I will go with the description of gravity that has some consensus rather than make up my own version or piggy back your version. But each to his own.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 31, 2018, 09:41:33 AM »
It was interesting, but certainly the second half dropped off a bit. I'm still not sure how they concluded there was another continent, but they said they want to find it so if they could it would be a manor discovery. However, I don't believe they will find anything.

As for the earth being convex, I'm still not sure how they came to that reasoning, nor where they got that design of the earth from. The continent's were sort of jumbled up and it looked untidy.

Despite being a flat earther, I do believe in gravity. Believe it or not, it does not disprove the FET. It seems to be a more modern thing that gravity doesn't exist, it really does.

Yes, gravity certainly does disprove FET. Why else would folks need to come up with something as wild as UA?
No it doesn't, there's no definite proof gravity pulls things into a ball, it's only a theory and cannot be proved because it's an incorrect theory. The force of gravity does not only come from the centre, it exists all underneath the world, so with the force pulling down on all points it cannot possibly pull everything into a ball because the force of gravity is spread evenly across the world.

Even Dr Rowbotham didn't disprove gravity, he acknowledged it's existence.

Gravity (using the commonly accepted definition of gravity) certainly does go against FET.

If you are unilaterally going to make up a force with different properties to those ascribed to gravity and name it gravity as well that's up to you, but you can't expect others to just go along with that.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 30, 2018, 10:41:07 AM »
Can anyone tell me why they are trying to find curvature in a body of water relative to see level?

A lake would not show any curvature relative to sea level whether the earth is flat without gravity or round with gravity. What we observe would be the same.

Or am I missing something, because I would have thought the engineers and physicists they have advising them would surely have pointed that out.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 30, 2018, 10:08:39 AM »
I haven't watched any of it yet, but if the final conclusion, based on the title, is that we are on a convex Earth, then why aren't FEers denying it?

Surely the two are mutually exclusive? If it's flat, it can't be convex, and vice versa?

It's nonsense. It is flat earth, but without a dome, heliocentric and with satellites being held up by electro magnetism - oh, and with a childrens pool bolted on to the side with a separate continent in it 😂

From what I can tell from YouTube allot of the denser FE'ers out there appear to be getting drawn in by it. Which is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 30, 2018, 09:35:53 AM »
Just the usual misunderstanding and/or misrepresenting of physical phenomena.

No better or worse than the hundreds of other silly FE YouTube videos out there, but with a bit of their own spin so they can take ownership of it (as you'd expect from someone with Urandirs apparent history).

I'm trying to research the 'engineers and researchers' used but as everyone is listed as 'cast' in the credits it's s bit hard.

Funny wording that... 'Cast' - what you'd expect from a film with actors rather than a documentary...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 29, 2018, 10:14:04 AM »
Tom - given your strong moral stance on lying to children are you going to add something to the Wiki about Santa Claus not being real either?
Why would he do that? Does the Wiki contain any mentions of Santa Claus that need rectifying?

Really? That's it?

Your contribution to the thread is to fact check a sarcastic comment?

What's the point of that?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 28, 2018, 08:24:41 AM »
Anyway, going back to your quote there is a fundamental difference there between "The Amazing Randi" and that guy -- Urandir, as claimed by your own quote, didn't do it for entertainment. He did it to trick people into joining his sect.

As far as we know he is just operating a fun adventure theme park on his ranch for the people of Brazil to escape into. That's basically what magicians do -- provide escapism from the boring real world.

Maybe the people of Brazil just go there for fun like we go see magic shows here for fun. Have you ever thought about that?

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You're digging yourself deeper if you want to bring Randi's organization into this -- it was created solely to disprove the claims of psychics and other paranormals. The organization had absolutely nothing to do with entertainment.

Its a form of entertainment. That is why Randi is featured on talk shows and speaks of big prizes, rather than writing any scientific papers or engaging in scientific research. I don't see any other scientists appearing on talk shows and announcing "prove me wrong, you'll win big money!"

There are numerous accusations that Randi does not let the people who accept his challenge even perform their feat as they claim to be able to perform it. Things along the line of "Oh you claim to be able to use a dousing rod to find water wells? Well, we've hidden a bottle of water somewhere in this building. Find it!" There is no real scientific examination of the claims.

Tom do yourself a favor and go have a lie down for a bit, your posts have completely degenerated into full on nonsense now.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Convex Earth Documentary
« on: March 27, 2018, 06:28:38 PM »
Ohh, I get it.

If I pay The Amazing Randi to perform some feats for me, which he explains with as "magic", its a social contract. But if I pay one of the people he doesn't like all that much to perform some feats, which they describe as "magic", they are frauds. Got it!

I actually think we should leave this alone now. The nonsense is actually starting to get strangely creepy.

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