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Having a hard time even connecting to this site for a response. I have a feeling the first poster didn't read my whole post. Like I said I have hundreds of gigs with p900, d3200, 4k drone over the great salt lake all through out the year. If you guys want to say that my observations are likely refraction then the refraction we see nearly every day out here comports with the globe. Also rising with a drone shows mountains in the distance become more and more visible congruently, not as if there is some kind of crazy atmospheric band. This is indicative of being on a curved surface, not flat. I also told you about my GPS observations over the bonneville salt flats, which I would think an unbiased researcher would be interested in. I have an incredible amount of data gathered over a year and a half, the great salt lake breaks flat earth in every way. Not to mention the two celestial points, equinox observations, solar eclipse and lunar eclipse. I was hoping someone from the flat earth society would be a little more serious in asking about seeing the observations, or maybe have something relevant to say, but this wasn't the case. You would think flat earthers would be interested in actually physically measuring the bonneville salt flats, or perhaps see some of the observations for what they truly tell us.

Here is what happens when you drive across the bonneville salt flats with extremely precise and expensive equipment and then model it .5% accuracy with the radius - - does this have anything to do with refraction? Soundly's bridge also had Jesse go out and do gps readings on it, showing the curve shown in the picture matches the physical dimensions. I am guessing satellites have to be denied here as well so really I will leave with this.

What can actually prove to a flat earther that they are wrong? All of the observations of the sun moon and stars work 100% on a globe model, and there is no flat earth model that compares. This includes the 2 celestial points, arc star trails at the equator, equinox and daily observations of the sun and moon. A bunch of us then went out, because of the claims of we can see too far (which has now been excused away with refraction) and did hundreds of observations that seem to match the sphere earth here on ground. All of this is denied for whatever excuse wants to be given. Like I said above if you want to just say refraction then fine, but my observations were done through out the year in different conditions with nearly the same result. GPS most likely will not be accepted because satellites are fake to most flat earthers, even though the globe model predicts where all satellites are, including the ISS that has many transit videos on youtube across the sun and the moon, which you can do yourself. What is left? Why is the standard of proof for most to be shot up in a rocket, and even then they might blame it on the curved eye or curved window effect.

The internet and reality is littered with evidence of the earth being a sphere, you guys need to go back to the drawing boards as bad as the youtube flat earthers obviously. Just saying refraction doesn't provide any predictive power, as the globe has and continues too. Like I said I can't even connect to the site 90% of the time, so I don't expect to be back. Completely can't connect from any salt lake server, had to go to a UK one..

If any one cares to see a litany of observations and actually trying to get to the truth of the matter you can find my youtube. If the earth is flat my observations should match either way.
Tim Osman

Flat Earth Investigations / Salt Lake City Observations - Need Help
« on: April 12, 2019, 07:36:31 PM »
Hi I have been conversing with flat earthers mostly on Youtube for over 4 years. I recently thought to check back with this site, as for some reason your average flat earthers on Youtube call the flat earth society controlled opposition.. When I got here I started looking around and immediately noticed how much more mature the content is here.

My main reason here would be to invite someone influential around here perhaps for a chat about the hundreds of gigs of observations I have done that don't seem to comport with what was being said about flat earth when I first came around over 4 years ago. I see Youtube flat earthers have about 100 different excuses for observations now for what we simply point out is geometry to the earth in front of us. Some excuses include - perspective, airys diffraction, angle of attack, angle of incidence, dirty air, atmospheric conditions and many more.

Some of the most notable tests I have done are on the Bonneville salt flats and the great salt lake (most times looking at salt lake city from 26 miles away on antelope island causeway) and looking and strongs knob with a 4k drone only changing altitude. I went with Jesse Kozlowski (professional surveyor of 40 years) and hit all the geodetic triangulation points with two very expensive gps devices. We also did two drives across i80 (about 40 miles straight and level) east to west getting raw ECEF data (x,y,z). We have also modeled this with an accuracy of under .5% of the claimed radius of the earth.

I am here in hopes to have a serious conversation with serious individuals who are looking for the truth and have cogent arguments. Most of the Youtube flat earth scene is a total shill festival with trolls and mouth breathers that have nothing to say but erff flat.

I came from a deep knowledge into conspiracy, I am not your average globe cuck. It took me two weeks of research to understand things like the equinox, solar / lunar eclipse, 2 celestial points in conjunction with lat / long - are extremely good evidence the sky is telling us the earth is spherical. So I also went out and did hundreds of observations with different equipment, we even brought a auto level out to antelope island for observations on buffalo point.

Also looking at even flat earth observations seem to show strong evidence of the earths geometry. We have correctly identified the peaks of Jtolans 120 mile mt san jacinto observations, showing over 6,000 feet of the mountain being obstructed. He also seemed to try and fudge his observation height, and also deleted messages when we came on nice as can be telling him about this.

This salt lake city image provided is from a nikon p900 from 26 miles at different heights. There is over 100 feet that leads up to the base of the buildings, and clearly over 220 feet of the buildings being obstructed. I can answer and questions and provide more evidence for these and other similar observations.
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Hopefully I am in the right place for cordial discourse.

Best Regards,
Tim Osman

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