...it's actually very simple, folks! It's usually the first thing that most flerfers try to dismiss (the way they do with everything else that resembles science, knowledge, facts, observations, etc.). The ships! Ok fine, not just ships, but really any object THE BOTTOM HALF OF WHICH IS HIDDEN BELOW THE HORIZON.
In trying to find something that can only be explained on a spherical Earth, I keep coming back to the same phenomenon: how objects disappear below the horizon. Right away I want to point out that all of those FE videos that supposedly bring ships back from beyond the horizon are completely missing the point: it’s not just about whether or not something disappears, it’s the fact that objects consistently disappear bottom first! It doesn’t matter what the object is (ship, building, the sun, etc.) - when it hides behind the horizon, it always does so bottom to top. I have not seen a single video or photo that shows otherwise, and none of the FE videos show anything like the bottom of the object reappearing when you zoom in. I'm sure most flerfers reading this will want to yell "perspective", but if you dig even a little deeper, it really does not explain anything... I mean, aside from things disappearing below the horizon, when have you seen anything seem to all of a sudden lose its bottom half as it moves away from you? What we actually see is that any object, no matter what shape or size, gradually gets smaller and smaller as the distance increases, eventually turning into a tiny blurry dot before it disappears completely.
I claim, therefore, that on a flat earth we should see objects get smaller and disappear into blurry dots as they move away from us beyond the horizon, and the only possible explanation for the phenomenon we actually observe is that the curvature of our planet is physically blocking the bottom portion of the object in question from our view as it moves further away from us. To stay as objective as possible, I am ready to hear and be convinced by any convincing explanation of this from the side of the FE hypothesis. Accompanying pictures/videos/sketches would be highly appreciated. I’ve searched the internet, read many articles and comments, watched some videos, and could not find anything...
ACTUAL FACTS - PART 1:
Please watch the following videos carefully and honestly tell me if you think it would be possible to observe this on a flat earth, and if so, how:
As I mentioned, it’s not just ships. Here’s the same phenomenon with the Chicago skyline as viewed from Michigan
1. Take a look at these photos:
https://joshuanowicki.smugmug.com/Looking-toward-Chicago-from-Mi/i-XVkLwR4 notice how the bottom half of the city is completely and consistently missing from all the shots, despite all the variables (e.g. humidity, temperature, lighting, elevation of the camera, atmospheric refraction and diffraction, etc.)
2. And here is how to properly calculate how much of the building should be hidden from view by Earth’s curvature:
https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ AND
https://www.quora.com/Chicago-is-59-miles-from-the-opposite-shore-of-Lake-Michigan-Given-the-earth%E2%80%99s-curvature-it-should-be-2320-feet-below-the-horizon-How-can-it-be-seen/answer/C-Stuart-Hardwick?srid=739d …as I hope you can see, this is in line with all the pictures and everything we’ve seen having actually lived in Chicago.. Here’s the normal skyline for reference, in case you’re starting to forget
https://www.flickr.com/photos/yochicago1/7988970693 Here is the same phenomenon occurring with some towers near Tel Aviv:
And of course the same thing happens with the sun at every sunrise and sunset (do I really need to post videos of this? surely even the FE'ers amongst us have seen a proper sunset over water at some point)
What possible explanation can the FE side have here?
ACTUAL FACTS - PART 2:
And here is what it looks like when an object actually moves very far away from us, as opposed to being blocked by the Earth:
Notice how the rocket gradually turns into a dot. This clearly demonstrates the concept of “vanishing point” (according to google, it’s “the point at which something that has been growing smaller or increasingly faint disappears altogether”). Notice, nothing gets cut in half here. You can surely observe the same thing by launching your drone very high up - it turns into a dot, doesn’t it?
Simply put, when objects move far away from us they get smaller and fainter until we simply can’t see them anymore - would you agree? This is not what we see with the sun, ships, buildings, or anything else that disappears behind the horizon. And the whole “perspective” thing just doesn’t hold any water here: just think of what you see at the end of a very long corridor - a blurry point! You would never see just the top half (the ceiling?) with the bottom half disappearing; instead, everything just gets smaller and blurrier. Another great example of this is all the distant stats and galaxies looking like tiny dots in the sky. Here’s a wonderful animation demonstrating this concept with the moon:
(start at 2:41, although I hope the flerfers here watch the entire video ASAP) What are your arguments against this?
Again, flatties like to suggest that this kind of a phenomenon is somehow a function of distance and perspective. Think of any truly distant object. For example, the ISS! It’s in orbit ~254 miles above us. Here’s a picture of it passing in front of the moon:
https://mk0spaceflightnoa02a.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/ISS-closeup.jpg And here’s a picture of it passing in front of the sun during the solar eclipse:
https://media.fox5ny.com/media.fox5ny.com/photo/2017/08/21/ECLIPSEISS3_1503346866006_3949527_ver1.0_640_360.jpg — notice, the whole entire thing is in view. Its bottom half is not cut off, despite all the distance. Keep in mind that on average, the horizon is only about 3-4 miles away from us! Perhaps you’ll say that we don’t know the actual distance the ISS is away from us, and we can’t trust NASA — but come on, whatever the actual distance, obviously it’s further away than just 3-4 miles. This proves that the phenomenon in question has nothing to do with distance, and has everything to do with the Earth itself blocking objects from view.
To sum it up, it is an indisputable fact that when objects are hidden below the horizon, their bottom portion is hidden first. The RE model (i.e. reality) offers a simple explanation for this, whereas the FE hypothesis has nothing.
I am hoping that some of the FE believers reading this can comprehend the information with an open mind instead of rejecting it immediately because it doesn't fit into their belief systems. Perhaps Mr. Tom Bishop can honor us with something more than just a sentence of dismissal. Sorry Tom, I don't think anyone takes you seriously anymore when you use the word "perspective" in every answer (or when you re-post the same silly youtube video that completely butchers basic concepts) -- you'll have to try harder than that. Let's see if we can get an actual debate going this time? Like where you address everything that's being posted, not just one random statement that you get to pick.
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