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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Size of the Sun
« on: May 19, 2022, 06:23:34 AM »
Not sure what you point is, Tom, but at 1.4 to 50 ppb the Moon is "made of Helium-3" like the surface of Earth is made of gold.
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What's more likely? The super powers of the world put down their weapons, all collaborated together to magically - perpetuate a round-Earth myth?
It's honestly silly that we are still talking about this in 2022.
In 2019 170,000 thousand people visited the Cook Islands which has a permanent population of just 17,000. It's already just a large air travel and hospitality and tourism industry. They clearly have infrastructure. 17,000 also doesn't include the people who travel seasonally or temporarily for work.From your own source, Tom;
Resources come from other islands and international commercial development. They aren't alone. The concept of transportation and travel exists.
May as well claim that a small town in the middle of the US is so small and primitive that it couldnt possibly be a hub for vehicle fuel and overnight stays.
You've completely failed to comprehend Gonzo's list. This is not a "bunch of reasons why a flight might be diverted". It's a (non-exhaustive) list of factors that an aircraft commander must consider when deciding which airport he/she should divert to; his point is that it will not necessarily be the nearest, or more obvious to a layman.In-flight diversions are a lot more complex than just diverting to the ‘nearest airport’, as some (including the author of that ‘book’) seem to think.
Most international airlines use a service based in Phoenix, AZ called MedLink MedAire. This is a 24/7 operation staffed by ER doctors which is the first port of call for aircraft in the air when there’s a sick passenger.
They will advise the airline on the best course of action.
Factors that need to be considered in choosing a diversion airport:
• If it’s a medical diversion, is the patient stable? Is it every second counts?
• Medical care facilities at the airport, and wider area
• Runway length, runway strength, taxiway strength, anticipated aircraft landing weight
• Weather now and forecast
• Air traffic control provision
• Airport fire fighting and rescue cover
• Fuel and aircraft servicing provision (hydraulic fuel, lubricants, steps to reach the aircraft, baggage facilities, towing capability)
• Does the airline have contracts in place with companies at the proposed diversion airport?
• Engineer/mechanic provision
• Flight crew duty hours
• Relief crew position
• Passenger services (immigration/customs)
• Accommodation for crew and passengers
• Distance from aircraft (to be comfortable for passengers, most airliners require about 10nm for every 3000ft of altitude. The descent rate could be increased somewhat if it was an emergency, but you’re still talking nearly 100nm from 35,000ft).
• Passengers on board (do they need visas to land at proposed diversion? Will they be kept on board for hours while the situation is sorted out?).
• Are there vulnerable passengers on board (i.e. people whom one country would be very keen to get their hands on? (for example the relatively recent incident over Belarus)) .
• Political concerns (i.e. A US flight might go another 20-30nm to avoid diverting to Iran and making it to UAE).
These are factors I have just come up with, and no doubt there are many more to be considered.
To second guess why a crew made a decision to divert to a particular airport with no knowledge of most of these factors (as the 'book' does) is naive in the extreme.
Happy to answer any questions on the above, if I can!
You posted a bunch of reasons why flights might be diverted, but zero reasons for why they would be diverted to a place that would make a straight line between the destinations on a Flat Earth Azimuthal map.
Pretty odd and desperate rebuttal there. Aeronautics credentials are not required to connect three points on a map.
I guess you can't really rebut the content directly and have to demand aeronautic credentials.
If you've got to be spoon fed, you could start by opening the open-source Marinetraffic.com (Jomples gave you a link if you have problems with the internet) and search the vessel Hyundai Jakarta. A data window will open, giving its alleged voyage details. Then do some maths.
So you just assumed a bunch of things and claimed it to be fact, and don't actually have data for us. I see.Read what I wrote,, and dispute the facts.
What facts? You provided no sources or links for which we can get log information from.
All of the log data is available if you have an account.
Hundai Jakarta
A path across three degrees proves this? Where are the full logs?
My understanding has always been that Tomahawk navigates by Terrain Profile Matching, in which case it could navigate with equal ease on a flat, globe or banana shaped world, as long as it has contour map data for the terrain below its course.
In other words, it navigates just the way you and I drive; by ascertaining our current position, comparing with desired position, and producing an error signal. We don't drive to the end of the street on a specific heading for a specific distance and turn left; we drive down the street, monitoring where we are in relation to the kerb and white lines until we reach the stop sign, then turn left, maintaining road position etc. We can navigate this way, using small scale maps, over any distance. Tomahawk does just the same, using terrain contours as a datum. It is only ever interested in, and bases its spatial awareness on, the terrain immediately below it.
I see zero sources on how it works to use a FE model on an RE, just "your understanding".
No response to my Reply#36? I presented a 15000km flight from Buenos Aires to Darwin, which trumps your 12500km. A flight which actually occurred, non-stop, in 2021, by an Antarctic route.A video of a flight from Santiago to Sydney taken by a flat earther, wielding a compass he clearly doesn't understand, is linked to in the wiki as evidence of the earth being flat.Ha. Nice.
It is interesting how this conversation has gone. It starts with a FE person demanding we look in to flight routes between two pairs of specific cities. When it’s patiently explained that there aren’t direct flights between any two arbitrary cities because of demand and hub-spoke models the FE person says he picked those pairs of cities because of the distance. He then challenges us to find a pair of cities further apart and when that’s done and a video review of someone taking that flight is provided it’s simply implied that could be fake. The logic contradictions and goalpost shifting are bewildering
I picked the two furthest flight routes on a Flat Earth map. But on a Globe Earth map they are quite short (12,000km and 12,500km). The fact that there are no direct flights is part of my point.
I then proved that even the shortest flights available travel the longest way possible on a Round Earth map and quite efficiently on a Flat Earth map.
The target has never moved. I asked you to find me a flight I can book.
If you can't understand what I have done then that's evidence that your faith in a round earth is grounded in nothing other than blind belief as you are unable to even conceptualise in your mind basic contrasts between how flight routes on a Flat Earth vs Round Earth should behave.