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European polls
« on: May 25, 2014, 03:21:21 PM »
Not European Poles. As in elections.

Tonight after 10pm results for the Uk election to vote MEPs into the European parliament will start to come in.

I voted UKIP. First time ever. I want nothing to do with Europe. It has seen mass immigration, wages tumble due to over supply of labour, house prices rocket, infrastructure like roads, hospitals and schools struggling to cope, and the streets of Britain turned into some bum-hole 3rd world nation. 23% of people in London don't have English as a first language. 9% don't speak English at all. Over 50% are of non-European descent.

And yet despite the destruction to our way of life, all major parties insist on pumping in more flesh for big corporations to maximise profits. Make the white Brit compete in his own back garden. Squeeze every last penny.

Anyone objecting to the fall out of our 'liberal' policies is shouted down as racist. It can't be racist to want a better standard of living, to see your kinsmen prosper. I don't care if my wanting white Brits to do better than anyone else is deemed racist. I'm a white Brit. Its natural to favour your own tribe. Everyone has always done it for thousands of years. You have an in built fear of strangers. They are the enemy. They compete for limited resources and wealth. Survival of the fittest. And we have been reduced to invasion and suffered all the ills that go with it, because our government won't protect our borders.

the only point in having centralised government is a joint defence. Its why nations formed in the first place. If the nation isn't defended, it might as well be regionalised.

I voted UKIP. I'll keep on voting UKIP, and I won't stop voting UKIP until they shut the fucking doors.

Tonight the people have their say on Europe. I had mine. May the union collapse and its people be freed.
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Re: European poles
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2014, 03:40:14 PM »
You don't think it will be bad for the British economy if the UK leaves the EU?

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Re: European poles
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2014, 03:42:08 PM »
You don't think it will be bad for the British economy if the UK leaves the EU?
No. why would it be? We may make less GDP, but its spread between less people. We have 25 million immigrants! Out of a population of 63 million.
Our GDP wouldn't drop by a third.
Our people would be richer. I don't care if a few millionaire stock holders take a hit because they have to pay higher wages.
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Re: European poles
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2014, 04:28:07 PM »
The term is "polls."

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with wanting to tighten up immigration policies if you genuinely feel that the country can't handle the influx; but including all that crap about race and tribes just adds needless controversy.  Immigrants need jobs, hospital services, roads, etc. regardless of their ethnicity.

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Re: European poles
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2014, 04:30:12 PM »
Thork is still racist, the sun still rises in the East.

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Re: European poles
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2014, 05:04:54 PM »
Mhm, talking about tribes and the sort (lalalala white people lalalala) does make you seem like a racist when you don't even have to be seen as one. Wanting to stop people moving to your country and dragging down those who have worked hard to bring the nation to where it is isn't really all that bad... providing you don't say it that way. Tricky business.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2014, 05:20:15 PM »
If we did leave the EU there would be a sudden influx of over a million expat Brits returning from Europe. They probably wouldn't be too happy about being deported from wherever they were living.

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Re: European poles
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2014, 05:48:13 PM »
If we did leave the EU there would be a sudden influx of over a million expat Brits returning from Europe. They probably wouldn't be too happy about being deported from wherever they were living.

I can't see that happening. I would picture the governments of Europe would do something to accommodate the Brits abroad.
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Re: European poles
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2014, 06:45:43 PM »
If we did leave the EU there would be a sudden influx of over a million expat Brits returning from Europe. They probably wouldn't be too happy about being deported from wherever they were living.
Those ex-pats are mostly retired. They don't need jobs. And those that do work abroad are in high skilled jobs. No one from the UK goes to Germany to seek work as a plumber.

The term is "polls."
Yeah, I was getting furious about immigrants so spelling and grammar were low on my list of priorities.

Anyway, 3 hours away from the start of results. Exit polls suggest I'm not the only 'racist' in the village. I think we've had our fill of diversity.

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Re: European poles
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2014, 06:57:06 PM »
But Thork, UKIP wants immigration. They love immigration. You should have voted BNP, you numpty.



Also, I voted Labour. I hope you're mad. :-*
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Re: European poles
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2014, 07:02:31 PM »
Of course you voted Labour. Labour are the party that opened the doors to mass European immigration. You wouldn't be in the UK if it weren't for them. The Conservatives have lost London. Rich people vote conservative. London was their heartlands. And they have lost it because Labour filled it with immigrants who all vote Labour.

I didn't vote BNP, because I don't want to see your bloated corpse floating down the Thames as they give this country the enema it so sorely needs. But UKIP will remove the right for the 380 million Europeans that have the right to work here from coming over. We can start encouraging you all to go back home after that.

Sounds harsh, but when a generation can't afford their own homes, we have to look to our people before worrying about hurting everyone else's feelings. Sorry PP.

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Re: European polls
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2014, 07:09:11 PM »
You wouldn't be in the UK if it weren't for them.
Of course I would, I would have simply been on a student visa.

I didn't vote BNP, because I don't want to see your bloated corpse floating down the Thames as they give this country the enema it so sorely needs.
Oh. Why not LibertyGB, then? They want to stop the rivers of blood.



But UKIP will remove the right for the 380 million Europeans that have the right to work here from coming over. We can start encouraging you all to go back home after that.
With a 17% popular vote across local councils, I don't think we need to concern ourselves with that. They basically stole a bunch of seats from Tories and Lib Dems, which is awesome.

Sounds harsh, but when a generation can't afford their own homes, we have to look to our people before worrying about hurting everyone else's feelings. Sorry PP.
A generation of people who lose their jobs to untrained workers who don't even speak the language of the country they're in. Yeah, blame immigration.
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Re: European polls
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2014, 07:16:06 PM »
You wouldn't be in the UK if it weren't for them.
Of course I would've, I would have simply been on a student visa.
Who set the stupidly high quotas for student visas?

I didn't vote BNP, because I don't want to see your bloated corpse floating down the Thames as they give this country the enema it so sorely needs.
Oh. Why not LibertyGB, then? They want to stop the rivers of blood.
Because UKIP has momentum. :)

But UKIP will remove the right for the 380 million Europeans that have the right to work here from coming over. We can start encouraging you all to go back home after that.
With a 17% popular vote across local councils, I don't think we need to concern ourselves with that. They basically stole a bunch of seats from Tories and Lib Dems, which is awesome.
The Libdems are pro-Europe on a frothy-mouthed scale and the conservatives keep shifting any chance of a referendum years and years into the future. UKIP votes encourage them to review that.

Sounds harsh, but when a generation can't afford their own homes, we have to look to our people before worrying about hurting everyone else's feelings. Sorry PP.
A generation of people who lose their jobs to untrained workers who don't even speak the language of the country they're in. Yeah, blame immigration.
When a 40 year old immigrant with 20 years experience rocks up and says I'll take that junior office job for £6/h, how is a kid fresh out of uni supposed to compete with that? Its not Experienced English who lose jobs.
A 40 year old Englishman couldn't do that job, because he isn't living with 10 of his immigrant friends in a bedsit with a pissed stained mattress as all his worldy possessions. He likely has a mortgage on a £250k house to service. A house he is competing to pay a mortgage on against 10 immigrants doing low-skilled jobs all sharing a similarly sized shit hole only their homes are filled with piss stained mattresses. And lice. 
Immigrants don't harm experienced workers. They harm opportunities for the young and infrastructure + housing costs. 
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Re: European polls
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2014, 07:27:45 PM »
Who set the stupidly high quotas for student visas?
I think that was the Tories. International students bring a lot of money into our community. They've strongly re-focused higher education around internationals (non-EU, mind you) within the last few years.

Because UKIP has momentum. :)
Less than Lib Dems ever had, and I don't think anyone in their right mind considers Lib Dems to be relevant.

Unless by momentum you mean things like #UKIPWeather.

UKIP votes encourage them to review that.
I strongly doubt it. The BNP had their bubble too, and just look how badly they're doing now. Not even you would vote for them.

When a 40 year old immigrant with 20 years experience rocks up and says I'll take that junior office job for £6/h, how is a kid fresh out of uni supposed to compete with that? Its not Experienced English who lose jobs.
If you know of any people like that - report them to the authorities. They're working for less than minimum wage and are probably employed illegally. Real change starts with real action, and real action starts small.

Besides, I'm 22 and I'm already on £10/h. I had no experience to begin with, I started with a shitty job and worked my way up to a decent job. Once I'm out of uni, I will have a couple of years of managerial experience. That's what will make an inexperienced person lose against me - not my nationality.

A 40 year old Englishman couldn't do that job, because he isn't living with 10 of his immigrant friends in a bedsit with a pissed stained mattress as all his worldy possessions.
Of course he could. In fact, I'm currently employing an Englishman in his 40s alongside a bunch of students (most of them British and then a couple of Malaysians).

Immigrants don't harm workers. They harm opportunities for the young.
I dunno about that. Seriously, there is a lot of work in the UK for the educated young. I could see your point if you were making it about the woefully uneducated British youth - yes, they're at a disadvantage - the Polish are simply so much better at cleaning toilets; but I don't think you have a point when it comes to university graduates.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2014, 07:32:47 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2014, 07:55:57 PM »
Who set the stupidly high quotas for student visas?
I think that was the Tories. International students bring a lot of money into our community. They've strongly re-focused higher education around internationals (non-EU, mind you) within the last few years.
Indeed. Somehow taking money to educate foreign students is seen as a good idea. Never mind many go back to China having occupied a place at Uni that an English youth could have had. And then they use that education to smash us at business because many of our young had no opportunity to go as they were priced out. Education should not be sold to the highest bidder. It should be a state secret.

Because UKIP has momentum. :)
Less than Lib Dems ever had, and I don't think anyone in their right mind considers Lib Dems to be relevant.
Not now, but 4 years ago they were the king makers. They picked Conservatives over Labour and formed a coalition with them instead.

The Libdems are pro-Europe on a frothy-mouthed scale and the conservatives keep shifting any chance of a referendum years and years into the future.
Yeah, which leaves the only rational choice - Labour.
Labour left Britain in the worst financial mess it has ever been in. I would never vote Labour as long as I lived.

UKIP votes encourage them to review that.
I strongly doubt it. The BNP had their bubble too, and just look how badly they're doing now. Not even you would vote for them.
I never voted for them in the first place. But enough is enough.

When a 40 year old immigrant with 20 years experience rocks up and says I'll take that junior office job for £6/h, how is a kid fresh out of uni supposed to compete with that? Its not Experienced English who lose jobs.
If you know of any people like that - report them to the authorities. They're working for less than minimum wage and are probably employed illegally. Real change starts with real action, and real action starts small.
I work in a town where I see raids every other day. A party van rocks up, out jump 20 guys with ear pieces and half the fast food shops and market stalls are evacuated as staff scarper in all directions. Really, get closer to London. even you will agree we have a serious problem here.


Besides, I'm 22 and I'm already on £10/h. I had no experience to begin with, I started with a shitty job and worked my way up to a decent job. Once I'm out of uni, I will have a couple of years of managerial experience. That's what will make an inexperienced person lose against me - not my nationality.
If you weren't here, do you not think anyone else can do that job? If you are so skilled, go get a job worth £10GBP in Poland. If the Poles are that smart, you must have dozens of businesses like that.

A 40 year old Englishman couldn't do that job, because he isn't living with 10 of his immigrant friends in a bedsit with a pissed stained mattress as all his worldy possessions.
Of course he could. In fact, I'm currently employing an Englishman in his 40s alongside a bunch of students (most of them British and then a couple of Malaysians).
Poor guy. That's what happens to people when opportunities are few.

Immigrants don't harm workers. They harm opportunities for the young.
I dunno about that. Seriously, there is a lot of work in the UK for the educated young. I could see your point if you were making it about the woefully uneducated British youth - yes, they're at a disadvantage - the Polish are simply so much better at cleaning toilets; but I don't think you have a point when it comes to university graduates.
Of course I do. Graduate unemployment has never been higher. and its never been higher because there are so many foreign graduates competing for opportunities. You are taking a job an English youth could have had. It doesn't matter you might have slightly better grades. I'm sure your £10/h job isn't that specialist.

The scale of immigration has been too great. I'm not interested in you as an individual. But multiply it out and its hurting people I know. My friends' kids. My neighbour's kids. The kids I see in their mid-20s still cocking about in the skate park on a Wednesday lunch time because they can't get any work. People in their 30s unable to have families because they can't afford them because wages are now so low compared to the cost of living in the Uk.

It has to be Britain for the British. I don't care how much poverty there is in Poland. Allowing Poles here doesn't solve poverty in Poland. It just brings British standard of living down to that level. Its not Britain will be richer for immigrants. Everywhere in Europe will end up equally poor. See Greece, Spain and Italy for a glimpse of the future. No borders means an osmosis of money until all money is equal everywhere. Why would I want that for my country? I want it protected from that.
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Re: European polls
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2014, 08:34:31 PM »
Indeed. Somehow taking money to educate foreign students is seen as a good idea. Never mind many go back to China having occupied a place at Uni that an English youth could have had.
I think the reasoning is that it brings a shitton of money to the country. Before the Tory-Lib Dem coalition, a UK/EU student would pay about £3,500 per year of study (still the case for those of us that started their courses early enough, like myself. I think my bill for next year came just under £4k), while a non-EU international would bring in some £26k. Now the balance is a bit closer (9k/26k), but it still means that bringing an international student in == bringing in boatloads of money. That combined with the fact that they are only allowed to work up to 20 hours a week means that they're largely forced to put much more money in the economy than they can possibly take out.

Now, I don't necessarily agree with this system, but it's not completely nonsensical.

Not now, but 4 years ago they were the king makers. They picked Conservatives over Labour and formed a coalition with them instead.
But they were forced to basically ignore their own policies for the sake of the Tories. Do you think UKIP is going to be anything else? They're even more of a bunch of populists than LDs.

Labour left Britain in the worst financial mess it has ever been in. I would never vote Labour as long as I lived.
Meh, I doubt Labour had all that much to do with Lehman Brothers going bankrupt. They didn't handle the financial crisis well, but a party like UKIP (i.e. one that doesn't have a financial policy at all) is not the answer here.

I never voted for them in the first place. But enough is enough.
Give Nick a chance. :'(

I work in a town where I see raids every other day. A party van rocks up, out jump 20 guys with ear pieces and half the fast food shops and market stalls are evacuated as staff scarper in all directions. Really, get closer to London. even you will agree we have a serious problem here.
I've spent some time near London, both in areas like those you described, and some towns near Croydon where the Jobcentre Plus is located on the other side of the road from Wetherspoon's, filled with Brits who do very little with their lives other than claim benefits from one of these buildings, and then cross the street to spend it in the other.

Certainly, this country has a number of problems. I simply do not believe that immigration is the root cause.

If you weren't here, do you not think anyone else can do that job? If you are so skilled, go get a job worth £10GBP in Poland. If the Poles are that smart, you must have dozens of businesses like that.
I fail to see your argument. You said that immigrants disadvantage the inexperienced. As an inexperienced person, I have not found that to be the case.

Poor guy. That's what happens to people when opportunities are few.
The problem is that he's uneducated and fucked his life up, so now he has to pay alimony while struggling to make ends meet.

Of course I do. Graduate unemployment has never been higher. and its never been higher because there are so many foreign graduates competing for opportunities. You are taking a job an English youth could have had. It doesn't matter you might have slightly better grades. I'm sure your £10/h job isn't that specialist.
You might have a point if you ignore the fact that the international opportunities are now plentiful, especially to UK graduates. Leaving the EU would eliminate those.

[...] Why would I want that for my country? I want it protected from that.
Then vote for a party that might actually do something about it. UKIP has no interest in reducing immigration, and they've made it clear on many occasions. In fact, their policies aim for a net increase of immigrants. There are parties out there (notably, Tories and Labour) who seek to cut down immigration while increasing the minimum wage, but without the political and economic suicide of leaving the EU.
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Re: European polls
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2014, 08:40:23 PM »
tl;dr:

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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2014, 09:20:20 PM »
Wooo, go Labour!
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