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My desire would be to keep the tone of this discussion professional and respectful, so I will start it out in that tone and hope that participants continue to follow the same pattern of behavior.

It has become increasingly popular for high school seniors to take on the planning and implementation of an experiment that has been done countless times over the decades, and that is the experiment that uses a weather balloon to carry a payload consisting of various tracking equipment along with one or more cameras where the weather balloon takes that equipment to the edge of the stratosphere while the camera records video constantly through the entire journey up to the top and even back down during descent. The evidence that the cameras record, of course, clearly shows whether or not Earth is indeed curved.

These experiments have become INSANELY affordable. In fact, High school seniors are able to fund them by working throughout the first portion of a school year where they engage in fundraiser events like candy sales, bake sales, car washes, etc. and many of them find supplemental financial sponsorships from local businesses. I'm not 100% on the cost but I want to say that the cost of doing this experiment is somewhere around $10k or less ... certainly not difficult to source that small amount - especially when considering that the collected evidence has the potential to end this debate once and for all.

I am aware that those who invest in the Flat Earth theory reject the legitimacy of the video collected where it is generally assumed that the lenses are of a fish-eye nature thus explaining the curvature of the Earth.

I would absolutely love to see this experiment performed by a group of people who are 100% invested in the Flat Earth theory so that they could guarantee no fish eye lenses were used during the experiment and I can even think of some ways to guarantee that they are never used by doing something like mounting a camera into a structure that would then have a thin horizontal bar mounted at some distance away from the camera's lens so that the bar could be seen throughout the entire video to have not ever been curved or optically distorted in any way what so ever. If that video came back showing that bar never once curved yet behind the bar the curve of the Earth could be clearly seen ... this would be a "Case closed" finality on this issue. No other evidence could ever change the reality that such a video would define and no one could refuse to accept if they are honest.

What say you? Do you think an experiment like this would be a worthy endeavor?

That experiment would also show a straight bar and a curved edge on an earth that was a flat circle, much like a place mat. A picture of a basketball is every bit as round looking in profile as a real basketball. The only thing that allows you to see the 3rd dimension of the ball is depth perception. Therefore your experiment would show exactly the same thing for a flat, but circular earth as it would for the ball that we all know it to be. You need to figure out how to incorporate a test for that missing 3rd dimension.

Flat Earth Community / Re: What are you doing here?
« on: August 27, 2023, 11:50:01 PM »
You seem confused about the subject. This is what FE is about:

A or B?

If you say B, you are a reality denier.

I seems you're relying on the assumption that water in a relatively small container, such as a 1 metre long hog trough is flat. And by flat, I mean 100% flat. If that were true, there would never be any curvature no matter how far out you extended the trough, thereby staying flat as far as you can go and proving that the earth is flat. But, that's a false premise.

The earths circumference is 40,000 kms, which is 40,000,000 m. Therefore, a 1 metre trough would have to have 360 degrees / 40,000,000 metres = .000009 degrees of curvature to it from end to end. Can you see or measure .000009 degrees? Nope. Looks as flat as flat can be, which feeds the false premise on which you base your entire point.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE radius (UAFE estimate)
« on: August 23, 2023, 06:52:02 PM »
Why does the shorter journey (Sydney - Jo'burg) take longer than a journey which appears to cover a much greater distance (Auckland - Santiago)?

Google maps says Sydney - Jo'burn is about 11,000 kms, and Auckland - Santiago, Chile is about 9,700 kms, so your premise is based on an error. Where are you getting your distances from?


As always, all the globe-earther has are assumptions that the Earth is a globe. And no tangible measurements of this whatsoever. Just fallacy after fallacy.

Hello again. On page 1 I asked you about this, but I haven't seen an answer. Here's my question:

Can I ask you about the bolded statement? When you say 'measurements', are you including surveys? AFAIK, every inch of the earth has been surveyed such that the size and shape of every land mass is known. Do you agree?

Except a compass points to magnetic north, not true north, which needs to be accounted for. I’d generally agree that could be true whatever the shape of the earth, but I don’t know what the FE explanation is for the earth having a magnetic field in the shape it does.

The other related and very important issue that needs to be considered is magnetic dip, or inclination - the earth’s magnetic field doesn’t just point north/south, but rather points at an angle to the earth’s surface. This dip angle causes all sorts of technical issues for navigation using magnetic compasses, particularly in aviation, but it also gives strong clues as to the shape of the earth.

No, it gives a clue as to the shape of the magnetic field, not the shape of the Earth.

As always, all the globe-earther has are assumptions that the Earth is a globe. And no tangible measurements of this whatsoever. Just fallacy after fallacy.

Can I ask you about the bolded statement? When you say 'measurements', are you including surveys? AFAIK, every inch of the earth has been surveyed such that the size and shape of every land mass is known. Do you agree?

Flat Earth Projects / Re: Flat Earth alternative to a globe
« on: June 24, 2023, 03:45:24 PM »
The globe distorts the shape of the world the least.

If by that you mean a 2D picture of a globe, then I agree. An actual globe gives zero distortion.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Curvature of the Horizon
« on: June 02, 2023, 03:57:49 PM »
And as you rotate 360 degrees in the middle of the ocean, you will notice that the horizon changes with each rotation as it slowly bends away from you.

No, No, No. That is exactly what does NOT happen. The horizon will look exactly the same as you spin around. Nobody seems to understand this.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Looking for curvature is a fool's errand.
« on: May 06, 2023, 03:41:00 PM »
When I travel to the other end of Lake Ontario and view my home city of Toronto from the city of St. Catharines, why does the CN Tower appear 2/3 as tall as it should?

If the Earth was flat the CN Tower should appear as-is. In the image below, you can see a Mirage Effect (eg. where the white roofed Rogers Center is smeared) but due to its gigantic height you can see how low the CN Tower dips below the horizon.

And you're another who didn't get my post.

You seem to think I'm offering a proof that the earth is flat.

I understand your frustration. I thought your post was clearly stated. These responders misinterpreted it.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Curvature of the Horizon
« on: May 06, 2023, 02:01:02 AM »
I just joined, so I'm not familiar with the posters here. I looked farther down and saw a thread called "looking for curvature of the earth is a fool's errand'. I read the first post and I think it explains everything you need to know about the topic. I didn't read the responses.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Curvature of the Horizon
« on: May 06, 2023, 01:42:24 AM »
Okay I agree that curvature of the horizon from left to right is not visible from the surface of the earth.
What I am wondering is what sort of curvature would you expect to see... would it be in a north south direction? An east west direction?

If you expect to see curvature what happens when you are in the middle of the ocean (or somewhere else where you could see the horizon in all directions) and turn around 360 degrees? Would you expect to see the horizon at a lower level when you have turned 180 degrees and then rise up again as you complete your 360 degree rotation?

Just wondering what the flat earth believers expect to see when they look at the horizon and declare "It's flat, no curvature there". But especially what would you expect to see if you could turn around 360 degrees and see the horizon in all directions. Isn't a flat horizon as you rotate around 360 degrees what you would expect to see if the earth is a sphere?

Because the flat horizon is the major point which seems to persuade people that the earth is flat. But it seems illogical to me that people would expect to see a curve down to either side when eg viewing a picture of the horizon.
Yet in reality there is curvature, but just not side to side as we look toward the horizon, instead the earth curves away from you - in every direction - as you look toward the horizon and rotate 360 degrees. And the fact that you could climb the crows nest of a ship and see further is irrefutable - after all isn't that why they had crows nests in the first place? "Land Ahoy!" So that they could see further over the horizon to see other ships coming or land in the distance. And also the curvature over the horizon is the reason lighthouses are built very tall?

You can't see the curvature of the earth. Even from space all you can see is a circle with no way of knowing if you're looking at a flat circle or a ball. You can only tell it's a ball if you have the depth perception to see the ball curving away from you (i.e. you can perceive 3d).

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