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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies

« on: January 23, 2022, 06:03:32 PM »

Fun fact: I don't live in America. Sooooo not realistic for me.
And while the hormone therapy may only take 1-2 years, you still need to diagnose said person and develop a plan for transition. And pay for it.

But, that's now how the US Collegiate NCAA interprets time-lines for transitioning.

So I guess you would just tell your biologically male daughter "great job" and your biologically female daughter "oh well"?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies

« on: January 23, 2022, 05:52:35 PM »

No... its not.
mental illness is a styigma.  If someone has say... Bipolar disorder, and you tell them "Its not ok that you have bipolar.  You should stop being bipolar" well... that's terrible advice.  But accepting that they have Bipolar and that it's ok they have it, and encouraging them to get help is also good.

"It's okay to be bi-polar... but also... it's not, get help."

I'm sure you are an excellent authority figure for children.

Indeed you will find that it’s beneficial to one’s mental health not to shame them for things out of their control. Once your algorithm progresses you will understand.

I actually didn't say anything about shaming them.

Dave could simply say: "You're bi-polar? I grew up with several mental conditions myself, probably worse than you. Psychotherapy was a big help for me. You should ask your parents."

No need to lie to them.

Rama said it quite well.

You, however, just marginized their suffering.  Just... Wow...
"Probably worse than you" is the equivilent of saying 'suck it up'.  You, as a person not experiencing their issues, should never say 'I had it worse than you' because you don't know how they have it and probably never will.

But since you have issues with understanding concepts like acceptance, let me help.

Acceptance means not having to hide.  Doesn't mean we want you to keep being sick.

Let's say you are a trans-sexual (a biological male that now identifies as a Female -- maybe you already are or aren't) and your significant other / love partner is also a trans-sexual (also a biological male that now identifies as a female Lesbian).

You both adopt a biologically male baby that has now reached the age of 19 and comes and talks to you about how He wants to now transition and identify as a Female. Obviously during that talk, your are going to be O.K. with it and give your adopted child love and acceptance.

Your 19 year old male teen (before transitioning) has been a Champion swimmer amongst all male athletes at University. Said teen comes and tells you that they are going to now compete (following their transition and hormonal treatments) in the female swimming league and ends up breaking all kinds of records.

Your straight 21 year old adopted daughter calls up her trans-sexual parents (you and your love partner), crying in despair because she feels that it's unfair competition; she's been training her whole life to be a Champion swimmer but is now (along with all swimmers competing) getting beat by her trans-sexual (biologically male) sister.

What do you tell your straight daughter in terms of acceptance?

Wow, what an oddly specific and very long scenario.

But ok.
1. One of the effects of estrogen treatments is to decrease muscle mass.
2. The process of transitioning takes years, which includes psychological evaluations.  Which means my 19 year old son will either be finished with college by then (and thus not compete) or be very deep into studies.  Assuming there's even a swim team here in college.  Not sure since college level sports aren't a thing here.
3. In the reality breaking situation where you described is true, again, said 19 year old would take years to transition so its not an issue.  But if I had to say something I'd say 'There is nothing he can do that you can't do as well.  Or better.'

Because your essentially complaining that X person is better than me.

He assumes every child is loved by their parents and have a good understanding of sexuality. 

The vast majority of children are loved by their parents. It's a thing nature does to stop you abandoning them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin

And yet child abuse is a thing...
As for a good understanding of sexuality:  maybe because they had sex ed?  Like, are pimples good or bad?  When can I get a girl pregnant?  Can you get pregnant from oral sex?

Now I'm picturing a world a generation or two down where 'Ask your parents' goes into a loop because the parents don't know shit because they weren't taught anything because their parents didn't know anything.

your parents managed to form a relationship, have sex and then produce you. The idea that they 'don't know shit' is ridiculous. A rabbit is able to set up a family. Do rabbits do sex ed? Name a single other creature that needs sex education please.

Rabbits are not humans and don't have complex societies.  They also have mating seasons, while humans do not.  They also are mature ,sexually, after 6 months of living.  And their behavior is hormone driven.  Imagine if people were purely hornome driven.  It would be like teenagers but without any filters.

So said parent goes 'Ask your teacher'.
Then kids end up using google and get nothing but porn sites.  Because that'll be healthy....

I live in a country where VPNs cost subscription money, ISPs block porn sites, browsers block porn sites, mobile phones block porn sites and search engines block porn sites. Children don't watch as much porn as your favourite tabloid newspaper might suggest.

I do not live in a country like that. USA isn't like that. But my point wasn't that they'd go looking for porn, my point was that porn would be what they found most when searching for answers. 

And unless kids today have become far more wholesome.... Porn was big when I was a teenager.  Clearly your teen days were more... Tame.

But why then would you want to have a 40 year old man talk to your child about homosexuality?

Because education is about teaching children about the world that exists, not the world Thork would like to exist.

This is the world that exists.


Until it doesn't ... let's not place children in high risk scenarios unnecessarily.

So ban teachers, got it.

According to the US Collegiate NCAA here in America, the process of transitioning takes only 1 year or so. Such has been with the latest controversy associated with the Penn swimmer who was competitive as a male in College, transitioned to a "female" and is now breaking all sorts of female Collegiate records as a biological male.

So, my scenario is not too far fetched from being a realistic one.

"There is nothing he can't do that you can't do as well" is also flawed. First, your trans-sexual biological son that now identifies as female would be offended that you named her as a "he". Second, if your straight female daughter said, "great, I want to be a Champion female swimmer at my College"; you would then have to say something like "well that might not be possible for now, as long as your biologically male sister is breaking all kinds of records".

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: FL GOP are homophobic crybabies

« on: January 23, 2022, 04:56:05 PM »

No... its not.
mental illness is a styigma.  If someone has say... Bipolar disorder, and you tell them "Its not ok that you have bipolar.  You should stop being bipolar" well... that's terrible advice.  But accepting that they have Bipolar and that it's ok they have it, and encouraging them to get help is also good.

"It's okay to be bi-polar... but also... it's not, get help."

I'm sure you are an excellent authority figure for children.

Indeed you will find that it’s beneficial to one’s mental health not to shame them for things out of their control. Once your algorithm progresses you will understand.

I actually didn't say anything about shaming them.

Dave could simply say: "You're bi-polar? I grew up with several mental conditions myself, probably worse than you. Psychotherapy was a big help for me. You should ask your parents."

No need to lie to them.

Rama said it quite well.

You, however, just marginized their suffering.  Just... Wow...
"Probably worse than you" is the equivilent of saying 'suck it up'.  You, as a person not experiencing their issues, should never say 'I had it worse than you' because you don't know how they have it and probably never will.

But since you have issues with understanding concepts like acceptance, let me help.

Acceptance means not having to hide.  Doesn't mean we want you to keep being sick.

Let's say you are a trans-sexual (a biological male that now identifies as a Female -- maybe you already are or aren't) and your significant other / love partner is also a trans-sexual (also a biological male that now identifies as a female Lesbian).

You both adopt a biologically male baby that has now reached the age of 19 and comes and talks to you about how He wants to now transition and identify as a Female. Obviously during that talk, your are going to be O.K. with it and give your adopted child love and acceptance.

Your 19 year old male teen (before transitioning) has been a Champion swimmer amongst all male athletes at University. Said teen comes and tells you that they are going to now compete (following their transition and hormonal treatments) in the female swimming league and ends up breaking all kinds of records.

Your straight 21 year old adopted daughter calls up her trans-sexual parents (you and your love partner), crying in despair because she feels that it's unfair competition; she's been training her whole life to be a Champion swimmer but is now (along with all swimmers competing) getting beat by her trans-sexual (biologically male) sister.

What do you tell your straight daughter in terms of acceptance?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: African-Americans and Americans are two different groups

« on: January 21, 2022, 09:27:48 AM »

Ever notice how when Donald Trump wanted to protect our borders it was called racism.

And when president Kamala Harris makes a comment in Guatemala to not come to America it's about protecting our borders?

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Ever notice how a Liberal claims to be accepting of everyone / everyone's differences.

But then, if you disagree with a Liberal you are suddenly marked as something along the lines of a racist or uncaring?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: January 04, 2022, 12:54:17 AM »

I've been dying of an unnamed virus for 3 days and so haven't been posting. To clarify ...

The people who happily give us shitty 3 day weather forecasts and accept no liability for them being wrong, are the same people supplying our governments with weather predictions for 10 years time and claiming the earth will heat up by 1.5 degrees and that everyone is going to die.

I'm suggesting there is a credibility gap here. We are being asked to spend billions and disrupt our way of living in more profound ways than ever before ... based on the predictions of a group of people who are famous for the inaccuracy of their predictions. If you can't see a hurricane 24 hours before it destroys half of Britain, how the hell can you predict a 1.5 degree average increase in temperature and a 1m rise in sea levels 10 years from now?

What about the people who happily give us great 3 day weather forecasts and accept no liability for them being right? These would also be the same people supplying our governments with weather predictions.

Surely there are 3 day weather forecasts that exist that are right.

As I mentioned earlier it was predicted that we would see record highs in my local area of 70 - 75F over a few days last week. This turned out to be accurate.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: January 03, 2022, 03:32:31 PM »

Here is a Meteorologist that presents the weather on TV in my local area.

https://www.actionnews5.com/authors/erin-thomas/

According to Erin's LinkedIn profile, she is a broadcaster, and a current student of meteorology at an online college.

Do you need more examples?

I don't need examples. I'm just informing you that you're mistaken about the credentials expected of TV presenters. You do not need to get defensive about it - a quick glance at Wikipedia would be more productive.

Not defensive. Just correcting your erroneous claim.

A quick glance at Wikipedia would indeed be more productive; Meteorologist Bob Ryan's Wikipedia page is attached in my above post.

Here is some more info. about him.
https://northernvirginiamag.com/culture/culture-features/2019/03/26/bob-ryan-talks-meteorology-retirement-and-his-shot-on-the-today-show/

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: January 03, 2022, 03:26:16 PM »

This is another Meteorologist. His name is Bob Ryan and he presented the weather on TV in the Washington DC / Maryland area. I remember him on the news when I was growing up in the DC / Maryland area. Bob is now retired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ryan_(meteorologist)
 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: January 03, 2022, 03:22:56 PM »

Not sure i understand your question as the weatherman that present weather forecasts in my local area on TV are Meteorologists.

If you're telling the truth, you're exceptionally lucky. Generally, weather presenters are paid actors with only the most rudimentary of training. There is no requirement for them to hold any qualification in meteorology, and the pay is too low to be attractive to those overqualified.

Here is a Meteorologist that presents the weather on TV in my local area.

https://www.actionnews5.com/authors/erin-thomas/

Do you need more examples?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: January 03, 2022, 03:17:37 PM »

3) Do you believe weatherman (i.e. on the news) are paid actors?

One moment. What else do you expect the people who present the weather in the news to be? They are very rarely meteorologists.

Not sure i understand your question as the weatherman that present weather forecasts in my local area on TV are Meteorologists.

Here is a Meteorologist that presents the weather on TV in my local area.

https://www.actionnews5.com/authors/erin-thomas/

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: January 03, 2022, 02:18:39 PM »

These questions were already asked and answered. Go back and read them and address the responses.

Tom,

Given that you believe forecasting the weather is a scam and thus are presenting a theory for a conspiracy occuring, a few critical thought questions:

1) From this assertion, what would be the motivation for news weatherman to be lying and scamming the public?

2) If weathermens motivation is money, how are they making money from this? Are insurance companies secretly paying weathermen to lie?

3) Do you believe weatherman (i.e. on the news) are paid actors?

4) Do you believe weatherman go into college or university thinking that predicting weather is possible but then when they are about to graduate or are then hired by weather companies they are then told in secret that everything they learned is a lie and a scam? Are they paid to keep the big secret going and their fake careers going? Who pays them?

5) Given your belief that forecasting weather is a scam and thus a theory of a conspiracy going on, do you consider yourself a conspiracy theorist or a zetetic / empirical observer?

6) How do you ensure that your beliefs in conspiracy theories don't fog up your empirical observations?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 31, 2021, 01:40:56 AM »

I think you're telling a white lie Thork.

I fly as well and always check the weather (as of course all pilots will do; it kind of comes with the territory).

That's how I know how often such predictions help me to plan my routes as such predictions are generally accurate including about where and when turbulence can be expected.

Metars are accurate. Those are direct observations made in the last hour. They are useful. If you are going for a little 1 hour pootle, use the metars from your local area. But, if you are going a long way away and will be hours in flight ... now you need a TAF. And now you are going to be reading stupid shit like PROB30 which means you have a 30% chance of something happening. Not very useful is it? Should I avoid such things 30% of the time? And the problem is, if I do avoid it, it might be in the place I went to avoid the thing in the first place and I still end up in it. But for me, by far the most unreliable information is cloud height in a TAF. And that shit will kill you IFR. I learned some very hard lessons about taking TAF information with a pinch of salt. And yet someone got paid to make that TAF. Paid well. And I can't sue them if I am forced to divert because they got it wrong.

Your difficult to follow in this particular thread about predicting weather because you are all over the place with bringing in other topics like climate change that are an entirely separate thread.

Bringing this thread back to center.... do you believe that when Meteorologists communicate weather forecasts that they are purposefully lying and scamming? (Tom stated that predicting weather is a scam).

Is my local weatherman part of a sinister plot to lie and scam the local public about the 10 day weather forecast?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 30, 2021, 11:33:31 PM »

Even the 3% of climate scientists who say climate change isn't an issue? They are liars too?

I believe the lie is that 3% of climate scientists say it isn't an issue. You never ever get to hear from such people. I don't believe they actually exist on someone's payroll. If they are 3% who are perpetually unemployed ... well it makes no difference.

Most coronavirus scientists are liars.

This is based on your vast knowledge of virology, biology, medicine & pharmacology?

Based on when you say one thing, then flip flop due to political pressures, yes, you are a liar. Example ... Fauchi telling people that masks don't stop the spread of coronavirus.

Some sports scientists are liars.

What's a "sports scientist"?

Quite.

Lastly, when you pilot a plane, do you refuse to check the weather forecasts prior to taking flight?

Second lastly, how much do climate scientists make off of doom porn? Is it lucrative? If so, I'm thinking of a career change.

I always checked the weather. Every single day in enormous detail. That's how I know how often the prediction is wrong.

I think you're telling a white lie Thork.

I fly as well and always check the weather (as of course all pilots will do; it kind of comes with the territory).

That's how I know how often such predictions help me to plan my routes as such predictions are generally accurate including about where and when turbulence can be expected.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 30, 2021, 10:42:12 PM »

What is a Meterologists / Climate Scientists motivation or benefit for lying about the weather?

If you are a climate scientist who does not play the 'end of the world' game, you are shown the door. It's an industry, driven by profits. And those who want the results will only pay for reports that say climate change is real. So make those or find something else to do. They don't sell accurate climate predictions. They sell doom porn. That's the industry.

Ergo, the climate change scientists that are left are the ones prepared to lie for money. Anyone honest is weeded out almost immediately.

I'm confused.

At first this thread was about weather predictions. Tom jumped in and added that predicting the weather was a scam.

You are now switching gears and talking about climate change scientists.

I think we are still on the topic of the notion that predicting weather is a scam, i.e. if a Meteorologist on the news says that the storm conditions are likely for a Tornado to develop in the next 30 minute in this specific location that they are lying and scamming us. And so I think we were talking about how predictive technology has advanced much better from the 1980's, however still not perfect.

Do you believe Meteorologists that try to forecast and predict next week's weather are liars and trying to scam us?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 30, 2021, 09:56:43 PM »

Scientists tell you lies.

All scientists are liars?

Depends on the industry. All climate scientists are liars for example. Most coronavirus scientists are liars. Some sports scientists are liars.

What is a Meterologists / Climate Scientists motivation or benefit for lying about the weather?

Do you believe that there is a Weather Forecast Conspiracy just as you believe in a Space Travel Conspiracy?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 30, 2021, 02:13:28 AM »

Living in the Gulf State regions and saying that sometime this season a hurricane will likely hit is very different than tracking the movement of a hurricane in real time and having models that help to predict where hurricanes might hit landfall and even predict windspeed to help determine severity.

It is different. And if they could do that, I'd be impressed.

"Michael Fish & the Hurricane video" from the 80's = an in-depth critical thought conclusion that weather prediction is a scam.

Got it and well done with the research.

You gave an exact example of hurricane paths being utterly predicted by science and I showed the greatest hurricane failure to predict the path in living memory. I remember seeing all the trees flattened. It was utter devastation. What example would have been better?

The shortcoming in your "critical thought" analysis is that you posted a video of a missed prediction, being a major memorable event. Yet, you aren't balancing your critical thought analysis with the hundreds and hundreds of daily weather forecasts that do predict weather to an accurate degree and I think you know that. Additionally, we know that predictive modelling isn't always 100% accurate (as you stated), although achieving 6-sigma is always the desired state. (over the years technology gets more and more advanced, however, am not so sure we will ever reach 100%). And so, you didn't state that.

It's a classic example of confirmation bias and conspiratorial thinking, where you are "biased" towards believing only what you want to believe, rejecting science and resisting any falsification of your said belief. This was you saying "I'm just being lied to over and over and told to 'trust the science'. But the science is bunk." So you seem to be suggesting that you are being lied to or being scammed by Meteorologists... what's the benefit to a Meteorologist for lying to you? Are you suggesting that there is Weather Forecast Conspiracy?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 30, 2021, 12:30:44 AM »

Living in the Gulf State regions and saying that sometime this season a hurricane will likely hit is very different than tracking the movement of a hurricane in real time and having models that help to predict where hurricanes might hit landfall and even predict windspeed to help determine severity.

It is different. And if they could do that, I'd be impressed.

"Michael Fish & the Hurricane video" from the 80's = an in-depth critical thought conclusion that weather prediction is a scam.

Got it and well done with the research.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 29, 2021, 07:05:07 PM »

Tom - declaring that forecasting the weather has always been a scam is taking conspiratorial theory thinking to a whole new level.

Have a little read of the link below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_lore
^Now, are you going to stand by your assertion that weather forecasting hasn't always been a scam?

And you know what? Those old proverbs about red sky at night or moon halos still tend to be a lot more accurate than the supercomputers.

Besides pulling down YouTube videos, do you have any direct evidence and facts that support your conspiracy theory that predicting weather is a scam?

Weather prediction is sold. Sold to militaries, sold to airlines, sold to app makers and TV stations. Its big business. And yet, they can give a shitty prediction and there is no comeback. You can't sue them. They can tell you it won't rain, and yet your wedding dress can get soaked. Tell you the sea will be calm and yet you can get caught in a storm. You can lose your life because they sold you a shitty forecast and your family can't sue them for that. Think about that. You paid them for a service. They completely fucked it up, and you don't even get a refund. That, in any other line of work ... is a scam.

Are Meteorologists now all liars and scammers that work in a coordinated fashion with each another on a daily basis to create fictitious weather predictions?

Yes. Liars who will happily take money and tell you that the world is going to end in 20 years if that's what their pay masters ask for.

To say that forecasting weather has always been a scam implies that the ability for Meteorologists to help predict and track the movement of snow-storm patterns, the movement of storms, hot and cold fronts is also a big lie and meaningless.... which it isn't.

Actually, it kind of is. Any fool can say a cloud rained over London and headed north and rained over Birmingham and the future will be that it carries on heading north and will rain over Liverpool in roughly the time it takes the wind to push that cloud north. Especially when I can add a 60% probability to cover my arse. I don't need a supercomputer for that.

I live in tornado alley in the US and can't begin to tell you the positive impact of Meteorologists coordinating closely with on-the ground fire and rescue to help predict and ready areas for possibly devastating tornado paths hitting towns.

You live in tornado alley. It is possible that in tornado season a tornado might hit your house? Wow, easy money. As a newly appointed coprologist let me be the first to tell you that it is possible that bears might shit in the woods. I take all major credit cards and paypal. You are welcome.

The same with snow-storms when I lived in Michigan. I am sure the same with Hurricanes for the many folks that live in and around the Gulf States or East Coast.

Imagine thanking science that someone can tell you during hurricane season that a hurricane that is headed your way, might be headed your way. 
Now, if they could tell you a hurricane will form and go a particular direction, not just extrapolate where one has already been and draw a line on a map, then I'd think it a service worthy of respect.

Yep, as fun as it is to shit on them for missing the odd isolated shower in their forecast that ruins your picnic, accurate forecasting has saved countless lives and trillions of dollars in property damage by providing reliable advanced warning for major events.

Accurate forecasting? Really? I live in a changeable part of the world (United Kingdom). Its not like Spain where tomorrow will be hot just like yesterday. Our weather is more changeable than anywhere else on earth. And I can tell you that my lived experience is that the weather shysters have no Thrking clue at all.

Thork,

Living in Tornado alley and saying that sometime during Tornado season a Tornado will happen somewhere in the mid-west region is very different than predicting that the right conditions are occurring for a potentially destructive Tornado to develop within the next 30 minutes and for potential tornadoes to develop and move through "these" specific towns. Such predictions have saved many lives.

Living in the Gulf State regions and saying that sometime this season a hurricane will likely hit is very different than tracking the movement of a hurricane in real time and having models that help to predict where hurricanes might hit landfall and even predict windspeed to help determine severity.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 29, 2021, 06:06:26 PM »

Tom - declaring that forecasting the weather has always been a scam is taking conspiratorial theory thinking to a whole new level. Besides pulling down YouTube videos, do you have any direct evidence and facts that support your conspiracy theory that predicting weather is a scam? Are Meteorologists now all liars and scammers that work in a coordinated fashion with each another on a daily basis to create fictitious weather predictions?

No, they aren't fictitious. They just aren't very good. The scam came in when society convinced you that we were a super-advanced civilization who could model gravity and the weather. We are not and can not. This is all described in the NOVA documentary I embedded above.

Weather can be modeled. Examples include modeling and predicting the paths of Hurricanes and the movements and paths of potentially destructive storms.

10 days ago, Meteorologists predicted record highs where I live, in the 70's where normally in the Christmas season we experience 30's and 40's. Guess what -- right now its 73 F and so they were correct.

The ability to predict weather accurately all the time is not perfect but it doesn't mean predicting weather is a scam.

Your getting quite wrapped up in conspiracies, from space travel to now weather.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Weather forecasts

« on: December 29, 2021, 03:22:07 PM »

Weather prediction has always been a scam, right up there with gravitational physics. If they can't predict three bodies what makes you think they can predict a quintillion bodies? Here is a documentary about how anything beyond the simplest Newtonian equations are unpredictable:



Three Body Problem is discussed at 9:40
Weather is discussed at 13:20

Tom - declaring that forecasting the weather has always been a scam is taking conspiratorial theory thinking to a whole new level. Besides pulling down YouTube videos, do you have any direct evidence and facts that support your conspiracy theory that predicting weather is a scam? Are Meteorologists now all liars and scammers that work in a coordinated fashion with each another on a daily basis to create fictitious weather predictions?

To say that forecasting weather has always been a scam implies that the ability for Meteorologists to help predict and track the movement of snow-storm patterns, the movement of storms, hot and cold fronts is also a big lie and meaningless.... which it isn't.

I live in tornado alley in the US and can't begin to tell you the positive impact of Meteorologists coordinating closely with on-the ground fire and rescue to help predict and ready areas for possibly devastating tornado paths hitting towns. The same with snow-storms when I lived in Michigan. I am sure the same with Hurricanes for the many folks that live in and around the Gulf States or East Coast.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat Earth maps?

« on: December 22, 2021, 04:20:15 AM »

The earth is flat as explained by God in the Bible.

Or maybe you don’t understand the Bible correctly. Given all the easily verifiable evidence which shows the earth isn’t flat.
I assume you go to church, do all the people there believe the earth is flat? If not are they all wrong?

Last I checked, any two who gather in HIS name is CHURCH. Flat earth is not a prerequisite to entering the Kingdom of Heaven. Being a satanist here would preclude you from the very narrow gates. Thanks for playing swish swish --l>>>>>>


"The Bible clearly establishes that the Earth is flat. There are hundreds of scriptures that suggest that the Earth is a stationary object and flat. According to 1 Chronicles 16:30, it states that "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable," which means that the Earth is an immobile, fixed object within space. This line of reasoning is continued with other scriptures including Psalm 93:1 which states that "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm..." and Isaiah 45:18 with "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."[1]

Although flat Earth is never explicitly stated within the Bible, the state of the Earth as a flat object can be inferred from verses such as Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king "saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth... reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds." [2] If the Earth were actually spherical, then it would be impossible to see this tree from all corners of the Earth. Because it is possible, it proves that the Earth is flat.

The flatness of the Earth is further proven due to the ability of people within the Bible to see to all edges of the Earth. Matthew 4:8 states that "Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory." Seeing all of the kingdoms in the world would be impossible unless the Earth was flat. This is further supported by Revelation 1:7 stating "Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him..." A flat Earth would allow everyone on the planet to see someone who is flying above them."

https://www.parlia.com/a/bible-says-earth-flat

If you are going to use and quote Biblical scripture as your proof of a flat earth, than I would challenge your assertions with the following:

1 Chronicles 16:30: it states that "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable".
- By "firm, immovable" what if scripture meant that the earth wasn't a gaseous mass but a solid. How do you know scripture meant an immobile stationary object vs. meant that the earth was a solid.

Daniel 4:10-11: the king "saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth... reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds."
- What if said tree had tree branches or limbs that grew in such a way that they reached out and curved around a Globe Earth. If this be the case, then it's possible that someone on the other side of the tree on a globe earth could see it's branches.

Matthew 4:8: states that "Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory."
- The word here is cosmos, which could also refer to the heavens and the stars above and not the Earth.

Revelation 1:7: stating "Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him..."
- Given EA (Electromagnetic Acceleration) / bendy light, I suspect that every eye would not be able to see him coming with the clouds, so this would not really be possible.