@AATW
There is loads of direct evidence. People routinely observe launches.
Or they did once, at least in my country. Some of those launches are real, maybe even most of them.
The ISS can be seen from the ground.
That's true, I think. Something can be seen, but it is the wrong size (WAY too big).
Technology like GPS and satellite TV demonstrably works.
True. They have no obligation to work the way we are told they do.
As well as the pictures and video there is the testimony of hundreds of astronauts who have been to space. Then there's the 7 rich private individuals who have paid to go to the ISS.
Most likely, liars all. The MIC is not your friend, it does not share, and it does not tell the truth.
And in all this time, no whistleblowers?
They iced gus and his crew and thomas baron and his whole f*ing family. You should read the wiki, or just do some thorough critical study of apollo history. There are many whistleblowers, and some notable ones - very bad things happened to.
Out of interest what are your thoughts on the Mariana Trench?
I trust the piccards! They are wonderful.
@Tumeni
Top 3 :
1: "Space" is a violation of obvious natural laws. It cannot exist in the reality we have studied and were taught about.
2: Murdered whistleblowers/dissenters
3: Faked footage
Which are ... what?
Chief among them are the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and fundamental gas laws.
There's the work and observations of thousands, perhaps millions of astronomers, cosmologists, astrophysicists, and the like, over hundreds of years.
None of which have any evidence for "outer space" whatsoever. The lying (most likely) "astronauts" are the only ones, and they don't have any evidence to share beyond doctored footage and stories that contradict one another.
Those people you mentioned are not scientists. They do not practice science. They practice mythology under the guise of science.
There are multiple third-party proofs for the Apollo lunar landings, for example.
Nope, they all come from the serially lying MIC.
There are sets of photographs taken from and of the far side of the Moon.
Art! Nasa makes art - they are a branch of hollywood. There is much to be learned from history!
@longitube
Jack, you tell us a lot about what you disbelieve, but nothing about what you know
Oh, I manage to slip it in now and again. I don't talk about belief or disbelief much - neither have any place in knowledge, least of all scientific.
I get an impression your knowledge comes from the web, rather than experience.
There is an old indian sitar master anecdote I quite like : The pupil turns to the master and says, "Master, you are so wise and your art so splendid, please be my teacher and make me a great master too!" to which the master replies ,"You are mistaken. In life, you are a student... and then you die.". I am a student, and my knowledge comes from all sources - yes including the web.
Who told them to lie in their accounts and histories about the shape of the Earth?
For the vast majority, no one. They were just taught incorrectly to begin with, then they repeated it. It isn't a lie when you're misinformed. You might want to glance at the wiki, it does a good job with "the conspiracy" and the many misconceptions you seem to have about it. It's a comedy of err's you see - it's about taking a fall.
Was he just really lucky, or did he know something you don’t?
Depending on where he was, what season, and the type of craft - yes, he was crazy lucky. There is no such thing as "round earth" navigation or "flat earth" navigation - just navigation. It is hard for the conditioned to grasp such a simple premise/tautology that if the earth is flat then all things that we observe/do occur on a flat earth.