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Re: Trump
« Reply #7500 on: December 08, 2020, 12:11:45 AM »
Unfortunately you guys are being forced to argue that black is white again.

I mean you are arguing Trump is winning an election he lost so what did you expect to happen in bizarro world?

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7501 on: December 08, 2020, 01:33:06 AM »
https://news.yahoo.com/many-georgia-republicans-put-trump-ahead-of-party-and-expect-him-to-stay-as-president-hurting-chances-senate-195855069.html

It's fun reading these man-on-the-street interviews with gullible, clueless Republicans. It's like that old segment Jaywalking from the Tonight Show. ;D
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7502 on: December 08, 2020, 01:55:01 AM »
“Ted Cruz argued nine cases in front of the Supreme Court, and won.” 5-4 guy knows his way around and will slam dunk the Trump Landslide and send Rounder packing. Penn first !


https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/cruzs-record-before-the-supreme-court/
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7503 on: December 08, 2020, 03:00:23 AM »
“Ted Cruz argued nine cases in front of the Supreme Court, and won.” 5-4 guy knows his way around and will slam dunk the Trump Landslide and send Rounder packing. Penn first !


https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/cruzs-record-before-the-supreme-court/

What does Ted Cruz have to do with any of this?

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7504 on: December 08, 2020, 03:11:41 AM »
“Ted Cruz argued nine cases in front of the Supreme Court, and won.” 5-4 guy knows his way around and will slam dunk the Trump Landslide and send Rounder packing. Penn first !


https://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/cruzs-record-before-the-supreme-court/

What does Ted Cruz have to do with any of this?

He said that if Kelly v Boockvar was heard by ACOTUS he would offer to deliver the opening arguments.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7505 on: December 08, 2020, 06:11:48 AM »
Unfortunately you guys are being forced to argue that black is white again.

I mean you are arguing Trump is winning an election he lost so what did you expect to happen in bizarro world?

You guys have been continuously backing down though, operating on your leftist faith of what you want to happen rather than rational logic based on what is happening as a whole. You claim nothing is going to happen, that no one is believing the fraud claims, and Biden is going to win, yet less than two hours ago it has escalated to a point to where the Arizona legislature just invoked a constitutional statue to give the Arizona election a contested outcome.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DemandDanielAZ/status/1336157992505335810



Wrong again. The poll workers did stop and were packing up to go. Whilst doing so poll watchers left. Some time after that they were called and told not to go home and keep working. So they did. An hour later one or more poll watchers showed back up. Simple as that.

Where does it say that a poll watcher showed up? Fantasy.

I see that you are unable to admit that the elections officials announced that they stopped the counting and would resume the next morning. You still want to pretend that people left on their own. Cope.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7506 on: December 08, 2020, 06:48:03 AM »
Unfortunately you guys are being forced to argue that black is white again.

I mean you are arguing Trump is winning an election he lost so what did you expect to happen in bizarro world?

You guys have been continuously backing down though, operating on your leftist faith of what you want to happen rather than rational logic based on what is happening as a whole. You claim nothing is going to happen, that no one is believing the fraud claims, and Biden is going to win,

I don't believe Biden is going to win because he already did.

yet less than two hours ago it has escalated to a point to where the Arizona legislature just invoked a constitutional statue to give the Arizona election a contested outcome.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DemandDanielAZ/status/1336157992505335810



So what? Someone signed a letter? What hath they 'invoked'?
Who is Daniel McCarthy? Is he supposed to mean something to someone?

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7507 on: December 08, 2020, 06:59:51 AM »
less than two hours ago it has escalated to a point to where the Arizona legislature just invoked a constitutional statue to give the Arizona election a contested outcome.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DemandDanielAZ/status/1336157992505335810



???

This is just some random guy on Twitter. Why are you citing him like he's an authority?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7508 on: December 08, 2020, 07:07:59 AM »
This is just some random guy on Twitter. Why are you citing him like he's an authority?
...because it backs up what he wants to believe. Are you new here?

I can’t believe Tom said above that people are arguing black is white when that is what he seems to spend his life doing.

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Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7509 on: December 08, 2020, 07:22:58 AM »
???

This is just some random guy on Twitter. Why are you citing him like he's an authority?

https://demanddaniel.com/about/

He's a Precinct Committeeman for the Republican Party. What do you mean random guy?

I don't believe Biden is going to win because he already did.

You want Biden to win so much that you can't see that he's trending towards losing. There has rarely been this much conflict about the results of an American election. Foolish to think it's going to reverse course.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7510 on: December 08, 2020, 07:29:24 AM »
There has rarely been this much conflict about the results of an American election.

Because there has never been a toddler in the White House before who refuses to admit he lost and is threatening to hold his breath until they let him keep being President.

So of course, his more deluded supporters who lap up everything he says no matter how demonstrably false are buying into his bullshit.

Back in the real world states are being certified and lawsuits are failing time and time again because of poor evidence.

Why did “they” rig the Presidential election and completely forget to rig the Senate one? I note you keep dodging that question.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7511 on: December 08, 2020, 07:37:52 AM »
???

This is just some random guy on Twitter. Why are you citing him like he's an authority?

https://demanddaniel.com/about/

He's a Precinct Committeeman for the Republican Party. What do you mean random guy?

Yeah, random guy. What authority does a Precinct Committeeman have over anything regarding AZ legislature?

I don't believe Biden is going to win because he already did.

You want Biden to win so much that you can't see that he's trending towards losing.

What trend are you referring to?

There has rarely been this much conflict about the results of an American election. Foolish to think it's going to reverse course.

Sure there has. Read up here:
A history of contested presidential elections, from Samuel Tilden to Al Gore
https://theconversation.com/a-history-of-contested-presidential-elections-from-samuel-tilden-to-al-gore-149414

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7512 on: December 08, 2020, 08:30:35 AM »
Unfortunately you guys are being forced to argue that black is white again.

I mean you are arguing Trump is winning an election he lost so what did you expect to happen in bizarro world?

You guys have been continuously backing down though, operating on your leftist faith of what you want to happen rather than rational logic based on what is happening as a whole. You claim nothing is going to happen, that no one is believing the fraud claims, and Biden is going to win, yet less than two hours ago it has escalated to a point to where the Arizona legislature just invoked a constitutional statue to give the Arizona election a contested outcome.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DemandDanielAZ/status/1336157992505335810



Wrong again. The poll workers did stop and were packing up to go. Whilst doing so poll watchers left. Some time after that they were called and told not to go home and keep working. So they did. An hour later one or more poll watchers showed back up. Simple as that.

Where does it say that a poll watcher showed up? Fantasy.

I see that you are unable to admit that the elections officials announced that they stopped the counting and would resume the next morning. You still want to pretend that people left on their own. Cope.

Of course he contests the election: he lost his own bid for senate.
But he has no power.  He can't invoke shit.  And if he is tweeting about a letter he signed BEFORE the legislature invoked it... Kinda premature.

Let us know when you find the actual document stating Arizona is contesting the election.


Also, article 2 section 1 does not have a clause about contested elections except in the case of a tie or if no one has a majority.
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If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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« Reply #7513 on: December 08, 2020, 10:55:41 AM »
Article 2, Section 1 gives legislature the right select and send their own electors - https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-ii/clauses/350

Pricinct Committiemen have better access to elected officials. Not a random person - https://medium.com/ballotready/precinct-committeeman-what-precinct-and-whose-committee-anyway-323e9755d5bd

"The Precinct Committee Person is a launching pad for a political career for anyone who is not already elected because it gives them access to elected officials from a respected position other than constituent."

Arizona has been on a trend to contest election. Articles from last 9 days:

Nov 30 - Arizona Lawmakers Call for Resolution to Hold Back Electoral College Votes -
https://www.theepochtimes.com/arizona-lawmakers-call-for-resolution-to-hold-back-electoral-college-votes_3599250.html

Dec 1 - Arizona State Rep Issues Call to Withhold State’s Electoral College Votes to Joe Biden Due to Significant Evidence of Fraud - https://humansarefree.com/2020/12/arizona-state-rep-issues-call-to-withhold-states-electoral-college-votes-to-joe-biden-due-to-significant-evidence-of-fraud.html

Dec 4 - Arizona Legislature Calls for Immediate ‘Forensic Audit’ of Dominion Voting Machines - https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/arizona-legislature-calls-for-immediate-forensic-audit-of-dominion-voting-machines_3605367.html?v=ul

Dec 6 - Giuliani says Arizona among a few states drafting documents to change electoral college voters - https://www.theepochtimes.com/rudy-giuliani-three-state-legislatures-may-change-electoral-college-voters_3606962.html

“They’re the first legislature to do this now,” he said of Georgia. “This is a constitutional role that the founding fathers gave to our legislatures. They’re the ones who are supposed to select the president, not the governors, not the board of elections. They’re the ones who have the constitutional obligation to decide on the electors.”

“Michigan is considering the same thing,” Giuliani said. “They’re not quite as far along, but they are drafting something right now, and so is Arizona, so those three … could very well end up in front of the legislature to decide who the electors are.”
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7514 on: December 08, 2020, 12:01:48 PM »
I think Tom's going to be the most puzzled person on the planet during Biden's inauguration.
Everything's been going so well for Trump, how could this happen?
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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« Reply #7515 on: December 08, 2020, 12:12:51 PM »
This takes apart much of the recent nonsense

Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7516 on: December 08, 2020, 12:23:58 PM »
A video of a guy who rapidly goes through a list of things, thinking that he debunks things with a single sentence. No substance.

At 2:00 - Thinks that a liberal low level district judge who was appointed by Obama has no bias and has final say on lawsuits. See: Obama Judge in Nevada Denies Trump Campaign’s Lawsuit – Ignores 20 Books Full of Evidence

At 4:30 - He claims that people weren't asked to leave the room in the Georgia incident. Doesn't address that elections officials announced the counting was stopping, and that there were media articles of those statements.

At 7:20 - He claims that Dominion and Smartmatic have no link -

From a NIST report in 2010 on p.7:

https://www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/itl/vote/2010-07-06VoterActionLetter2TGDC.pdf

"Dominion, Now the Largest or Second Largest Voting System Company, Is Foreign Controlled and Depends Upon Secret Source Code Created and Owned by Smartmatic, a Foreign Controlled Company With Ties to The Venezuelan Government Led by Hugo Chavez"

Who should I believe, some random youtube leftist, or NIST?

At 8:30 - He says that most Republicans are behind Trump, with only a small minority accepting Joe Biden's win and the rest are 'hellbent on coddling Trump'.

Lol. That means Joe Biden is more likely to lose. What a dumb shoe. Republicans and conservatives are in power in state legislatures, supreme court, senate, and will have sway on deciding the outcome of this election.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #7517 on: December 08, 2020, 12:49:14 PM »
Who should I believe, some random youtube leftist, or NIST?
Your general policy seems to be to believe anyone who backs up what you want to believe.

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At 8:30 - he says that most Republicans are behind Trump, with only a small minority accepting Joe Biden's win and the rest are 'hellbent on coddling Trump'.

Lol. That means Joe Biden is more likely to lose. What a dumb shoe. Republicans and conservatives are in power in state legislatures, supreme court, senate, and will have sway on deciding the outcome of this election.

The outcome of this election has been decided. By the voters. Trump lost bigly.
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7518 on: December 08, 2020, 01:15:47 PM »
Tom’s mistake is thinking that sound and fury signifies something. Yes there are a lot of voices bawing in to the night, but an election doesn’t become contested when someone tweets the VP that some of the AZ legislators signed a letter. There are procedures that must be followed and certainly a meeting of the legislature, which happens to not be meeting right now because they were exposed to Typhoid Rudy.

The slate of electors has already been certified according to AZ state law and according to the US Constitution the State controls that decision. This is a political move designed to create confusion and dissent among ignorant people. Similarly Texas asking for leave to sue PA, WI, GA and MI over their “unfair election laws” (many of which yielded wins for GOP candidates, but never mind) is not serious. None of this is “trending” for Trump. If fomenting such dishonest dissent wasn’t so dangerous it would be hilarious.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #7519 on: December 08, 2020, 01:22:46 PM »
Tom’s mistake is thinking that sound and fury signifies something. Yes there are a lot of voices bawing in to the night

The right is in power, FYI. It does signify something if they are complaining.

The legislatures in these states in discussion are Republican controlled. The Supreme Court leans conservative. The Senate is Republican. The President is a Republican. If you think that Republicans rallying behind Trump and calling fraud means nothing, you are kidding yourself. If they think the election was stolen then they can and will use their power to correct it.